FPV confirms new V8 for 2010 - Page 3

phillyc · 26-08-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GTGTP

Umm - you mean like the GS300 plate that is also SOLD!

GS300 was a Lexus...

platinumXR · 26-08-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleid=65129

How predictable.

Such a shame.

Mr X · 26-08-2009, 08:46 PM

Ford's V8 gets smaller and Holden's V8 gets bigger-yea we all know which one will be more efficient, but I had a Holden guy say to me recently-"6.2 litres -you wish"

Bring on the blower

FlipXW · 26-08-2009, 09:03 PM

2010 351 GT

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platinumXR · 26-08-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr X

Ford's V8 gets smaller and Holden's V8 gets bigger-yea we all know which one will be more efficient, but I had a Holden guy say to me recently-"6.2 litres -you wish"

Bring on the blower

+1

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Noddy · 26-08-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TS50

Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons
I have heard a rumour that V8's will not be available in the Falcon range, only in the FPV range
Maybe this is the reason to release the FPV GS???
The GS to replace XR8????
Now someone more in the know, may know more than me, but it could be true??? maybe

There's an article in the latest AMC that suggests the Ford V8 is dead in 2010 and it will be FPV option only. Its the first i've heard of it.

Wretched · 26-08-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TS50

Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons
I have heard a rumour that V8's will not be available in the Falcon range, only in the FPV range
Maybe this is the reason to release the FPV GS???
The GS to replace XR8????
Now someone more in the know, may know more than me, but it could be true??? maybe

Another brilliant move by Ford :togo:
Way to confuse the buying public once again.
The XR series Falcons have a following, why ruin that?

Sam · 26-08-2009, 09:51 PM

My head is starting to hurt in here, i'm buying a new V8 (XR8) when its released next year, at the moment it appears the FPV GS may be my only option, although i was certain that it was announced that only 250 would be made. Have i missed something as to what would replace both models after the XR8 is gone and the 250 FPV GS models are gone??

R-Design · 26-08-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Sinclair

FPV will be Falcon-only in the wake of Focus fallout
Ford Performance Vehicles (FPV) will build "fast Falcons" only -- for the foreseeable future. That's the outcome of Ford Australia's decision to drop local production plans for the Focus and the topsy turvy nature of the Australian dollar.

FPV boss Rod Barrett confirmed yesterday that the Ford hot haus would focus on Falcons exclusively, in the wake of the Focus axing.

"We're building fast Falcons. We've noted our specialty," the FPV MD said.

"If the mothership doesn't produce the mother car, we have got very little opportunity to make a locally-produced [performance] Focus now. That was always our waiting game.

"We don't do imports -- they are price-prohibitive for our business case and when the decision was made that the Focus wouldn't be made at Broadmeadows that effectively ended the FPV Focus," he lamented.

Barrett also confirms FPV would not revisit Territory, stating: "We didn't have plans to go into an F6X at the new [updated] Territory."

Of the now discontinued F6X, the FPV boss said: "We had a great car. The F6X was a very good car but unfortunately it didn't appeal to the market…"

According to Barrett, FPV had not reached the point of building its business plan around the Focus, or indeed any non-Falcon product.

"We hadn't really opened discussions with Ford on the [local] Focus. It was really a decision that was coming -- once the decision had been made whether Focus was in or out [of local production]. It hadn't come in [to our firm planning] so the business plan didn't change at all -- it was still down the Falcon line."

While Barrett would not comment, Carsales Network believes that in preparation for the new Focus, FPV was, however, well down the track to securing around 200 units of the stove-hot Focus RS for the Australian market.

Built by Ford Europe's FPV equivalent, Team RS, the three-door Focus RS features a 224kW version of the same five-cylinder engine fitted to the Focus XR5, as well as significant chassis upgrades

Discussion took place with TeamRS boss Jost Capito and agreement was gained for the RS to wear FPV badging. A local price of "under $60,000" was the target.

Last year's collapse of the Aussie dollar killed the project, however. Though the currency has recovered to a level to again facilitate the importation of the cars, "The window of opportunity has closed," our source stated.

Barrett is nonetheless upbeat about FPV's future as a Falcon-only operation. He says the company will sell around 1975 units this year -- three per cent down on 2008's total of 2035 cars and within cooee of FPV's record 2007 mark of 2144 cars.

"FPV is about 200 units down on the same time last year but we don't think that's too bad, given the shape the industry is in," Barrett told the Carsales Network.

"We're heading for a pretty good year under the circumstances. We're tracking to be about 60 units down over 2008 -- about 3 per cent.

"When you consider the industry's tracking a lot worse than that and also the large sedan segment is travelling a lot worse than that, we're quite happy to be targeting a figure of just under 2000 units again in 2009," he opined.

"I'd have loved to do 2500 cars this year and then 3000 and 3500, but it's just not the economy we're working in.

"I think it's been a better year than I envisaged. If you had said to me at the end of March-April that we would do close to 2000 cars this year I would have jumped for joy," the FPV boss stated.

http://carpoint.com.au/news/2009/lar...-for-now-16413

CarPoints jumped on now.

Wretched · 26-08-2009, 10:07 PM

The RS would have been the pick.
If only, oh well, thanks Ford/FPV, you just saved me shelling out 60k

4Vman · 26-08-2009, 10:12 PM

I don't think you need to be a marketing genius to work out a FPV focus would have been a hopeless failure.....

Wretched · 26-08-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I don't think you need to be a marketing genius to work out a FPV focus would have been a hopeless failure.....

I certainly wouldn't have bought one if developed by FPV. It would have been either the RS or nothing, this point in time, nothing.

snappy · 26-08-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

I certainly wouldn't have bought one if developed by FPV. It would have been either the RS or nothing, this point in time, nothing.

get a evo for the coin they would of asked for the rs it would of been outgunned . An it still a fwd drive car. No loss imo but it sure looks great

4Vman · 26-08-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

I certainly wouldn't have bought one if developed by FPV. It would have been either the RS or nothing, this point in time, nothing.

The problem isnt FPV.. its the donar vehicle.... its missing atleast 2 cylinders for starters and RWD...

snappy · 26-08-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The problem isnt FPV.. its the donar vehicle.... its missing atleast 2 cylinders for starters and RWD...

3 i believe isn't it a 5 clyinder ?

4Vman · 26-08-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

3 i believe isn't it a 5 clyinder ?

who knows, HSV couldnt sell a hot Astra, what hope would FPV have selling a "hot" small car?

snappy · 26-08-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

who knows, HSV couldnt sell a hot Astra, what hope would FPV have selling a "hot" small car?

I would not have a clue , If it was a the same price as a golf gti it may sell well expecially in the cities were there are some cashed up kids are .
personally i just cant get past the fact it a fwd .
Fwd + lots of power = fail

Bossxr8 · 26-08-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

I would not have a clue , If it was a the same price as a golf gti it may sell well expecially in the cities were there are some cashed up kids are .
personally i just cant get past the fact it a fwd .
Fwd + lots of power = fail

Clarkson called the RS epic. He absolutely loved it.

Its supposed to be one of the best handling FWD cars ever made. Of course it would have been better if it was RWD but they have tuned it well enough for it not to be a hindrance.

Falc'man · 26-08-2009, 11:17 PM

If FPV don't bring it in, does it mean Ford won't?

I agree with Wretched, leave the Ford badges on it.

snappy · 26-08-2009, 11:21 PM

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Its supposed to be one of the best handling FWD cars ever made.

That like saying he is the smartest person with down syndrome .

An quite shore clarkson did prove that the revonuckle does not quite work still had plenty of torque steer . Just being fwd tells me it was built for a budget not built for passion.

burnz · 26-08-2009, 11:36 PM

bring back the escort and the gemini.
RWD 4 bangers.

Wretched · 26-08-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

That like saying he is the smartest person with down syndrome .

An quite shore clarkson did prove that the revonuckle does not quite work still had plenty of torque steer . Just being fwd tells me it was built for a budget not built for passion.

I am sure the RS Focus would pretty much own a bargearse Falcon around a track or anything with corners. Clarkson's test was like any other he does. It doesn't prove anything and what he says isn't gospel. Take a look at the numerous other reviews on youtube, i.e. fifth gear and the one with the RS vs 135i vs STi (or EVO I can't remember). All of them agree the RS is one heck of a car.

But then I am wasting my time replying to you when you said it best with this.

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Originally Posted by snappy84

I would not have a clue , If it was a the same price as a golf gti it may sell well expecially in the cities were there are some cashed up kids are .
personally i just cant get past the fact it a fwd .
Fwd + lots of power = fail

You do realise the XR5T is priced similar to the GTi Golf?
Cashed up kids?

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You might want to do some research into who buys these cars, not the kids you think.

Auslandau · 26-08-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

who knows, HSV couldnt sell a hot Astra, what hope would FPV have selling a "hot" small car?

'Hot Astra' ... bit like saying 'Hot Icecream' .... just doesnt work!

Will be patiently waiting to see what they come up with (FPV). Have finished the lease on the BA and now just waiting ........ nearly an FG but the thought of an S/C is just way too tempting!

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Falc'man · 27-08-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

I am sure the RS Focus would pretty much own a bargearse Falcon around a track or anything with corners.

On the twisties the Nissan GTR had trouble shaking the RS Focus off.

snappy · 27-08-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

I am sure the RS Focus would pretty much own a bargearse Falcon around a track or anything with corners. Clarkson's test was like any other he does. It doesn't prove anything and what he says isn't gospel. Take a look at the numerous other reviews on youtube, i.e. fifth gear and the one with the RS vs 135i vs STi (or EVO I can't remember). All of them agree the RS is one heck of a car.

But then I am wasting my time replying to you when you said it best with this.

You do realise the XR5T is priced similar to the GTi Golf?
Cashed up kids? :
You might want to do some research into who buys these cars, not the kids you think.

I do realise there the same price bracket i just dont think the xr5 comes near it for fit,finish ,styling i thought the rs might do better against it . An settle down i also thought a riced up fwd car would appeal to kids . I can allready picture it with neons and rear end full with sub woofers.

An if its for a track car there a handful of cars that would smoke it for the price bracket.

**Polyal** · 27-08-2009, 12:21 AM

Pretty disappointing seeing pure ignorance from some DM's over the RS; or is that Barratts Army who think the falcon is the only way to go? To bag the RS is to not have a clue what its about or what it can do.

Im glad FPV are not touching it, they would only d|ck it up and all they would need to do is slap badges on it.

Hopefuly its not a lost cause and Ford could bring it in on their own, of course its not going to be a huge money spinner or high volume model; but it would do alot more for the brands perception than outright sales would ever achieve.

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

On the twisties the Nissan GTR had trouble shaking the RS Focus off.

Is that top gear footage?

Windsor220 · 27-08-2009, 12:30 AM

Didnt the RS beat the GT(not Falcon) on some Euro track?

Falc'man · 27-08-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Is that top gear footage?

No, Autocar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZL8uPemi3k&feature=fvst

**russellw** · 27-08-2009, 12:41 AM

It probably won't matter what FPV actually do as they have a fine history of mediocrity and warming over the same common theme.

Not that there's anything wrong with that as a business model - it's proven to be reasonably successful over the last few years and will no doubt continue to be so given the low expectations of their target audience.

FoA obviously have the option of looking at the Focus options as an image leader for the model as a whole and could probably do so at price levels that weren't too frightening and at least they aren't scared to take a punt every now and then.

As far as the future of the V8 is concerned it will be interesting to see which of the rumours currently gaining momentum actually holds sway and thus whether the V8 equipped models end up being shared between FoA and FPV or become FPV only product line.

Cheers
Russ

**CAT600** · 27-08-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Didnt the RS beat the GT(not Falcon) on some Euro track?

It's remotely possible that the RS beat the FGT supercar around a matchbox track.

Now go wash your mouth out and never speak of this again

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Daniel