VFACTS April 2024

[jpd80]

Please don’t laugh at me but does anyone have Mach E sales for last month?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The argument for diesel has always been the torque, but modern turbo engines do that too. As for the 2.2 I have, that torque is only available at 1800 revs and nowhere else, it's got nothing up to that point, nothing after it. So its sh.t to drive, noisy when you need to rev it out and painfully slow everywhere, downright dangerous in some situations. The engine in that vehicle lets the whole show down, I'm otherwise very happy with the thing.

Apparently the above is what customers want.

Currently, the base model XLs come with a single turbo 125 Kw version of the 2.0 diesel.
It has a 6-speed auto which is affordable, well proven technology and sufficient for fleets.

Here’s the thing,
Ever since Australians jumped to diesels to get better fuel economy, the oil companies
have permanently jacked up diesel prices at the pump to the point where you have to wonder
whether the added up front cost, higher maintenance costs and emissions issues are worth it
when perhaps a lower cost Ecoboost 2.3 petrol engine may be a better fit….

As a retail buyer in another segment, I normally purchase a basic petrol engine over a turbo diesel.
Sure, it doesn’t have a lot of poke but they are normally super reliable and cheap to service.
Every time I go to Costco and fuel up for $1.90, I look at diesel nearly 30 or 40 cents dearer
and see the savings each time I fill up. I can imagine people with petrol tradie Utes think the same…

And guys, I get that the V6 diesel is a runaway success in Ranger and Everest
but that success seems to have thrown a lot of shade on the 2.0 diesel so
perhaps offering a 2.3 EB or even the 2.7 EB V6 are possible alternatives for
Ford to consider but they would want to be darned sure that’s what customers want
and not just a few on the internet advocating something nice to see.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Please don’t laugh at me but does anyone have Mach E sales for last month?

Wasn't it 1. I remember commenting on the lonely sale.

EDIT.....Scratch that, month before that.

Last month 56 E and 3 gas.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Wasn't it 1. I remember commenting on the lonely sale.

EDIT.....Scratch that, month before that.

Last month 56 E and 3 gas.

LOL, thanks for trying Rockwiz.

What happened to Prado, I don’t see it on the sales chart.
I’m just curious because Everest was supposed to be going after it….

Never mind, I see new model dropping next month…

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by oldel

'cos he wanted one for $4k, anything more than that was drug money.

Absolutely, a bag is around $300 and these people think their rusty XG Falcon is worth $10K

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 29
Ford Everest – 2400
Ford F-150 – 173
Ford Fiesta – 0
Ford Focus – 0
Ford Mustang – 1
Ford Mustang Mach-E – 42
Ford Puma – 77
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 480
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 5089
Ford Transit Bus – 4
Ford Transit Custom – 253
Ford Transit Heavy – 100
Ford Total – 8648

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Mustang Mach-E – 42
Ford Puma – 77

lol

In before all the 'stock issue' comments - they don't seem to have issue getting stock of the cars they actually want to sell

[Rastas]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Is sales decline the reason why Tesla isn't reporting their monthly figures any longer?

Their reps just got back from the Beijing 2024 Auto Show and are currently deciding to chuck in the towel or pray for Mega Tarrifs or outright Bans !

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Currently, the base model XLs come with a single turbo 125 Kw version of the 2.0 diesel.
It has a 6-speed auto which is affordable, well proven technology and sufficient for fleets.

Here’s the thing,
Ever since Australians jumped to diesels to get better fuel economy, the oil companies
have permanently jacked up diesel prices at the pump to the point where you have to wonder
whether the added up front cost, higher maintenance costs and emissions issues are worth it
when perhaps a lower cost Ecoboost 2.3 petrol engine may be a better fit….

As a retail buyer in another segment, I normally purchase a basic petrol engine over a turbo diesel.
Sure, it doesn’t have a lot of poke but they are normally super reliable and cheap to service.
Every time I go to Costco and fuel up for $1.90, I look at diesel nearly 30 or 40 cents dearer
and see the savings each time I fill up. I can imagine people with petrol tradie Utes think the same…

And guys, I get that the V6 diesel is a runaway success in Ranger and Everest
but that success seems to have thrown a lot of shade on the 2.0 diesel so
perhaps offering a 2.3 EB or even the 2.7 EB V6 are possible alternatives for
Ford to consider but they would want to be darned sure that’s what customers want
and not just a few on the internet advocating something nice to see.

Somewhat curious to try out the 2L diesel, as the 2.2L in the PX is a downright turd with how it drives.

If they sorted it's horrid driving characteristics it would be tolerable - hate driving our work PX.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Somewhat curious to try out the 2L diesel, as the 2.2L in the PX is a downright turd with how it drives.

If they sorted its horrid driving characteristics it would be tolerable - hate driving our work PX.

yes, you would have to try it and feel the difference for yourself.

The old 2.2 diesel was around 118 kw/385nm
The 2.0 single turbo diesel is 125 kw/405nm
The 2.0 biturbo diesel is 157 kw/500nm but only available in XLT and up.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

yes, you would have to try it and feel the difference for yourself.

The old 2.2 diesel was around 118 kw/385nm
The 2.0 single turbo diesel is 125 kw/405nm
The 2.0 biturbo diesel is 157 kw/500nm but only available in XLT and up.

It's not the power and torque figures of the PX that's the problem, it's how it drives.

It's nothing until 1800 RPM

Then nothing over 1800 RPM

The way I manage it is get on the brakes and stall it up if I need it to react to throttle inputs, like turning right across Sydney Rd.

It's absolutely shitful to drive, the calibration on it is woeful, maybe it's an emissions thing to get it to pass testing because it's ridiculous.

We're either at or exceeding GVM in it, so it's heavily loaded up with a service body + equipment.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Mustang – 1
Ford Mustang Mach-E – 42

Mach E outsold its ICE cousin. Substantially. Surprised we haven't seen that as a headline

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's not the power and torque figures of the PX that's the problem, it's how it drives.

It's nothing until 1800 RPM

Then nothing over 1800 RPM

The way I manage it is get on the brakes and stall it up if I need it to react to throttle inputs, like turning right across Sydney Rd.

It's absolutely shitful to drive, the calibration on it is woeful, maybe it's an emissions thing to get it to pass testing because it's ridiculous.

We're either at or exceeding GVM in it, so it's heavily loaded up with a service body + equipment.

If it's anything like the 2017 Transit Custom 96kW/385Nm 2.0L diesel they have a hair trigger throttle...too sensitive imho (our one is an auto)
Transit Custom model upgrade later changed to the 125kW tune.

[XR Martin]

I used to enjoy fanging the old Transit 2.4 TD, felt like they had heaps of poke. (375nm verson)

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

yes, you would have to try it and feel the difference for yourself.

The old 2.2 diesel was around 118 kw/385nm
The 2.0 single turbo diesel is 125 kw/405nm
The 2.0 biturbo diesel is 157 kw/500nm but only available in XLT and up.

Bi Turbo is available across the range in 4x4.



Single cab Bi Turbos haul with no load

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

If it's anything like the 2017 Transit Custom 96kW/385Nm 2.0L diesel they have a hair trigger throttle...too sensitive imho (our one is an auto)
Transit Custom model upgrade later changed to the 125kW tune.

That's exactly what Ford Europe's cars drive like - that's what I like, it reads your mind the moment you touch the pedal, that's why I hate Hyundai's throttle mapping, give me that hair trigger throttle mapping any day.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Should I need a new replacement for the Thailux the current front runner is the Hilux Workmate, the 2.7L unleaded job.

However the $7000 price rise on them from $26K DA to $33K DA is a bit rich.

2.7 is unbustable. Kind of fun to fang around commercial areas to the mine site. Sometimes a car is best in it's most simple form.

FWIW I would set aside a $1 for every $1 I put in the diesel HJ60, for all up everything costs which were higher than my petrol work cars. And that particular diesel has a rep of being very robust and simple compared to the modern ones.

Hybrid petrols of things like Hilux and Prado will be very interesting, if they can keep the full 4x4 ability.

[XR Martin]

US Ranger is getting the regular 2.7 Ecoboost, 245kw/535nm.
If only for here. Maybe VW will instead
Amorak R perhaps

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's exactly what Ford Europe's cars drive like - that's what I like, it reads your mind the moment you touch the pedal, that's why I hate Hyundai's throttle mapping, give me that hair trigger throttle mapping any day.

Their trucks don't (Scania being the exception) maybe Volvo? .....try a MAN ( I've figured out what MAN stands for ....many alterations needed

Our 640hp (drives like a 540) comes to a complete stop empty going around a roundabout with a B train behind it ...........................................w hile you wait for the throttle to return

[kevino]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Their trucks don't (Scania being the exception) maybe Volvo? .....try a MAN ( I've figured out what MAN stands for ....many alterations needed

Our 640hp (drives like a 540) comes to a complete stop empty going around a roundabout with a B train behind it ...........................................w hile you wait for the throttle to return

How do you put up with it? Do the brake lights come on or you risk Arty Aotearoa in his 1988 jap import crashing into, the back of it?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by kevino

How do you put up with it? Do the brake lights come on or you risk Arty Aotearoa in his 1988 jap import crashing into, the back of it?

It's just the resistance of dragging two tri sets of duals around a roundabout as you throttle off into it .....I guess they don't design them to go around silly little roundabouts in Europe?

[kevino]

Don’t how you do it.
Do you cart fuel around Auckland
Geez be a nightmare

[PooDog]

Bay of plenty, central nth island ,Taranaki and Gisborne is about as far as we go , no Auckland thankfully

[oldel]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Absolutely, a bag is around $300 and these people think their rusty XG Falcon is worth $10K

Nah, I thought you were after a 1 tonner BF/FG for next to nothing.
I've got a shitty BA XLS one tonner that was a ford owned vehicle, bought from geelong with a tray. Problem is that the previous owner put a tub on it!
Also the previous manufacturer did a shit paint job on it! (shockwave). Because of all it's issues it only has 145k kms on it.

If they aren't worth anything then I'm not spending 4k on a good tray or 2k on a cab only DIY paint job I guess.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Bay of plenty, central nth island ,Taranaki and Gisborne is about as far as we go , no Auckland thankfully

Thats ok. Just all those tight corners on the open road with the tourists coming the other way over the centreline then but still better than Auck

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Should I need a new replacement for the Thailux the current front runner is the Hilux Workmate, the 2.7L unleaded job.

However the $7000 price rise on them from $26K DA to $33K DA is a bit rich.

Did they end up adding a sixth gear and intermittent wipers?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Did they end up adding a sixth gear and intermittent wipers?

Still 5sp manual, it's pretty lame using a 5sp box in this day and age.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Still 5sp manual, it's pretty lame using a 5sp box in this day and age.

Is it the only unleaded "ute" on the market (Raptor excepted of course)? Because if it is, I would take it over all its competition, bar-of-soap handling and all.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Is it the only unleaded "ute" on the market (Raptor excepted of course)? Because if it is, I would take it over all its competition, bar-of-soap handling and all.

You have the Amarok with the 2.3 ecoboost

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by kypez

You have the Amarok with the 2.3 ecoboost

Well then, why doesn't Ford offer it? Do they think we're addicted to low loooow redlines, fuel that's extortionately expensive and powerbands thinner than J.Lo's waist?