Club rego scams

[MercurySilver]

lol
i was actually going to post that i still have a mullet
mullets and sa go hand in hand

pretty much like vic and its crime rate


but yeah, they are pretty serious over here with mods, you can do pretty much bugger all
and ive heard the guys at Regency (where the car goes to be checked over) can be a little...errr whats the word, picky?

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

No carbon, just a small book that requires you to put in
* the days date
* the activity/location you are using the vehicle (for example 'Melbourne area' or 'Club run - Hanging Rock (and return)')
* drivers name
* drivers signature

That is all that is required, full stop, no more, all over red rover, etc

So Trev you could scribble in pencil and rub it out again? Like been mention 90 day logbook would be awesome, almost twice a week you could drive the car anywhere. That would be awesome, because my car is lucky to get out once a month.

In Qld the car has to be at least 30 year old, you can drive in a 15klm radius from you nominated address. The grey area is that you can take the car anywhere for repairs/quotes. Either then that it has to be a club run or car show, swap meet or school fate/weddings but only for family members.

One good thing about Qld is your car can be modified, as we have quite a few driven around with 671s out of the bonnet. There's a lot of people cheating the system here as well. Ok the cops mightn't pick them up, but if they are involved in an accident then that's where their luck runs out.

[MercurySilver]

im sure ive read this wrong, because it cant possibly be correct

you can drive the car for 90 days a year (same as sa) but only in a 15km radius form your dwelling?
surely ive read that wrong

[XBROO]

No Mercury you've read it wrong, we don't have a log book. You can drive the car as much as you like in that 15klm radius as long as it's for testing/tuning purposes.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by XBROO

So Trev you could scribble in pencil and rub it out again?

yes
if you were that way inclined

[Silver Ghia]

But the indentation from the previous writing would probably show.

[Trevor 57]

If you were a Detective and looking for such things - LOL

I struggle to use the 45 days now, let alone 90 days, I reckon this year is my biggest, I have used about 18 and it is due for renewal in May, I used it as a daily when my proper daily was in the panel beaters for 6 days hence the more days I think, oh and I did a wedding in it for my niece

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

If you were a Detective and looking for such things - LOL

I struggle to use the 45 days now, let alone 90 days, I reckon this year is my biggest, I have used about 18 and it is due for renewal in May, I used it as a daily when my proper daily was in the panel beaters for 6 days hence the more days I think, oh and I did a wedding in it for my niece

Apparently the Police have been taking notes of Club Reg Cars and pulling them up at a later date and checking the books have been filled in.

[outback_ute]

bluovl have a look at the Association of Motoring Clubs, there is a letter explaining what is going on - www.aomc.asn.au

[neptune blue]

Mine on 90 days and I have driven it 3 times since the rego was transferred at the star of October
I don't think I will use the 90 days

[bluovl]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

bluovl have a look at the Association of Motoring Clubs, there is a letter explaining what is going on - www.aomc.asn.au

Thanks Outback Ute.
From the Vicroads statement attached to that link it appears they want to introduce a new plate for modified older vehicles. That would be fantastic. I think Street Machine magazine mentioned something similar a few months back.
Personally I like to see the requirements to license a modified vehicle relaxed a bit. For example I have to get an engineers report to upgrade my Mustangs brakes. I'm fitting 6 pot 355mm Baer brakes to it. A major improvement over the cars stock drums. The hoops and hurdles I need to clear with the authorities to pass this modification are crap.

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

yes















































if you were that way inclined

Nah Trev I wouldn't but I'm sure there would be people doing it. To me yeah 90 days is plenty. And it would be good to go for a cruise for a few days straight, with just the missus and kids.

[OzJavelin]

I'm sure the issuing/renewal letter has in it that all records in the log book (Vic) must be permenant (ie not pencil) .. But I don't have any letters lying about and it's not in the permit book itself ..

Police seem to check log books regularly around here ..

[Trevor 57]

I don't think I have read that, but I am probably wrong, just haven't read it - LOL It would make sense to say that obviously

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by bluovl

Thanks Outback Ute.
From the Vicroads statement attached to that link it appears they want to introduce a new plate for modified older vehicles. That would be fantastic. I think Street Machine magazine mentioned something similar a few months back.
Personally I like to see the requirements to license a modified vehicle relaxed a bit. For example I have to get an engineers report to upgrade my Mustangs brakes. I'm fitting 6 pot 355mm Baer brakes to it. A major improvement over the cars stock drums. The hoops and hurdles I need to clear with the authorities to pass this modification are crap.

I don't think there is any intention to relax the modification requirements, the references to that sort of thing (inspections, modifications) relate to vintage and veteran cars that most mechanics would not know where to start with. Personally I don't see what the big deal is with modifications, unless the original intent was to only have SA-level original cars. I can see the case for restricting things to period modifications only (eg Escort with Nissan SR20 would not be eligible) but it depends on whether you put the emphasis on historic permit or club permit. I think the less complicated the system is the better.

As an example 6 pot calipers might be a good improvement but not if the mounting bracket snaps - hence the engineering requirement. Then I'm sure you would have people trying to run the new calipers on the original master cylinder too...

[mcnews]

I have just had the WB Holden ute I recently bought inspected for RWC for club rego, got to do some floorpan rust repairs and some headlight lenses then will be right to go.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

I don't think there is any intention to relax the modification requirements, the references to that sort of thing (inspections, modifications) relate to vintage and veteran cars that most mechanics would not know where to start with. Personally I don't see what the big deal is with modifications, unless the original intent was to only have SA-level original cars. I can see the case for restricting things to period modifications only (eg Escort with Nissan SR20 would not be eligible) but it depends on whether you put the emphasis on historic permit or club permit. I think the less complicated the system is the better.

As an example 6 pot calipers might be a good improvement but not if the mounting bracket snaps - hence the engineering requirement. Then I'm sure you would have people trying to run the new calipers on the original master cylinder too...

I'm personally of the same opinion, I sort of thought FJ Holdens with red motors and Aussie 4 speeds and jelly been mags are fine but an injected late model motor 4 wheel disc and 20' billits isnt keeping with the spirit of period correctness

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

I got club rego on my 4x4, its great! $70 a year for 45 days, new plates, cannot keep old ones. Insurance is now $95 too. For our club, car has to be road worthy and club scrutineers letter.

Gotta ask, who are you insured with as I'm struggling to find a reasonable insurer for the xd. . Mines on club plates and it's definitely not an immaculate example. . Mind u I found it interesting that you don't need a working speedo in Victoria on a 25 plus yr old car to pass roadworthy.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by bluovl

Thanks Outback Ute.
From the Vicroads statement attached to that link it appears they want to introduce a new plate for modified older vehicles. That would be fantastic. I think Street Machine magazine mentioned something similar a few months back.
Personally I like to see the requirements to license a modified vehicle relaxed a bit. For example I have to get an engineers report to upgrade my Mustangs brakes. I'm fitting 6 pot 355mm Baer brakes to it. A major improvement over the cars stock drums. The hoops and hurdles I need to clear with the authorities to pass this modification are crap.

Well I hope the modification criteria is NOT relaxed. It's there for a reason! Just because you have special rego does not suddenly make a dangerous modification safe.

In reference to your brakes, unless engineered how do the authority know your mounting is adequate, all the materials are compatible. The components are fit for purpose and also compatible. Maybe you went to Bunnings for your mounting bolts and used galvanised wood bolts instead of the correct size high tensile ones.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by au2000

Gotta ask, who are you insured with as I'm struggling to find a reasonable insurer for the xd. . Mines on club plates and it's definitely not an immaculate example. . Mind u I found it interesting that you don't need a working speedo in Victoria on a 25 plus yr old car to pass roadworthy.

We use Shannons, but I have heard Lumley's is OK as well

[The Yeti]

Just put the wife's 38 on club plates in NSW all we needed was the club scrutanier to sign the historic vehicle declaration and identify the vehicle as the one I said it was, a road worthy inspection (my club has nominated that they want this anualy) and the appropriate RMS forms compleated, then down to RMS pay them about $150 (had yo pay extra this year as I out my personalised plates in storage and had to pay for the H plate all went a lot easier than I had anticipated, my biggest problem is the plates look baffle but I'm saving a grand a year so I can learn like them

[Franco Cozzo]

I don't think its policed very well, my mates old man has a 1960s V8 compact Fairlane and my mate took me for a drive in it, just filled out the log book, even put P plates up (not allowed to drive V8s) and off we went and we went right past a marked police car and they didn't even bat an eye lid with the P plates up as we rumbled past.

Also I think they only had 289s in them or something, this has a 302 in it, so its modified from original.

I'd rather just have full rego and not have to stick to what some nazi at the car club says, have all the mods you want, just hide them well, no filling out a log book etc.

Or have a limited rego system without the restrictions of the car having to be original, 25 years old and part of a car club, would be better.

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I don't think its policed very well, my mates old man has a 1960s V8 compact Fairlane and my mate took me for a drive in it, just filled out the log book, even put P plates up (not allowed to drive V8s) and off we went and we went right past a marked police car and they didn't even bat an eye lid with the P plates up as we rumbled past.

Also I think they only had 289s in them or something, this has a 302 in it, so its modified from original.

I'd rather just have full rego and not have to stick to what some nazi at the car club says, have all the mods you want, just hide them well, no filling out a log book etc.

Or have a limited rego system without the restrictions of the car having to be original, 25 years old and part of a car club, would be better.

I don't know what restrictions you are talking about other than a maximum of 90 days usage
No nazi's at our club telling you what you can & can't do- it doesn't work that way
My car is modified - no issue in Victoria
If the police aren't doing their job I can't see how owners of club permitted cars are responsible for law breakers

The reason a 25 year restriction is in place is cos its assumed that these cars would not be used as a daily drive

If they opend it up to any vehicle, you cant tell me that people wouldnt be fudging their log books so that they could try to avoid paying full rego

No one is stopping you from paying full reg - last time I checked, club permit wasnt mandatory

[Morexbs]

I am a member of a car club that gave me a club permit for my Mustang without having to meet any qualifying criteria.All I had to do was pay a membership fee and take the car to the club president's house for him to look at it.
I got a RWC for my own peace of mind as I actually wanted to make sure the car was safe but was told by the president that he didn't want to see the RWC as I could have modified the car since it was done.He then looked the car over and signed a letter stating it was fit for road use.
I then went to Vicroads and got my red number plates and log book and saved about $1000 and get cheaper insurance as well.Since then I have driven the car about a dozen times and filled in the log book as required each time.
The alternatives were to pay full rego at a cost of over $1000 or join another club,jump through their hoops and then wait a year to see if they deemed me worthy enough to participate in their permit scheme (and having to put the car on full rego while I waited).Boy,I really struggled with that decision.

To the whingers I say this:
-If a car is unroadworthy,let the police deal with it because that's what they do.It doesn't matter if the car is on a club permit or full rego-there are cars with flashing red and blue lights that can pull it over and defect it if it's as bad as those described in earlier posts.
-If someone doesn't fill out their log book and they get busted that's their problem.They get fined and the government gets money,which is the main objective of traffic policing.
-I don't see how a car club can be responsible for the actions of it's members.If I go out and do a burnout in my XR6 does the lady at Vicroads who registered the car for me lose her job?The scheme has now been in operation in Victoria for a few years in it's current form.In that time has there been one single instance of a car club being penalised by either Vicroads or the police for the actions of a member?
-The whole idea of a club scheme is stupid.A car club should not have to perform the role of the registration authority and I am sure that most car club officials would rather not have the headaches associated with administering such a scheme.A better idea would be to have cheaper classic/historic/limited use registration available to the general public with a RWC required just like a normal car.
-If Vicroads are allowing unqualified people to determine if a car is safe for road use,then I would suggest that any problem lies with Vicroads.People are only doing what the scheme allows them to do.

[noflac52]

Making the clubs oversee these schemes is a way of making them cost neutral to the government. If they started costing money to administer and the government were losing how long do you think they would last? Not very long!

From a government perspective, if you are receiving a benefit to assist in partaking in your hobby you have to do something to even the score. Basically do the work necessary to see that it operates safely or you don't get it. That's the main reason the clubs are involved and there is also the peer pressure involved that goes some way to making sure idiots don't abuse it, rather than having a free for all where anyone can get and abuse the system eventually bringing it down.

As an example the draconian laws being introduced across the nation courtesy of the burnout kings who think its ok to spend a half an hour in suburban streets doing burnouts in the middle of the night.

If the serial burnout proponent is a club member and the club gets wind of it they have the power to refuse the member access to the scheme and expelling them from the club.

This will go some way to helping the responsible enthusiasts differentiate themselves from the ********* that get lumped in with us all the time when really the only thing we have in common is that we drive cars.

I think there is a good case for having clubs administer the schemes.

[bluovl]

Originally Posted by Stefan

In reference to your brakes, unless engineered how do the authority know your mounting is adequate, all the materials are compatible. The components are fit for purpose and also compatible. Maybe you went to Bunnings for your mounting bolts and used galvanised wood bolts instead of the correct size high tensile ones.

No maybe I didn't buy bolts from Bunnings. I spent $6,000 on a brake kit from Baer in the U.S. Their gear is 1st class. It seems that the authorities here would be happier if I stuck with the stock drums.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

lol
i was actually going to post that i still have a mullet
mullets and sa go hand in hand

pretty much like vic and its crime rate


but yeah, they are pretty serious over here with mods, you can do pretty much bugger all
and ive heard the guys at Regency (where the car goes to be checked over) can be a little...errr whats the word, picky?

SA club rego at the moment isnt that bad, it keeps a lid on it and you can scoot around cheaply

pipes and holley carbs are allowed on old GTs.. and thats all you need to buzz em up

dont believe the BS you read on the internertz about regency

unless youre a dh with a sh!tbox and attitude

you wont have a problem

[FGII-XR6]

you know that but without the documentation they don't. they also don't know if they are suitable for your vehicle or if the hydraulic system is up to running the enhanced components or that the correct brake bias has been maintained

Originally Posted by bluovl

No maybe I didn't buy bolts from Bunnings. I spent $6,000 on a brake kit from Baer in the U.S. Their gear is 1st class. It seems that the authorities here would be happier if I stuck with the stock drums.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by neptune blue

I don't know what restrictions you are talking about other than a maximum of 90 days usage
No nazi's at our club telling you what you can & can't do- it doesn't work that way
My car is modified - no issue in Victoria
If the police aren't doing their job I can't see how owners of club permitted cars are responsible for law breakers

The reason a 25 year restriction is in place is cos its assumed that these cars would not be used as a daily drive

If they opend it up to any vehicle, you cant tell me that people wouldnt be fudging their log books so that they could try to avoid paying full rego

No one is stopping you from paying full reg - last time I checked, club permit wasnt mandatory

I thought there was restrictions on modifications? The car has to be "period correct"?

Also, I have full rego on 4x cars.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Murph-51

its completely legal.....................








until you get caught

I know a guy who's been driving his restored old truck on club rego for maybe twenty years. No problems. It's a proper classic truck and is immaculate.

I think the reason they don't "crack down on it" is that 99% of club rego vehicles are probably better maintained and looked after than most newer cars.

Our WB ute, when finished, will be put on club rego.

Still, I'm a firm believer that if you have several cars/motorbikes, you should pay one "registration" and have one set of plates that you swap from vehicle to vehicle, with a small fee for each extra car/bike. You can only drive one at a time anyway, and having one rego plate would negate the criticism that "you'll just put your mates cars on it and all drive around on the one rego".