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06-05-2020, 01:11 PM | #61 | |||
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If the poor performance was such an issue you could have forgone any tax incentive and gone the FGX. Ye-ol Hiace has rear drums too. https://www.carsguide.com.au/tradies...6-petrol-77838 At the end of the day they sell like hotcakes and do the job, no need for OEM to push until regs or the marketplace dictates too.
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Until you own one I think its easy to bag them, but its hard to argue their practicality. Id love a 6 seater but that pushes into big $$. Would not ever need anything else from a daily. And you would be surprised what a Hilux can do around bends, ask the mining community on the last day of your roster and your home bound. Im surprised VW hasnt made a plusher option pack. This Hyundai may bridge the gap for a daily practical ute for those who dont really go off road.
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06-05-2020, 07:23 PM | #64 | ||||
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USDM Ford Ranger Long Story: The Thailand specials just need a few changes and I'd embrace them, let's put pen to paper and we'll design the FSV Thailand Special Franco Special Vehicles Model Designation TS001 Engine(s): 4 cylinder GDI turbo engine with minimum 185KW/420NM utilising twin scroll turbocharger technology V6 turbo diesel 185KW/650NM optional Transmission: 6sp or greater torque converter automatic 6sp manual optional Suspension: Independent front and rear suspension with coil springs Solid axle rear suspension with heavy duty leaf springs optional Steering: EPAS rack and pinion Brakes: Vacuum assisted 4 wheel disc brakes Drivetrain: 4x2 with mechanical LSD 4x4 with front and rear mechanical LSD optional Body size: Standard Thailand Special specifications available in single cab, tub or tray or dual cab tub or tray. Payload: 600KG for IRS 4x2 and 4x4 IRS variant tub or tray. 1250KG for solid rear axle leaf spring single cab tray variants, similar for 4x4 variants. Tyres: SUV specification highway tyres on 18" wheels for 600KG payload variant, LCV 16" wheel and tyre package for 1250KG variant. Electrical: 120A alternator on GDI-T engine 160A alternator on V6TD engine Electric trailer braking integrated into vehicle electrical system Minor options packages (available on any specification vehicle): Electrical Package: Programmable power distribution module with CAN integration and auxiliary switching capabilities 220A Alternator Auxiliary battery Trade Pack: SAE J845/Class 1 amber LED beacons LED work lamps Various toolbox configurations via partnership through local specialists Includes electrical options pack TS001 Vehicle Option Packages: Offroad Pack: AT 4X4 wheel and tyre package (MT tyres no cost option) Steel bash plates Foam cell shock absorbers Heavy duty suspension and steering components Suspension lift +50mm Electronic locking differentials for front and rear Only available in 4x4 IRS and diesel engine. Wog Pack: 20" wheels and low profile tyre package Brembo front and rear braking package Shorter final drive ratio 30mm lower than standard specifications Short travel shock absorbers Large front mount intercooler Redesigned intake Larger exhaust Engine recalibration to 235KW/500NM Transmission recalibration to firm up shifts Only available as 4x2 IRS and GDI-T engine on single or dual cab variant with tub Quote:
A business purchase where I made sure my warehouse manager had the most powerful new vehicle available in the budget I was allocated. I could have saved the business a few thousand bucks and put him in a 2.7L Hilux Workmate or a povvo spec 4x2 manual Mitsubishi Triton. Also - I avoid driving said Colorado where possible, if I do not require to transport pallets, I take our VF Commodore or our Hyundai IX35 company cars with the new Colorado last. Notice my own personal vehicles currently consist of: Modified turbo diesel Focus Modified V8 Holden Caprice I've also previously owned a GMC Sierra 3500 and an F100 - so yes I will drive utes. Just not ones that come with tiny wheezy diesel engines that won't move out of their own way. Which brings me to my next point, what is the sales breakdown of purchases of the top 10 selling vehicles of 2018 by ABN holders and private purchases. That will determine how popular Thailand specials are when you take away tax incentives. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 06-05-2020 at 07:40 PM. |
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All that Franco plus 100mm extra in the width.
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06-05-2020, 07:39 PM | #66 | |||
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This thread is reminding me of whirlpool.
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Also modern prime movers have disc brakes - including Kenworth, they have Meritor DX195 brake calipers on them if you ever need to buy a set of pads for one There's disc brake trailers about too. The big difference between American utes and Thailand specials is the American ones are bigger, faster and they ride better. Personally as far as commercial vehicles go, I like vans over utes. By vans I mean new V6 Hiace, Transit Custom and MWB mid roof Mercedes Sprinter Quote:
Notice they don't have Toyota badges on the vans though. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 06-05-2020 at 08:18 PM. |
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06-05-2020, 09:03 PM | #69 | |||
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06-05-2020, 09:10 PM | #70 | |||
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In that spec, mid wheel base and mid roof, they're about the same price as a high spec Thailand special but it has things like air suspension seats and captains chairs. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 06-05-2020 at 09:16 PM. |
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07-05-2020, 08:49 AM | #71 | |||
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Manufacturers and the market will work to the regs, so will consumers for their own benefit; so I am not sure what the issue is other than a biased opinion and the performance conditionals of a DC (even if thats not the design intent). Raptor fills that void but its not going to ever sell in big numbers and thats why it has very little competition. The way your going on about Asian topics lately I would have sworn you were MethodX.
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07-05-2020, 11:47 AM | #72 | |||
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07-05-2020, 11:53 AM | #73 | |||
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The Average Joe and corporate fleet manager is happy with mediocrity - as a car enthusiast I am not. In my 'professional' life I live by continuous improvement principles, how can we make something better? I am continually disappointed by attitudes where 'that's the way we have always done it'. Hence why I have no love for body on frame utes with drum brakes and 4 cylinder diesel engines, it's lazy and it's the automotive equivalent for 'thats the way we have always done it' They're the automotive equivalent of a fork and knife. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 07-05-2020 at 12:10 PM. |
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07-05-2020, 05:23 PM | #76 | ||
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By the time Hyundai's lux division (Genesis) unloads there new GX80 and G80 on our market - people may start to change their tune about Korean cars.
It's like they feel they have to absolutely have the best car at that price point to overcome all the old negative brand press. Hell - even people like Franco might even think that the GX80 might be as good as a Terri |
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12-05-2020, 06:41 PM | #77 | ||
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Lols.
Hyundai ute is going to flop. Monocoque design dual cab. Honda and subaru tried it in the US and was a flop. Why would hyundai bother? https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...he-bare-metal/
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12-05-2020, 06:49 PM | #78 | |||
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12-05-2020, 06:54 PM | #79 | |||
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It'll cost 'em a few sales I reckon.. How Many Dual cabs do you see with the Tub Removed , & an aftermarket Tray, or service body Fitted..??? |
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12-05-2020, 08:49 PM | #81 | ||
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Plenty, but that does not mean there isn’t space for it or that it will be a flop.
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13-05-2020, 09:31 AM | #83 | |||
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Utility vehicle is what they are...for people to do all sorts of sh*t with and they do it well, sure you cant get 4m lengths of timber in the back or have the torque of a dodge ram But if you want to buzz here and there picking up bits and pieces with the dog in the back and run on the smell of an oily rag perfect (try that bit in your dodgy ram$$$) I` dont get your beef about the drum brakes....theyre pretty big drums and i think part of the reason for them is you can have a realy good parkbrake and you need that with their tow rating , try and hold 4 tonne on an incline with the ****y little shoe brakes inside discs?....as for the truck discs , trucks have air spring brakes that clamp the service brakes on for the park brake totally different set up .....the drums on the utes would be the best allround set up and the most cost effective my 2cworth
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Poodog, agreed.
I didn't bother responding Franco on my previous post for he has his pov and others have opposite. Nothing is perfect, I don't care my dual cab hilux doesn't steer or brake as good as a Falcon Ute nor care about a Ram etc......I'd like a bit more powa but I can live with what it is. My ute overall has been so damn practical its not funny, from family hols on beachs/tracks to work needs to picking up most items I need from Bunnings etcetc..... I have 2 other Falcons to cover my spirited driving needs.
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13-05-2020, 10:04 AM | #85 | ||
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Rear drums are there simply due to Thailand tax laws.
Theres a reason why US Rangers and the Amorak have discs, because they aren't made in Thailand. American pickups all have rear discs and their park brakes are all fine for holding alot more towing weight
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This thread to me kinda highlights why Hyundai might be reluctant at this stage to bring the smaller dual cab here - at least before the proper one arrives.
The amount of people that haven't been able to clearly establish here and also on car websites that there are two very different utes in the pipeline for Hyundai is surprising - and perhaps Hyundai might be a little worried that if they bring the smaller ute to the market first it might damage the brand before the proper ute gets here to build its own reputation first.
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I merely pointed out They will (In my Opinion) lose a few sales due to the inability to be able to fit either a Tray or Service Body. Not everyone Likes Prefers or needs a Tub & Canopy.. |
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Theyre not perfect but as said you cant have everything
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