Police Shoot Student With Stun Gun And Arrested For Asking Question (ON YOUTUBE)

[Bent8]

Yep...it's called living in a "Police State"...and what you see in that video will eventually be standard practise here aswell until people wakeup and realise that we live in a world run by very rich gangsters...

I really wonder how far they can go with this Big Brother communist style attitude??...

Those cops should go and re-read the US Constitution that they swore an oath on, especially the 1st Amendment...

I read somewhere that John Kerry and George W are cousins...who would have thought.

[metalmania]

Yes that is correct, John Kerry and George Bush are distant cousins both come from generations of wealthy families.

[Kommandant]

Heh Love his squeeling

[jaydee]

He had his say but then kept on, so he was asked to leave, wouldn't, so they started to escort him away by taking hold of his arms, then he starts jumping up and down and around, is this being compliant, no.

Then the big black dude gets hold of him and gets him up the back and then he lunges forward taking the big black guy with him.
Then he gets tazered, why should those guys get into a punch up with him.
Then he'd be like the rest of the cry babys on here about Police brutalilty and be on TV with a bloody nose. This way he's subdued, no one gets hurt and DH gets he just desserts and taken away and he's all OK.

This is why they give cops tazers and batons so they don't have to fight them risk personal injury or get sued by some scum sucking lawyer.
Lawyers and crims, they go hand in hand, it's just hard to tell the difference until one puts on a wig.

I'm all for democracy but not violent protesters or protesters who fail to obey a lawful command and then blame the cops for moving in and doing their job.

[fmc351]

Finished with the soapbox?

Originally Posted by sourbastard

His age is irrelevant
The venue is irrelevant
his views are irrelevant
Quite right, his views are irrelevant, lets keep it that way shall we. His views arent why he was tasered, he resisted his lawful removal from premises, followed by resisting arrest. 2nd, you brought up age, so according to you earlier, it was relevant when he was a teenager, now he's of legal age, its irrelevant. Let me know when You make your mind up. He wasnt meant to be in there in the first place, however they humoured him. He failed to see his boundaries, and paid the price for it.
I can write an SOP that makes it legal for an officer to shove a live hampster up someones *** if he resists arrest, but it doesnt make it right nor just.
Nice straw man, about as useful as a peni5 flavoured lollipop though.
Lets put this simply, crowd controllers at concerts deal with more dangerous individuals than this dude, 4 cops cant control this hysterical fool without a tazer? Please.
How many people have suffered injury or death as a result of 'crowd controllers'? Meh, traffic controllers with attitude. This guy got zapped, no broken bones, no death, no coma, nothing. Sometimes the taser is for the benefit of the apprehended, not the police.
ANZAC spirit has sweet feck all to do with anything. This is about indivuduals, not nations. The people in this country are becomming sheep.
True, so lets not act as if this event leads to a loss of ability to protest peacefully. Or that we need revolution.
Dont break the rules, dont run on the grass. Bend over and be tazed at regular intervals.

So you advocate breaking rules? Which rules are they? Who decides which rules to break?

Rape, its just surprise sex.
Car theft, its borrowed and redistributed, thanks for your contribution.

Just remember you wont be the only one making up rules as you go.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

100% agree.

If what the guy had done had warranted being tazered I'd have no problems with it. What did he actually do wrong? Why was he under arrest?
He was asked to leave. That request was lawful and reasonable. This is not about free speech, what he did was plain and simple disruption. Free speech is organising your own event and speaking at that. He wasnt arrested for the question he asked, he was merely asked to leave an event he was not party to in the first instance. He refused to obey that lawful command, so they began to escort him out, as they should. He fought back, he resisted, at that point simply leaving is not an option, nor should it be. Thats why he was arrested, yet he still kept going, now he gets tasered and arrested. Often tasering isnt simply for the benefit of the police, but the apprehended. Physical scuffles lead to injuries like broken bones or worse. Tasering is best done when the person is on the ground, it prevent injury from dropping like the proverbial sack and hitting their head. The idea that he was down prevents the need for tasering is shallow and ill founded. It actually serves to demonstrate they wanted to prevent injury.
Even not being of the law enforcement profession, I can make the judgement that it was uncalled for as I have my own eyes to see for myself!

Does anyone even read threads?

The speaker was who? John Kerry. The man gets security. The guy being arrested was not in the building during the speech. He busted in, cops are going to react to that.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Same here. I must admit I was a tad taken back by the number of posts here baying for blood. Perhaps they might see things differently if they are ever on the recieving end of police brutality.
Were they real cops?? Are university cops real cops? Or are they academy drop outs..... ? That might answer alot of questions.

Those who would trade security for freedom deserve neither - Thomas Jefferson. I agree with that statement, however it shouldnt be taken to its extreme. As any Police force will limit absolute freedom, in favour of say, personal safety of kids from kiddie fiddlers.

I dont believe thats what happened here, and jumping on every event like its some sort of evidence of eroded freedoms only serves to make people pointing out real issues sound like conspiracist nutters.

[Falc'man]

Why would he get arrested if the speaker himself didn't mind the question?

Maybe John winked at the cops but pretended to carry on like that he didn't mind?

Maybe someone else took offence to the question and directed the cops to arrest him?

Whats the purpose of allowing people to ask questions if at the same time you won't allow them to ask what they want to ask?

Why do politicians need every thing to be staged?
Why can't they take a bit scrutiny? And does everything that incriminates a politician have to be a conspiracy theory? They are the biggest criminals imo... too many cowards that don't stand up to them.

[sfr rob]

Originally Posted by aye you

@ BOSMAN, our boys have now got stun guns, well in the NT they do, i seen them use one the other night on a drunk long grasser who was beating up his missus, dropped him like a sack o' from a good 10m. the boys then casually strolled up and cuffed him, better that shooting the bugger

Man, ANY bloke that beats his woman should be shot on the spot, no 2 ways about it.
Stun guns are good to "stun" a crim so the cops can chuck some cuffs on him, but a bullet between the eyes is a guarantee he & people he is close to wont do it again, imagine if we lived in a country like it was 20-30 years ago in Europe. :

[Bent8]

To add to that they now have protest zones in the US which are deliberately placed too far from the main events so they are completely ineffective...

Another trick they pull is planting agent provocateurs in peaceful protests who start getting violent which is then broadcast on the nightly news to give them a bad name...

I also heard that Bush signed in a Presidential Directive allowing him to declare martial law whenever he feels like it without approval from Congress, he's basically a dictator now...

[Bosman]

As a proud Aussie I absolutely think people should have the right to protest. But when people think they can break rules while protesting and think its ok.....wrong! Unfortunately our police have to deal with these (extremists) that DO break the law in their protesting manner. (APEC,CHOGM any heads of government meeting). And i know if i was a cop on the front line and someone chucked a balloon full of p1ss at me, you'd seriously WANT me to have a taser and NOT a gun! Simply put if you break the rules you should pay the price. I reckon HIT HIM AGAIN!!! He He

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by onfire

Kerry was going to answer his questions.. so why the need to do any of this, humour the kid, then let him leave with sour look on his face.

So he offered to leave, after the option had expired.. still he was going to walk, still this isnt a gunman shooting off rounds, he's a 21 year old kid with a bit of a mouth. Still no reason to taser the kid, US media is going to have field day over this.

He is in the right age bracket

He has the right attitude



I have sat on allot more people for less

[fmc351]

So much for it being a legit 'PROTEST'.

Webspace spam is what it was

[ebxr8240]

Now I know how to discipline my kids when they act like that???
Oh yea!!!!
Why didn't thy just grab him and take him outside???
Two of those guys could have eaten him for lunch...
Now he's going to get 1000 times more exposure...
I think he's an apprentice journalist??
I suspect he's had some calls from lawyers...
Walkinshaw .. I see you like them uncrutched and young....

[S3SR]

what i made of it was he was told to leave or something from the cops (my speakers arent real loud...bloody vista)

anyways then when they tried to remove him, he kept resisting and using force (fair enough on his behalf), then he started to make a scene instead of just hearing them and probably not being allowed back in, at the top of the stairs or back of the room is where he used alot of force and kept carrying on, the police warned him to co operate he refused, only choice was tazzer him (if i was the cop i prob would have as well)

if 3 or 4 or 5 cops can not hold someone back without using force then the stun gun or tazzer was appropriate in my books but i dont know enough of what was happening, or even who john kerry is?

EDIT: from what i have learnt in psychology and criminology its what you do at the CURRENT time, not with what just happened.. the problem escalated into a situation where they needed to control it, they used what was in there power... ok maybe the tazzer was a little over the top, but would someone just shut him up

[andrewts]

Originally Posted by fmc351

So much for it being a legit 'PROTEST'.

Webspace spam is what it was

So he was just out to make another "look at me I am a hero" video for his website, and it was all a bung-on act. Well I am gald in a sense that they tased him, he deserved it, but at the same time he got what he wanted, a whole lot of attention. Well it wouldn't have been quite so funny if his punishments were more serious.

[VIBEBA]

Cause & Effect

Cause
He is a dumbass asking a stupid question and not complying with police

Effect
A severe surge of electrical current through body

[fmc351]

The clip in the OP is shortened, actually he asked a legit question first, he asked Kerry why he never contested the ?Iowa? (cant remember which state) election results in '04. But he kept going, he tried to steal the floor, and had a friend there to film it, for publicity. He overstepped his mark, and was rightly asked to leave. You can see him try to run at the back of the room, you can see people starting to get up, and heading towards the back, the female officer has to leave the original disturbance and blocks them. It could easily be seen as time to end it.


Another angle.

[VIBEBA]

i agree the first question was legit but honestly the second question was a bit pathetic thats what i was getting at i mean who the hell was he trying to impress anyway in the clip you can here people ****ing themselves with laughter when he gets the taser

owwwieee owwieeee

suprised he wasn't calling

Mommy mommy instead what a tool..

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Finished with the soapbox?

So you advocate breaking rules? Which rules are they? Who decides which rules to break?

Rape, its just surprise sex.
Car theft, its borrowed and redistributed, thanks for your contribution.

Just remember you wont be the only one making up rules as you go.

I called him a teenager as a descriptive term. I could have called him hysterical retard, would you try and pull me up for that too?

He wasnt meant to be there in the first place? Its a question answer for a political candidate. He had every right to be there, every right to pose a question. Kerry even said as he was being arrested that he would answer the question. Of course he didnt want to leave, his question was being answered FFS.

He failed to see the boundaries? Bollocks. The cops got impatient and created a situation that ended in violence. After all, cant be seen to be soft on borderline criminal acts of annoyance infront of a Democrat!

Only thing pen1s flavoured so far is your argument.

How many people have suffered injury and death from crowd controllers? Ill answer this question with a question. How many people die in police custody in western countries? You want to question safety records chum? Go right ahead.

By the way, Tasers are weapons that can cause death. They arent toys that just cause a bit of pain then people come along nice like. People die every year after being tased during arrest. My father has a congenital heart defect, he can excercise safely, he can go running and exert himself physically. Were he ever tased by some triggerman in a blue suit however, he would be dead. Not, a bit sore. Not in a coma. Effing DEAD. Conductive energy weapons shouldnt be used, just cause someone wants to feel safe. Like any other weapon, they should be used when life is in danger. NOT as a restraint.

As for crap like this limiting peoples right to protest, use your bloody head. Its bolted onto your shoulders for a reason.

If someone gets arrested & tased(instead of just being taken out of the hall which could have easily occured) for essentially asking an awkward if stupid question at a legitimate political rally, do you seriously think this sort of tactic would not be used if police felt threatened at a protest? Protests arent just attended by university students. Many professionals and entire families(Kids) attend. Ill even point out the stupidity that occured at APEC against reporters by police! Not even protesters! Bloody reporters! Get your head out of your ! Excessive violence in one arrest impacts all other situations of similar ilk.

Any time excessive force is used and then justified and rationalized do you seriously think it has no impact on the next situation? We rationalize a little more, then a little more. and slowly theres nothing left. BS, it should be dealt with now, not then when its too late.

Think about it. When did someone get given the right, to electrocute you and possibly kill you, because you struggled or didnt follow instruction? I know a bloke who was charged with resisting arrest because when told to get on the ground he got on his hands and knees. Apparently he should have been tased, maybe twice! that'll teach him to interpret instructions incorrectly!!

And yes, I do advocate the breaking of rules when required. And dont be so bloody precocious with your stupid rape parrallel.

Slavery was enshrined in law.
It was against the law for an african american to enter a whites only store.
It was against the law to teach an african american to read.

Acorrding to your line of argument we probably shouldnt question that, and just assume slavery is ok. Want to argue extremes? Be my guest.

Yes, sometimes its bloody obvious when to break the rules. And dont preach to me that you have never broken the law in response. Never speed, never spit on the sidewalk, never parked where you shouldnt, never jay walked. Any of those can end in arrest, and if the cops decide you are resisting, im sure you will be wearing a tshirt that says "Im fine, Tase me all you want."

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Or, instead, pretend everything is ok, cause the gummint and that thar policemin said its ok.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by fmc351

So much for it being a legit 'PROTEST'.

Webspace spam is what it was

Obviously the cops and senator Kerry were aware of his website, being frequent visitors? I'm betting not, this doesnt change the situation one bit.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

I called him a teenager as a descriptive term. I could have called him hysterical retard, would you try and pull me up for that too?
Nope, its what he is. Descriptive of what? His age is relevant, he was 21, and want them to treat him as if he was 3 and wetnurse him.
He wasnt meant to be there in the first place? Its a question answer for a political candidate. He had every right to be there, every right to pose a question. Kerry even said as he was being arrested that he would answer the question. Of course he didnt want to leave, his question was being answered FFS.
According to the media releases, he pushed his to the front of the question and answer queue. He was attempting to showboat his own website. That is definite now. But go ahead, defend his right to disrupt for personal gain.
He failed to see the boundaries? Bollocks. The cops got impatient and created a situation that ended in violence. After all, cant be seen to be soft on borderline criminal acts of annoyance infront of a Democrat!
Ask a question and move on. Dont set up a scene for recording and posting on his website. You put on a show like that, you deserve to be tasered. But agin, go on defending his right to disrupt an event, not intended for his marketing desires
Only thing pen1s flavoured so far is your argument.
If you brush your teeth, youll get the taste of his out of your mouth.
How many people have suffered injury and death from crowd controllers? Ill answer this question with a question. How many people die in police custody in western countries? You want to question safety records chum? Go right ahead.
How about answering with an answer? How many hang em selves, cause and effect. Just because someone dies in the cells, doesnt make it the cops fault. youre an idiot if you think otherwise. How about you give me the numbers of those attributed to police brutality.
By the way, Tasers are weapons that can cause death. They arent toys that just cause a bit of pain then people come along nice like. People die every year after being tased during arrest.
Police Report says: Student says you guys didnt do anything wrong.

Tasers are weapons, and not classed as harmless, they less than lethal. But if you want to ignore the fact most people do not require tasering, its people going off that require it. Those people are often under the influence of narcotics and the like, many of the deaths associated with tasers by the media, are medically found be the result of drugs. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good story. If you have a heart condition, just a small amount of personal responsibility should suggest you dont act the goat when police ask you to move on. Its not hard.

My father has a congenital heart defect, he can excercise safely, he can go running and exert himself physically. Were he ever tased by some triggerman in a blue suit however, he would be dead. Not, a bit sore. Not in a coma. Effing DEAD. Conductive energy weapons shouldnt be used, just cause someone wants to feel safe. Like any other weapon, they should be used when life is in danger. NOT as a restraint.
If life is in danger due to the actions of another, gun is required. But you seem to think others should assume risk for the reckless. So long as its you assuming the risk, and not my family in the wrong place.
As for crap like this limiting peoples right to protest, use your bloody head. Its bolted onto your shoulders for a reason.
He was allowed to ask the question. he wouldnt shut up, he wanted to stage an outcome, for his websitre. He got what he deserved.
If someone gets arrested & tased(instead of just being taken out of the hall which could have easily occured) for essentially asking an awkward if stupid question at a legitimate political rally, do you seriously think this sort of tactic would not be used if police felt threatened at a protest? Protests arent just attended by university students. Many professionals and entire families(Kids) attend. Ill even point out the stupidity that occured at APEC against reporters by police! Not even protesters! Bloody reporters! Get your head out of your ! Excessive violence in one arrest impacts all other situations of similar ilk.
Kids, I was one of em, I come from a long line of political poo stirrers, I grew up in it. He was asked to leave because well, watch the last clip I posted too. He went overboard, for his website, not genuine debate, or within the confines of the event. You acan hear Kerry, and the Police ask him to allow the question to be answered. he replies with rot about, hes sat and listened to Kerry for a while, its his turn now. They asked him to leave, he refused, he faught, he resisted, they ascorted him, he kept up the show, tried to run at teh back of the room, other guests are getting up and following, its escalating. Time to stop it, and no harm was done. But hey, keep going Henny Penny, the sky just might be falling.
Any time excessive force is used and then justified and rationalized do you seriously think it has no impact on the next situation? We rationalize a little more, then a little more. and slowly theres nothing left. BS, it should be dealt with now, not then when its too late.
There was an event similar in a libray not that long ago, maybe a year, I agreed then the force was excessive. There was no need, the victim wasnt given the chance. This time, I dont agree.
Think about it. When did someone get given the right, to electrocute you and possibly kill you, because you struggled or didnt follow instruction? I know a bloke who was charged with resisting arrest because when told to get on the ground he got on his hands and knees. Apparently he should have been tased, maybe twice! that'll teach him to interpret instructions incorrectly!!
When they took the oath to serve and protect, and I undertook to challenge them unlawfully. id prefer that to pepper spray, or a baton, or being physically restrained and have ribs broken etc. Im smart enough not to resist. If I have an issue with the lawfulness of the command, I know the appropriate arena for that dispute. Its not on the spot.

And yes, I do advocate the breaking of rules when required. And dont be so bloody precocious with your stupid rape parrallel.
When you can tell me the guideline for that 'organised anarchy', Ill see your point. Until then, you might want to think a little deeper, because you WONT be the only one breaking the rules, and your limits wont be the same as theirs. Cronulla, and the following days ring any bells? Thats why we have laws.
Slavery was enshrined in law.
It was against the law for an african american to enter a whites only store.
It was against the law to teach an african american to read.

Acorrding to your line of argument we probably shouldnt question that, and just assume slavery is ok. Want to argue extremes? Be my guest.
Have you got an issue with peaceful protest, I've been to many. One thing Ive never done, is resist arrest. Dont assume Ive never protested. When enough people share a view, politicians listen. Its democracy.
Yes, sometimes its bloody obvious when to break the rules. And dont preach to me that you have never broken the law in response. Never speed, never spit on the sidewalk, never parked where you shouldnt, never jay walked. Any of those can end in arrest, and if the cops decide you are resisting, im sure you will be wearing a tshirt that says "Im fine, Tase me all you want."
[color=red]Cops will just decide Im resisting? Im polite, friendly and courteous. Im not screaming get the f&^% off me, flailing my arms. He wasnt misjudged, he was a twit.[./color]
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Or, instead, pretend everything is ok, cause the gummint and that thar policemin said its ok.

Yeah yeah. The price of living in a society is rules and boundaries. Its not all fight fight, pens, not swords. Your rights stop at the next persons nose, how many of these little quips you want? Competing rights? My right to speed, your right to drive safe? My right to loud music when it suits me, your right to sleep and peace. Competing rights, limits.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Obviously the cops and senator Kerry were aware of his website, being frequent visitors? I'm betting not, this doesnt change the situation one bit.

Neither was I, but I know an agitator when i see one. Clearly, the cops did too.

[XCSEDAN]

well, those cops can consider their jobs gone.
he said he was willing to walk out....

im kinda surprised no other students jumped in, i would have thought they'd have more guts then that.

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Neither was I, but I know an agitator when i see one. Clearly, the cops did too.

So that makes them judge and jury ... The guy is a dick head but they went about it wrong...

[VIBEBA]

Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

well, those cops can consider their jobs gone.
he said he was willing to walk out....

I doubt it over this little punk i think there jobs are safe besides stacy coon didnt lose his job when he and a few other police beat the s*it out of rodney king in los angeles many years back...

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

So that makes them judge and jury ... The guy is a dick head but they went about it wrong...

Police are decision makers when you receive a fine. They are when they arrest anyone. This is no different. They have the power, always have had, to arrest people using whatever means they deem necessary, under the guidelines of executing that duty, tempered by the particular situation.

Suggesting they arent judge and jury in this situation demonstrates the limited grasp of the legal system most people have. What do you think they do when they arrest someone? Get a judge to approve a warrant first? No, they arrest you, charge you, and a court determines your guilt. You are still taken into custody, and the taser was employed to reduce harm to the apprehended, a physical restraint has more potential for harm, and the inevitable lawsuit that follows, and bring a quick end to an escalating situation.

I doubt the officers will receive any meaningful penalty, and if any, it will be purely an exercise in public relations. They warned him to stop or he would be tasered, he didnt stop. Student were heading towards the scene, it could easily get out of hand. The Police need to act then, not 10 minutes later, not after reviewing video footage. They showed tolerance for all but 90% of the clips. People need to learn not to push to far, and there is a time and a place.


People are just in a flap over the terrorism clamp down mentality. Just because an event ends badly, does not make it an example of an over-reaction. This one was not IMO. I for one agree freedoms are being eroded. Taking up every thing that comes along as a sign of the apocalypse hardly serves to gain any credibility for that assertion. I still believe in law and order.

[VIBEBA]

Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

well, those cops can consider their jobs gone.
he said he was willing to walk out....

Yeah he said he would walk out but only when the taser was brought out before that he was happy to dick the police around and resist them.. He missed the opportunity to walk out the police first tried to remove him and he refused therefore the police took further action maybe heavy handed maybe not but when you see what the police worlwide have to go through in a way i don't blame them... Sadly we are becoming a society that will sue at the drop of a hat for any minor thing these police will probably get sued for brutality but they will more than likley get off because when you look at it the guy had police following him into the room because he wasn't supposed to be there in the first place....

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Police are decision makers when you receive a fine. They are when they arrest anyone. This is no different. They have the power, always have had, to arrest people using whatever means they deem necessary, under the guidelines of executing that duty, tempered by the particular situation.

Suggesting they arent judge and jury in this situation demonstrates the limited grasp of the legal system most people have. What do you think they do when they arrest someone? Get a judge to approve a warrant first? No, they arrest you, charge you, and a court determines your guilt. You are still taken into custody, and the taser was employed to reduce harm to the apprehended, a physical restraint has more potential for harm, and the inevitable lawsuit that follows, and bring a quick end to an escalating situation.

I doubt the officers will receive any meaningful penalty, and if any, it will be purely an exercise in public relations. They warned him to stop or he would be tasered, he didnt stop. Student were heading towards the scene, it could easily get out of hand. The Police need to act then, not 10 minutes later, not after reviewing video footage. They showed tolerance for all but 90% of the clips. People need to learn not to push to far, and there is a time and a place.


People are just in a flap over the terrorism clamp down mentality. Just because an event ends badly, does not make it an example of an over-reaction. This one was not IMO. I for one agree freedoms are being eroded. Taking up every thing that comes along as a sign of the apocalypse hardly serves to gain any credibility for that assertion. I still believe in law and order.

Possibly be thrown out of court ?????
I remember way back some Police decided to punch the cr4p out of a black guy....They got what they deserved....

[BA_Turbs]

It looked liek he was making a p***k of himself so they dealt with it. Fairly simple really.