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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Only 100kw to push a reasonably large SUV = FAIL!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Melb
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didn't the sheetmetal thickness change at some stage...
I used to stand on the kingswood bonnet and the old ford bonnet without them buckling when I was younger. I'd feel a lot safer in one of those tanks anyday! airbag .. shmairbag ..
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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I work at a Great Wall/Nissan dealership and have driven them all plenty of times. As far as I'm concerned they're all varying degrees of rubbish. The V240 would have to be the pick of the bunch though. But that's not something to brag about. Think Hyundai in the early 90's and that's where Great Wall stand.
Yes they have Mitsubishi running gear but they're gutless as all hell, have a woeful turning circle and a pathetic gearbox. But by far the worst of the Great Wall lineup would have to be the SA220. I'm only a little guy being 5'5" and weigh in at 55kg and even the front bucket seats are too small for me. The leather doesn't look like leather and our demo is only 8000k's old yet all the colour is coming off the leather. The stereo looks like it cost $2 at a reject shop and the gearbox is akin to driving a non synchro road ranger. The only reason you'd buy one of these is because of price. They are garbage pure and simple. |
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Peter Car
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
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How much money will you save when you have to throw the thing away soon after the warranty expires. Long term durability will be non existant.
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2006 4x4 diesel crew cab Ssangyong musso $28,000, trade in value now $9,800 = $18,200 loss 2006 4x4 diesel crew cab Toyota hilux SR $40,500, trade in value now $23,500 = $17,000 loss Like i said you pay more upfront and if your financing you'll pay more interest but i know which one i'd rather be driving for the 4 years. I'd also imagine the runnig costs on the hilux would be less than the musso once out of warranty. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Geelong
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im pretty keen to see how they go, might get one in a year or so everything under the thing is rodeo/colorado so parts wont be too hard to find. ive been looking on a couple of 4by sites and some of the guys with them have put rodeo lift kits, rodeo canopies, rodeo rims and offroad tyres, they all love them...say the 4wd system works well and has a borg warner transfer case....high and low range work well and can crawl well it seems the only issue anyone has is them being underpowered..... that said its got the mitsubishi 4g69 without mivec, i think its a 4g69/4g64 hybrid and theres heaps of aftermarket stuff for those....... same engine was used in one of the earlier outlanders and havent read of issues with those only time will tell but i dont think they'll be as bad as the neysayers say aparently the front is production pieces from the VW Magellan concept.......not copies of, but the actual pieces.....right down to the headlights having VW/AUDi Germany stamped on them! http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen...ellan_concept/ Last edited by LUXO_8; 05-06-2010 at 11:41 AM. |
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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i think i'd rather the car crumple in to a heap to absorb the impact and the occupant being able to survive. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Geelong
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one of the fellas off one of the 4by sites mentioned he saw it on his own truck, so just going off that.
EDIT - obviously if its correct, it'd still be moulded in china (perhaps they got the moulds from VW from a stillborn project) im in no way saying those parts are made in europe id like to check one out only closest dealership is ballarat or melbourne. Last edited by LUXO_8; 05-06-2010 at 03:13 PM. |
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Late model Chevy vs 1950s one.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Only the X240 has 4 stars, the SA220 and V240 only achieved 2 star ratings. Comparing apples for apples, a current vehicle that can only achieved a 2 star rating is nothing more than $24,000 worth of rubbish, especially when you look at ANCAP's page for the SA220 and the very first thing you read under 'Risk Notes' is 'High Risk of life-threatening injury in offset test'. ANCAP Great Wall link: http://www.ancap.com.au/results/sear...anufacturer=47 ANCAP SA220 link: http://www.ancap.com.au/results/337/ |
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I would say your right although the indicators are slightly different |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Brisbane
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Anyone interested in these should have a read of this, good little build thread:
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Due to our greed in the West, we now get the Chinese to make virtually everything in our lives. I can't see why they won't be making our cars in the future.
I'd have a chinese car over an Indian one. PS Now I'm thinking about Chinese takeaway......mmmmmm.
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I'm thinking that all these new cars from other countries are going to come with special additions to them to distinguish themselves from the others. IE: all chines cars have the speedo and other dials going from right to left like their newspapers. The indian taxi cars all have mandatory air fresheners built into the aircon units. sorry for sterotyping, it's one of my hobbies!
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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for families who want a suv but not the price if $40k they are ideal.. Many would keep them for a while not sell them next year and expect a decent trade-in. Hell my dads 2002 VX Calais was traded in and the dealer only offered him 7-8k (low 112,000kms).
As for tradies who just want a ute to get the job done they are ideal aswell, no point owning a maloo ute if your a brickie or a plasterer when you will be forever cleaning it and worried about dents etc etc
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Sorry, but allowing these cheap things into the country is a bad thing for those who work at ford, holden or to a lesser extent toyota.
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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I agree.
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They aren't good, there great, NOT!
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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Regardless of what anyone thinks of these things, the Chinese will change the auto industry forever - and not just with the cars they build themselves. Cars from over the world will be, and are now, built to cater for the Chinese market.
Angus Mackenzie wrote about this in his column in the July Motor Trend. From that article; Last year, 13.6 million new cars and trucks were sold in China, "relegating the USA to the number two slot on global automotive sales for the first time in 100 years." "The US will never again be the worlds largest and most important automobile market. Ever." "Conventional wisdom among most analysts is the Chinese will be buying 30 million new vehicles a year by 2020" "Chinas importance and influence is going to change what we all drive" I could go on quoting - it was an interesting article, but the point is every maker around the world will want a piece of that pie and will design their cars accordingly. I realise all this isn't strictly relevant to the OP, but as has been mentioned, the way we think of Chinese makes now is not dissimilar to the way people thought of Japanese makes decades ago, and more recently Korean makes. Laugh at the Chinese now, but they're just getting started! |
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yeah, yeah, next you'll tell me the US will have a black president one day too ...pft.
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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I really don't know you guys are so worried about cars being designed for the Chinese market.
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lol looks like a car out of my childs story book^^^
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As a consumer, it is good to see more competition which may mean lower prices.
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I reckon that the chineseare doing what the japs and the koreans have done world wide.
Dump cheap nasty cars on us initially, refine them as they up prices, specs etc, and become a world supplier of cheaper cars.The japs and koreans are starting to look over their shoulders at the chinese with a lot of unease.
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