Fog / Driving Lights and the Cops - Page 3

RED_EL_XR8 · 22-04-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Oval Mopar Man

Thats fine and dandy red_el_xr8 if you lights are on and aimed right! Sweet ! But be assured if your coming my way and your lights are irritating me , you'll get the same back and you wont like it one bit ! About 800 watts worth of irritating !

Trust me , Im a gynocologist! :the_finge

I dont think you'll have a problem with mine. I take a pride in having it setup right and a pride in showing consideration for other drivers but I may lapse for the odd rude driver.

**Full Noise** · 22-04-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by XKALBR

Is that what you have on the side and top of your truck

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No. The lights on the top and side of the truck are clearance lights that comply with ADR 13 and actually serve a useful purpose.

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

And no a fog lamp does not have to be coloured to be effective, with all due respect I think the people at Ford, Bosch, Hella etc may have done just a bit of research before fitting these lamps. And with all the ADRs there isn't too much manufacturers in this country can fit just because it may look cool.

Whaaat, if there not coloured, and if they don’t spread the beam horizontally they are not fog lights. Do you know the difference between a fog light and a spot light?
I think you’ll find that Holden and Ford actually call them road lights or running lights, not fog lights. And just for your information Ford actually had a problem with the road lights on the BA Fairmont. They had to be recalled because they didn’t meet the ADR requirements, a lot of research done there.

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

maybe if they had supplimentary lights on you may have seen them.

: Obviously you didn’t read my post correctly. I saw him, this bloke pulled out in front of me and I t-boned him.

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Cheers, Danny

RED_EL_XR8 · 22-04-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

No. The lights on the top and side of the truck are clearance lights that comply with ADR 13 and actually serve a useful purpose.

Do the shiny mermaids on the mudflaps serve a purpose too?

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Whaaat, if there not coloured, and if they don’t spread the beam horizontally they are not fog lights. Do you know the difference between a fog light and a spot light?

Yeah I know the difference, so does Ford, Bosch, Hella etc. They'll be keen to know their fog lamps aren't fog lamps at all because they are not coloured.

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

I think you’ll find that Holden and Ford actually call them road lights or running lights, not fog lights. And just for your information Ford actually had a problem with the road lights on the BA Fairmont. They had to be recalled because they didn’t meet the ADR requirements, a lot of research done there.

Looking in the handy BA XR 03 manual um lets see, fog lamps.... fog lamp switch..... nope nothing under road lamps, must be one of them urban myths

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

: Obviously you didn’t read my post correctly. I saw him, this bloke pulled out in front of me and I t-boned him.

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Well there is something to be proud of. Yes I read your post, and your t-bone tale, what exactly did that have to do with fog lamps or police infringements for fog lamps?

**Full Noise** · 22-04-2005, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Do the shiny mermaids on the mudflaps serve a purpose too?

They make it go faster and improve fuel economy by 12.5%

RED_EL_XR8 · 22-04-2005, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

They make it go faster and improve fuel economy by 12.5%

Night Danny! One of your better ones. LOL :hihi:

BA Bakes · 22-04-2005, 11:25 AM

Seems i have stirred the pot there. I think we're getting a little off track now fellas.

I find the lights very handy on country roads and in rain or fog. Their are a few ****ers out their with super bright bulbs that dont have them adjusted correct that stuff things up for the rest of us who do the right thing. The standard bulbs in the XR fog lights are only 55W. The same as the low beam bulbs. So if these fog lights, which are mounted lower and aimed lower blind you, i don't think you should be driving at night. I refering to the XR ones here. NOT aftermarket Spotlights or commonwhore ones.

Looks like noone there can produce a straight answer, i dont thing the cops even know the correct ruling. The RTA extact could be interupted a number of different ways too.

Just another way to book someone when they can find something else and need to full their quote for the week.

22-04-2005, 09:32 PM

Oh, I know these wallies like to run around with their poser lights on but it's only the start. Now we're getting lowlifes here in Melbourne thinking it's cool to drive with only these wog/rice/abdul lights on at night and the parkers. So, suddenly they're now a headlight reploacement. Saw three tonight on my way home from the city.

Look, I have no problem. I simply use my high beam - and on at least two vehicles that amounts to over 540W of 'F-U' - call it the 'AP salute'.

As for the comments now about truckies why don't you get your lowlife bum in to the office of 60 Minutes where you belong along with all the cry baby truckies who reckon they can't say no to their boss (what happened to MEN in this country). And zealot producers who can't realise that the stuff on their back, the car they drive, the food they eat only got to them because these very same truckies busted their chops to get it there.

b2tf · 22-04-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Pete

Now we're getting lowlifes here in Melbourne thinking it's cool to drive with only these lights on at night and the parkers. So, suddenly they're now a headlight replacement.

That is one thing i do agree with you on. Very annoying.

22-04-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

and a pride in showing consideration for other drivers but I may lapse for the odd rude driver.

we have disagreed in the past (and future) but in this thread I am in full agreement, especially the quoted comment... Unfortunately due to a lack of impulse control and anger issues no one (especially other road users) should get on my bad side...... 3 year GBB for the latest, ah, indiscretion although my solicitor thought I'd be spending time meeting bubba.....

deesun · 23-04-2005, 12:11 AM

Just to clarify what I said earlier these lights,for oncoming trafic, because they are a spot not a spread beam appear brighter and certainly glarier and more annoying than low beam even though they are the same wattage. Otherwise we wouldnt be talking about them. And for the record T3man my BA XR6 has two in the front bar which never get turned on.

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RED_EL_XR8 · 23-04-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Pete

Oh, I know these wallies like to run around with their poser lights on but it's only the start. Now we're getting lowlifes here in Melbourne thinking it's cool to drive with only these wog/rice/abdul lights on at night and the parkers. So, suddenly they're now a headlight reploacement. Saw three tonight on my way home from the city.

Look, I have no problem. I simply use my high beam - and on at least two vehicles that amounts to over 540W of 'F-U' - call it the 'AP salute'.

As for the comments now about truckies why don't you get your lowlife bum in to the office of 60 Minutes where you belong along with all the cry baby truckies who reckon they can't say no to their boss (what happened to MEN in this country). And zealot producers who can't realise that the stuff on their back, the car they drive, the food they eat only got to them because these very same truckies busted their chops to get it there.

Only 540W our friend from the NT had 800Ws of lamps. Is he more of a man?

At this point Red puts on the soundtrack to Smoky & the Bandit and mutter phrases such as 10-4 rubber duck in honour of all those couragous truckies carrying freight across our highways and byways.
After that we will honour painters, cos without them painted stuff we have and see everywhere, would be, well unpainted.
Truck driving is a job for pay or income, you guys paint it as if your defending planet earth from the attack of the Zargons. Get real.

There are lots of fine truckies on the road and most are more than considerate, unfortunately there is a small but ever growing percentage of sleep deprived, high beam flashing maniacs in heavy vehicles that have attitudes that make you wonder if its even safe to let them near an electric can opener let alone a heavy vehicle.

Your comment of "I have no problem. I simply use my high beam - and on at least two vehicles that amounts to over 540W of 'F-U' " shows who is playing the mine is bigger than yours poser game this time around.

RED_EL_XR8 · 23-04-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by devil cv8

Red_EL_XR8 we have disagreed in the past (and future) but in this thread I am in full agreement, especially the quoted comment...

It had to happen sooner or later.

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But if my agreeing annoys you I'm sure I can find another topic, and I offer my sincerest apologies.

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Cheers.

RED_EL_XR8 · 23-04-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BA Bakes

Seems i have stirred the pot there. I think we're getting a little off track now fellas.

I find the lights very handy on country roads and in rain or fog. Their are a few ****ers out their with super bright bulbs that dont have them adjusted correct that stuff things up for the rest of us who do the right thing. The standard bulbs in the XR fog lights are only 55W. The same as the low beam bulbs. So if these fog lights, which are mounted lower and aimed lower blind you, i don't think you should be driving at night. I refering to the XR ones here. NOT aftermarket Spotlights or commonwhore ones.

Looks like noone there can produce a straight answer, i dont thing the cops even know the correct ruling. The RTA extact could be interupted a number of different ways too.

Just another way to book someone when they can find something else and need to full their quote for the week.

Back on topic! What was the actual infringement noted on your ticket stub?

T3man · 23-04-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deesun

Just to clarify what I said earlier these lights,for oncoming trafic, because they are a spot not a spread beam appear brighter and certainly glarier and more annoying than low beam even though they are the same wattage. Otherwise we wouldnt be talking about them. And for the record T3man my BA XR6 has two in the front bar which never get turned on.

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It is obvious you never turn them on - if you did you might be in some position to comment. The lights being referred to in this thread are the very same type of lights that are in your BA XR (unless you have changed them). They are fog lights. They are a spread beam. They are NOT a spot light. They may be switched on independently of your low beam and/or high beam headlights. They are not switched in conjunction with your high beam although some people choose to do this. It is not illegal to operate them in this way.

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 23-04-2005, 10:44 AM

Well I am a truck driver , yes , I operate a tilt tray ! The vehicle I am talking about with about 800 watts of light is actualy my XD ! There is about the same amount of light on the tilt tray and and it serves its purpous very well ! As for being sleep deprivered, and and whinging about being forced by the boss. I have told more than one boss ( and had them listen very carefully against their will) what they can do with their job if I cant run my vehicle with a legal log book or in a safe manner! Do some of you actually take pride in the fact that you are ignorent pompas fools or do you think that you should be exempt from the same laws that the rest of us try to obey! What s*#ts me is that you ****s , use your Fag lights like a status symbol and then complain when you get booked for annoying other road users!

I am the first to admit I am not a model citizen , but I do have respect for other road users. If you would care to re read my response red , you will notice that if your fag lights are aimed correctly , all is good , but if they are annoying me , you know the rest! Ummm, I take it I must be rude for letting you know my thoughts instead of putting up with the inconveiniece and thanking you for the discomfort of your god given right to be special! Please feel free to keep displaying your fagedness(new word) and I hope you actually get a few more tickets for doing so ! But I reiterate, cop the consequences if you annoy me while you do mate ! :MrT_anim:

23-04-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Your comment of "I have no problem. I simply use my high beam - and on at least two vehicles that amounts to over 540W of 'F-U' " shows who is playing the mine is bigger than yours poser game this time around.

You're missing the point aren't you? Not surprising given your apparent lack of intuition, consideration and literacy.

Basically those that use wally lights are saying they don't care about what others think and they'll continue to use them. So, what goes around comes around and all of a sudeen people like me are lowlifes for returning the favour.

And in your simple minded drivel-level IQ redundant post you assume we're talking about trucks. Well, I'm just saying my cars have a healthy high beam and if your front or rear foglights have noticeable glare you get the return favor.

But you, being a lowlife of the kind that inhabits the media turns this into a truckies versus the rest of the world thing.

You my friend are an inconsiderate and obnoxious, myopic example of why our society is so screwed up. You only care that you shopuld be able to do what you want because you think it's okay. Nothing about inconsideration you represent to others. Putting your life attitude to practice is like me saying I can run my stereo loud as much as I like to 10pm because it shouldn't bother anyone because I never go to bed before then myself.

MOPAR MAN:
Fine words mate.

Smoke Pursuit · 23-04-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Pete

You're missing the point aren't you? Not surprising given your apparent lack of intuition, consideration and literacy.

Basically those that use wally lights are saying they don't care about what others think and they'll continue to use them. So, what goes around comes around and all of a sudeen people like me are lowlifes for returning the favour.

And in your simple minded drivel-level IQ redundant post you assume we're talking about trucks. Well, I'm just saying my cars have a healthy high beam and if your front or rear foglights have noticeable glare you get the return favor.

But you, being a lowlife of the kind that inhabits the media turns this into a truckies versus the rest of the world thing.

You my friend are an inconsiderate and obnoxious, myopic example of why our society is so screwed up. You only care that you shopuld be able to do what you want because you think it's okay. Nothing about inconsideration you represent to others. Putting your life attitude to practice is like me saying I can run my stereo loud as much as I like to 10pm because it shouldn't bother anyone because I never go to bed before then myself.

MOPAR MAN:
Fine words mate.

Someones had his Thesaurus out... :newangel:

Foglights are fine through the day, but come late arvo when dusk is setting in they seem to get a hell of alot brighter....

The sad part about it is people do abuse them, I personally drive with them on during the day in the sun but as soon as it gets a bit dark I turn them off and put the normal headlights on... I will be honest and admit i drive with them on during the day for safety and looks, but in the sun they seriously dont provide any glare or reflection. It just seems to me that alot of people are of the belief that all foglights are bad, just coz a few rice burners thought they would go down to supercheap and put crappy $40 ones on. Yes after market ones are crap as most of them fit them at home with no idea about how to position them, plus the lights are cheap crap with no globe shrouds like the BA (I think Holdens earlier VX/VY SS's were like this to causing them to blind people).

Anyways if you really think about it they dont dazzle you unless you look straight towards them, which in fact is probarly stupid as you should be looking to yourside of the road rather then trying to judge how bright someones foglights are... Each to their own I guess but carrying on like 3 year olds is a bit of a joke....

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Oh and ill continue to use them during the day until someone decides to book me for doing so and can actually prove what the law is, coz as far as im concerned you do a driving test and are questioned about highbeam etc and when you can use it, but I have never personally read anything about foglights and when they can or can't be used.

As for you AP and your 540 Watts of high beam your just childish. Yeh lets cause an accident with our 540 watts of light just coz some poor fool is driving around with 55 watts of low spread pointing to the ground.... Your just as bad or even worse and I dont have to go into the whole truck driver bullshit either.

b2tf · 23-04-2005, 01:40 PM

Ok, not to sound as though im playing the high and mighty as i know i have repleid to this thread several times myself, but perhaps its time to let this go.

There really is no need to get into the insults - this thread started as a simple question, the question was answered and opinions were offered. Nothing wrong with that but when we get to the point where we're using big words to insult each other, its probably time to call it a day.

Smoke Pursuit · 23-04-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

Ok, not to sound as though im playing the high and mighty as i know i have repleid to this thread several times myself, but perhaps its time to let this go.

There really is no need to get into the insults - this thread started as a simple question, the question was answered and opinions were offered. Nothing wrong with that but when we get to the point where we're using big words to insult each other, its probably time to call it a day.

Wise words!

REDELXR8 man you need to settle down a bit, everything I read from you lately seems a little fired up.. Everyone has an opinion which is fair enough :Up_to_som

YOOT · 23-04-2005, 03:01 PM

Simple rule regarding Fog Lights - if you have your sunglasses on then your fog lights should be off.

RED_EL_XR8 · 23-04-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

Wise words!

REDELXR8 man you need to settle down a bit, everything I read from you lately seems a little fired up.. Everyone has an opinion which is fair enough :Up_to_som

I dont need to settle anything. I'm fine thanks.
If people like to use terms like ****er and poser to anyone whose opinion doesn't agree entirely to their own one eyed view, then I dont mind, I'll pull their chain. :hihi:

All the postering is is sad, the mine is bigger stuff. Then to blatently bragg about dazzling an oncoming vehicle, that's good advice for anyone looking for a totally unnecessary roadside confrontation.
Attitudes like that are there to be torn apart! I can have my opinion and I dont have to name call anyone who differs to have it, I dont oppose differing opinions or anyones right to have them. I do get annoyed at those incapable of tolerating anyone whose opinions differs from thier own. :hihi:

The one think I would like to know out of this thread was what exactly was written on the infringement notices given?

XR-ENVI · 25-04-2005, 07:22 PM

the worst lights coming towards you at night are AU's can always pick em, they are so bright

Bobman · 29-11-2005, 09:44 PM

Funny how many people here are again'st "DRIVING" lights on BA's, they are not fog lights.

That said every police car (marked or unmarked) I see driving at night here in VIC also has them on, so if it's such a massive problem don't you think they would represent themselves in a more appropriate manner as a role model for other drivers?

It's not illegal in VIC at least & there are far more annoying things to worry about than two little lights in the bottom of a bumperbar, for feck sake in a truck your sitting so high it has a minimal impact on vision ahead of you.

The worst problem is and always has been, improperley aimed "headlights" and drivers often driving with high beams on oblivious oncoming traffic.

Keepleft · 29-11-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wicked

Funny how many people here are again'st "DRIVING" lights on BA's, they are not fog lights.

That said every police car (marked or unmarked) I see driving at night here in VIC also has them on, so if it's such a massive problem don't you think they would represent themselves in a more appropriate manner as a role model for other drivers?

It's not illegal in VIC at least & there are far more annoying things to worry about than two little lights in the bottom of a bumperbar, for feck sake in a truck your sitting so high it has a minimal impact on vision ahead of you.

The worst problem is and always has been, improperley aimed "headlights" and drivers often driving with high beams on oblivious oncoming traffic.

The lights below the bumper of the BA's are FOG. These are not to be confused with the old 'decorative' lamps found in contravention of ADR/UNECE, these stupid lamps were w5w bulbed.

It is NOT an offence in Victoria to use them in clear conditions, one reason why you see dumbarse Victorian troopers using them such.

It is an offence here in NSW and WA to use them in clear conditions through seperate regulations. The problem is we do not prohibit the use of front fog lights in clear conditions in the Australian Road Rules.

xespac · 29-11-2005, 10:14 PM

I think floglamps / driving lamps are good in any condition, but I mind when someone comes around a corner or over a hill with high beams on lol.... I don't find any distraction when I see an on-coming car with foglamps on....

I'm going to continue to use them when I fill the need, if you're going towards geelong on the freeway - you get to a strech of road for more then a KM and it's pitch-black no lights on the side of the road!!!

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 29-11-2005, 11:02 PM

I call them fag lights ! They are bloody annoying especially when fitted with brighter globes ! They are usually just for the pose factor and should only be used on occations when needed! Like there is fog , in which case white light only adds to the problem of being not able to see , they should be yellow so the fog doesnt just become a thicker wall of white. Or they should be used as spot lights , which most users use correctly ! they usually dip their headlights when a car comes into veiw in which case the spotlights are extingushed! then you have the "I cant see so i will dip once they have well and truely caused the oncoming vehicle some bother " crowd who dont give a flying firetruck about anyone else on the road !

If your "FAG" lights are on and bright, you will get all of the nearly 800 watts of lights from my car ! simple !

Doogstar · 30-11-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by XR-ENVI

the worst lights coming towards you at night are AU's can always pick em, they are so bright

True, I was always getting angry flashs from on-coming traffic in my AU with low beams on.

I drive with the fog lights on in my BA and have never had an angry flash. I think they help to light up the road directly in front of the car. The other XR's I see with them on don't dazzle me at all. I think they improve your visiblity to other drivers.

Call me a poser or a ****er if you want, but if I want to use them why shouldn't I? I will use them whenever I want. In fact I think I will go out the garage right now and put them on. SO THERE. (dammit, can't find a smiley poking out it's tongue).

The Monty · 30-11-2005, 07:33 AM

I thought that fog lights were only allowed to be in opperation if your high beams were on. Im prbably wrong about this as I am wrong about practically everything

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b2tf · 30-11-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

I thought that fog lights were only allowed to be in opperation if your high beams were on. Im prbably wrong about this as I am wrong about practically everything

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Thats driving lights.

Keepleft · 30-11-2005, 10:46 AM

Call them fag lights or whatever people, at the end of the day they are certified at ADR as front fog lights. Look closely at the lens, the E coding where it reads "02B" near the E mark tells you this. (The B or b is relevant).

Their use is restricted in NSW and WA through seperate traffic regulations to the Australian Road Rules to 'hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility'.

Back2thefutura has again had to remind the difference between 'driving lights' and front fogs, the difference is clear. Xespac, please understand this, they are not 'combined' fog/driving lamps, fog is what they are, by design definition - for use in heavy rain or fog, are excellent in falling snow, can be used in bushfire smoke or on gravel roads; ESPECIALLY in all weather cases, - IF the low beams are kept off AND your running with just the park lights! Reduces reflected glare by a large amount.

Front fog lights, typically fitted with 55watt bulbs @ 12 volts are not 'daytime running lamps' which under our ADR/UNECE rules are fitted with 21watt bulbs @ 12 volts. (An effect like a reversing light if you will!).

99% of front fog lights on cars thesedays are white-optic, if for some reason you like the yellow look, you might have a bit of luck sourcing marketed 'all weather' bulbs, these will give that yellow on approach look, and the same effect for the driver.

The ONLY car of late that actually has dedicated 'driving lamps' below the bumper is the Nissan Micra Sports and a specific Ford Explorer.

Driving lights are wired to only operate on high-beam, they aid in high-beam effectivness, range typically 200 plus metres. In this country adding driving lights OR upgrading your existing, as factory fitted, is certainly worthwhile.

Front fog lights (even huge mammoth-big scary ones!) are typically aligned with a reach of 10-35 metres out (Max 50m), and also have typically a 'wide' fan-shaped beam pattern, designed to show up the edge of a roads surface in seriously reduced visibility, your speed - will naturally be reduced.

The various United Nations Conventions on Road Traffic Road Signs and Signals allow the use of front fog lights at night on winding mountain roads, here, that 'fan shape' light pattern can assist a driver rather than relying on low and high-beam alone.

Front fog lights are okay, but I can happily live without them, consider them a purely optional luxury, they are not mandatory anywhere in the world, a rear fog light is however (in EU), and these remain the primary defence against rear-end crashes in heavy fog like conditions.

Adding a Piaa LED (See WEB) rear fog light (slimheight) to a mates XR, drives frequent intercity freeway trips and into the country.

Those Aussie Ford utes sold in the UK are required to have a rear fog light fitted and wired per ECE requirement. Here, the rear fog light is fitted directly below the Aussie reverse!