QLD will use GPS technology to capture the location of more than a million vehicle

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by prydey

some people watch way too much tv!!

Really? You can't see any possible way this could be abused as many other laws and regulations have in the past and are right now being abused by police and authorities?

How superbly trusting of you...

[steve.zissou]

actually (tin foil hat activated), i think it is a prelude to charging rego fees by the KM's you do.

See, once every one turns into a super greenie and drives around in electric, hydrogen, moonbeam powered cars, Gov Co. will start missing out on a lot of tax revenue wont they.
So they will start charging by the KM's you do each year - thats fair right? Sure, if they charge me nothing for the 10 cars a rego that i drive one day a year.

but they wont do that. they will charge current rego (or a little bit less) and then wack every one with usage charges - of which alot will not go towards roads at all.

Can they trust us to give accurate odometer readings - no way, so they will get us to use these GPS things that they introduced for safety reasons a few years earlier.

plus youll be hit with $10000 a house hold to upgrade the electricity grid so it can handle hte increased demand from electric cars -but thats a different tin foil hat

[jpd80]

Seeing Current Affair tonight, it was clear that the Sheriffs Department was using number plate recognition
to scope car parks and wheel clamp people with outstanding infringements warrants and down the road, another
unit was set up to catch more people with more outstanding warrants, pay up now or we're taking your car.

As with most thing to do with the government, the main incentive here is to collect outstanding fines and
increase revenue but I have to wonder what becomes of serial evaders with no ability to pay huge fines,
will this result in many more people declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying and then claiming to be hardship cases.

These actions normally have unexpected consequences that public service stamp-lickers never consider..

[BENT_8]

I fail to see the issue here, apart from being QLD...again.

Police can monitor your every move via your mobile phone, all this will do is make the process quicker as they wont have to rely on 3rd party input(Telco) to gather the evidence.

Unless im mistaken, it was this technology which assisted police in catching the murderer of Jill Meagher recently.
Im led to believe that all mobile signals in that vicinity were tracked via Telco records to see who the possible assailants were and where they went soon after.

If you have nothing to hide there is nothing to fear.

[kiwiinaus]

the real issue in the future will be cross overs of differing legislation. in particular the anti association laws (so called bikie laws but they don't actually mention bikies) where by they can then link you to others whom you may just happen to be in the same vicinity as for a totally different reason but you have absolutly no recourse as the police do not have to divulge their motives under this foul piece of legislation.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by kiwiinaus

the real issue in the future will be cross overs of differing legislation. in particular the anti association laws (so called bikie laws but they don't actually mention bikies) where by they can then link you to others whom you may just happen to be in the same vicinity as for a totally different reason but you have absolutly no recourse as the police do not have to divulge their motives under this foul piece of legislation.

You joined up to say that.

Is that u Flappy...

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Seeing Current Affair tonight, it was clear that the Sheriffs Department was using number plate recognition
to scope car parks and wheel clamp people with outstanding infringements warrants and down the road, another
unit was set up to catch more people with more outstanding warrants, pay up now or we're taking your car.

As with most thing to do with the government, the main incentive here is to collect outstanding fines and
increase revenue but I have to wonder what becomes of serial evaders with no ability to pay huge fines,
will this result in many more people declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying and then claiming to be hardship cases.

These actions normally have unexpected consequences that public service stamp-lickers never consider..

They most likely are aware of the future potentialities but are too busy telling us "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about"

The "public service stamp-lickers" are durable and can outlast many of their political "masters"

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by xtremerus

The 'I've got nothing to hide' mob can have a group hug.

Don't forget the group hug!

[BHDOGS]

going after people to pay there fines for breaking the law outrageous where will it end whats next making people responsible for there own actions where will the madness end oh woah is me a current affair enough said

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

going after people to pay there fines for breaking the law outrageous where will it end whats next making people responsible for there own actions where will the madness end oh woah is me a current affair enough said

While I understand that it's necessary to force people to pay their fines, performing basically a "stick up"
is not going to achieve much beyond impounding a lot of vehicles, filing for bankruptcy because they cannot pay the amount.

In the end I can see this adding to government costs rather than recovering the vast sums anticipated..
It's my opinion that governments should not allow fines to escalate to the levels they do, without earlier intervention.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by jpd80

While I understand that it's necessary to force people to pay their fines, performing basically a "stick up"
is not going to achieve much beyond impounding a lot of vehicles, filing for bankruptcy because they cannot pay the amount.

In the end I can see this adding to government costs rather than recovering the vast sums anticipated..
It's my opinion that governments should not allow fines to escalate to the levels they do, without earlier intervention.

All good and well, but what about when one considers that most of these fines have been issued not because someone was causing someone else harm or loss, but because said legislative instrument was designed as a pure cash grab? We as a nation need to look at the legitimacy of the system as a whole and not just focus on one aspect.

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by burnz

number plate check here, number plate check their.
here's your fine buddy, covered the distance to quickly.

they do it with trucks already with speeding and logbook fines,
"safety cam" my a*$

[tweeked]

To the nothing to hide brigade, I get your point, as I have nothing to hide. But I want to go about my business without an overbearing, constant eye on me. We are not there yet, (too much loss of privacy) but with the way technology is moving, we could go beyond what a free society should accept very quickly.

So enough of your belittling comments of conspiracy and tin foil hats, it is a legitimate concern for the future.

So for those who think concern about this is silly, where should it end? When is enough enough? I am interested where you all stand on that?

We can outlaw clothes in the end, all walk around naked with nothing to hide, nowhere to conceal a gun (comfortably!). Is it before that, or after?????

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by tweeked

To the nothing to hide brigade, I get your point, as I have nothing to hide. But I want to go about my business without an overbearing, constant eye on me. We are not there yet, (too much loss of privacy) but with the way technology is moving, we could go beyond what a free society should accept very quickly.

So enough of your belittling comments of conspiracy and tin foil hats, it is a legitimate concern for the future.

So for those who think concern about this is silly, where should it end? When is enough enough? I am interested where you all stand on that?

We can outlaw clothes in the end, all walk around naked with nothing to hide, nowhere to conceal a gun (comfortably!). Is it before that, or after?????

Its only a legitimate concern for those who consider it in day to day life.

Ask yourself how many motorists there are on QLD roads and then work out how often you personally will be affected by the new legislation.

I would think that current RBT's would cause more regular interference and I can count the number of RBT's ive been pulled over at on one hand in 20 years of driving.

Slightly OT, but...

People always complain about being treated with suspicion by the police, but considering normal motorists outnumber police by a long way, it is only those who stick their head out who get pulled over.
There just aint enough cops to pull everyone over for the sake of it.

Recently a mate got pulled over for suspected drug/drink driving.
He had swerved slightly whilst reaching behind to give his son a bottle.

he was tested and then defected for too loud and too low, to which he protested.
Well, he drives a Black VX Berlina international, lowered, with a modified V8 and dark window tint in the Salisbury/Elizabeth are, what do you expect.
It is a magnet for coppers.

Now, im sure someone will say 'but I should be able to drive what I want without fear'
That may be true, but if you chose to stick your head out, expect to get noticed.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by tezxr8man

they do it with trucks already with speeding and logbook fines,

its a good thing the majority of posters in this thread aren't in the truck industry. they'd go mental with all the extra scrutiny.

point to point camera's, speed limiters, gps tracking, data logging, restrictions on driving hours, log books, extra scrutiny by media etc etc etc

imagine if everything truck drivers have to deal with, got introduced to car drivers. most on here would have a meltdown it would seem.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by prydey

its a good thing the majority of posters in this thread aren't in the truck industry. they'd go mental with all the extra scrutiny.

point to point camera's, speed limiters, gps tracking, data logging, restrictions on driving hours, log books, extra scrutiny by media etc etc etc

imagine if everything truck drivers have to deal with, got introduced to car drivers. most on here would have a meltdown it would seem.

maybe a lot of drivers left the industry because it's become a mugs game.

[steve.zissou]

btw - I am sure govt cars would be exempt (police, politicians etc)

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by burnz

maybe a lot of drivers left the industry because it's become a mugs game.

Not me, i'd go back to it in a heart beat if circumstance and opportunity was present.
These things are no different to SOP's on a shop floor, they are implemented to prevent drivers from being overworked and therefore a hazard to themselves and those around them on the road and for security reasons.

Its ironic that this would be brought up as these things are PREVENTITIVE measures.
So too are safety cameras and speed camera's.

Without them our roads would descend into anarchy, much like the transport industry would without its tight guidelines.

Its easy to claim that cameras don't save lives, because they are used and the road toll is X, without them the road toll could be...

[burnz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Not me, i'd go back to it in a heart beat if circumstance and opportunity was present.
These things are no different to SOP's on a shop floor, they are implemented to prevent drivers from being overworked and therefore a hazard to themselves and those around them on the road and for security reasons.

Its ironic that this would be brought up as these things are PREVENTITIVE measures.
So too are safety cameras and speed camera's.

Without them our roads would descend into anarchy, much like the transport industry would without its tight guidelines.

Its easy to claim that cameras don't save lives, because they are used and the road toll is X, without them the road toll could be...

in the 80's, overnighting it was fun.
not boring like today sterile expressways. you actually had to think.

cat and mouse game with the law, your radar detector vs their radar guns.

beating the scale's with heavy loads, having two licences and log books.

ya cant even have a joke with the coppers anymore, it's all business now not like before.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by burnz

in the 80's, overnighting it was fun.
not boring like today sterile expressways. you actually had to think.

cat and mouse game with the law, your radar detector vs their radar guns.

beating the scale's with heavy loads, having two licences and log books.

ya cant even have a joke with the coppers anymore, it's all business now not like before.

Agreed, care to show the difference between the number of road users then to now?

Its a completely different world with completely different guidelines, and so it should be.