The drug "Ice"

[GasoLane]

So now can we keep off the Grass please and back on the OP's topic ?

[ILLaViTaR]

The topic of ignoring facts? Using your own anecdotals as though they have (greater) merit? And condemning things we have absolutely no idea regarding nor don't want to know of?

Who needs Phd's and 20 years in the industry when it's as simple as weed triggering schizophrenia? These people could've saved themselves a whole career and instead just found everything from ancedotals?

How dumb they must be to not use their eyes and merely see people do weed first and develop schizophrenia later... after a whole career in this field. Why does it take these yahoos 20yrs in the field and medical school to not see what everyone here has discovered looking at their mates? Absolute white collar fools.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by herbicide

Stoners and other people with addictions trying to justify their chosen vice - hilarious.

I don't touch the stuff, and I don't drink often and theres at least one person here on AFF who can attest to that who I was at the pub with in Kilmore before AFF Heathcote this year.

I'm just trying to see the other side and open my mind a little, maybe if more people looked at all sides of the coin we could have some solutions to a problem for a change?

Originally Posted by pottery beige

recreational is a funny word, is most often used by those in denial of their slippery ride to hell

I've seen the ride to hell happen to one guy I went to school with, mind you the kid who started it all for him ended up cleaning himself right up and the other guy is up poo creek without a paddle.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

The topic of ignoring facts? Using your own anecdotals as though they have (greater) merit? And condemning things we have absolutely no idea regarding nor don't want to know of?

Fine it's not like anyone will listen!

The topic is Crystal Meth. Not Marijuana.

You started on the first page talking about Marijuana.

If you know something first hand, not what you've read, about ICE, then lets hear it.

If not don't bother posting

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

I live in a small victorian country town. Bikie scum moved here a couple of years ago and bought the ice with them. I'd whole-heartedly support a bullet to the back of the neck. Drop the ****ers down a mine shaft, problem solved. I don't have kids in school. Others I know do, and this scum is exposing their kids to this. Interesting times I expect. A wait and see attitude isn't being taken by some. Police are factoring themselves out of the equation quick by taking a soft approach. I hear life is becoming very hard for these peices of dog **** and I couldn't be happier about it.

Which region if you don't mind me asking? It was in the news papers here as well but I haven't really noticed any drug activity like the paper was saying.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

People want to get high regardless and will whether it's weed, ice, sniffing paint or whatever. What are we going to do ban every intoxicating substance known to man? Follow the rest of the world and legalize and regulate the safer drugs and watch the harder drug use subside.

Or keep banging the uneducated prohibition drum (cause prohibition has worked so flawlessly in the past) and watch it get worse.

I just feel sorry for the paramedics who have to put up with the drunks and ice addicts trying to attack them all the time.

Mum used to work in Bunnings in Broadmeadows and there was a middle aged lady who used to come in with a ring of paint around her mouth and always buying spray cans, Mum thought she was some sort of clown for little kids

Then said middle aged lady stopped coming into Bunnings all of a sudden.

Middle aged lady died from her escapades.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Your not near St Arnaud ?

Big Damo, I asked the same question. He's not on at the moment, but St Arnaud did make the news a few weeks ago because of this issue......

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by superyob

The only way to stop this is for society to get rid of its moral paralysis and start hanging drug dealers...

You’ll only be executing the middle men down to the brain dead junkies who on sell it.

For the most, the main players who make billions are left to continue the trade by paying the gullible and desperate to take the fall by doing their bidding.

Capital punishment has never been a deterrent to murder, what it does do is force the perpetrators to kill victims ensuring there are no witnesses to put them on execution row.

Look at Mexico, the billions made by the drug trade has made life there worth nothing.

There is no denying drugs are the scourge of the modern world and given the billions of dollars countries like the USA throw at law enforcement to fight it, it shows the battle is almost impossible to win.

There are no laws that will ever fix this problem, it’s all about education from a very young age and treatment for those that fall into its net.

[Maka]

A couple links -

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law...-1226898535547

http://theconversation.com/ice-age-t...ustralia-26052

The articles paint a bleak picture but they are the unfortunate facts - please keep your kids close by, educate them about the dangers of all drugs until your last breath & above all tell them you love them everyday. As a old youth worker, i have seen first hand what damage all drugs does to families & its ******* heartbreaking.

cheers, Maka

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I've seen the ride to hell happen to one guy I went to school with, mind you the kid who started it all for him ended up cleaning himself right up and the other guy is up poo creek without a paddle.

they will pop in and out of your life, you cant tell them, they cant be told

just be there when they pop up

you are there when theyve had enough

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

they will pop in and out of your life, you cant tell them, they cant be told

just be there when they pop up

you are there when theyve had enough

Yeah I've been there for the poo creek guy, sad thing is he threw a good local job opportunity down the toilet with his antics.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Yeah I've been there for the poo creek guy, sad thing is he threw a good local job opportunity down the toilet with his antics.

and there will be many more antics on his slippery slope

its not him, its an empty shell, its the addiction

and that really sucks about this bs caper

just be there

[HULK_I6T]

Everyone says it's so addictive???

How would they know unless they have tried it and become addicted

[Geez Louise]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Everyone says it's so addictive???

How would they know unless they have tried it and become addicted

Are you serious? Everyone says Poo tastes bad too and you shouldn't try it...I sure believe that without trying it myself!

Cheers
Col

[Franco Cozzo]

Probably something to do with the eurphoric high you get from your first hit, and the fact after prolonged use it damages dopamine receptors in your brain, so when you're off the drug you feel like crap all of the time regardless and you need it to feel good.

Crappy circle to get stuck on.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Everyone says it's so addictive???

How would they know unless they have tried it and become addicted

not all of us sit around boring bbqs

i home delivered ladies to boring guys like you for many years

seen the damage done

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

i home delivered ladies to boring guys like you for many years

I now require the full story, feel free to PM me lol.

[ratter]

So do we need to have a PHD to see first hand what drugs do to people when we see it happen to family members, to see the crimes they do, to see the jail time they have done multiple times?

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I now require the full story, feel free to PM me lol.

no lols in it bro

just ruined lives

[Brendo_GSUte]

Meth is legal in certain guises like medication such as sudafed, pain inhibitors and sleeping pills but the drug even in a different (pseudo) form, in extremely low dosages and treated by professional chemists, yet people still get addicted to them.

If thats not enough evidence on how addictive they are then yeh you are not in touch with the facts, are in denial, or think "you have a handle on it" but the reality is thats a clear sign that its already started to alter your perception. People who did it casually 15 years ago are starting to show psychological problems like psychosys, dillusion issues, anger problems, depression, anxeity, cognitive issues, siezures just to name a few.

Marajuana is a gateway drug (one that leads to people taking other kinds of drugs) and if grown by dealers who add in other chemicals to enhance the effects causes psychosis.

So thats why they will never be legalized.

Anyone who has used the stuff, this is worth a read...

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...ethamphetamine

[Franco Cozzo]

If Ice usage continues to grow at the rate it is, I guess by 2050 many people will be zombies if they continue to abuse it, theres your zombie apocalypse for you.

Some regions around Melbourne have an issue with needles being left everywhere in public toilets, the common sense thing to do would have needle dispensary boxes located in toilets for people to dispose of their needles into if they are going to shoot up in public toilets rather than leave them on the floor.

But it "looks bad", so the local councils would rather ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist then create a needle disposal policy and deal with the problem.

You probably won't stop people injecting in the toilets, but you can stop the majority of needles from being left on the floor through a simple measure, so why not try it?

Would you rather walk into the toilet and see a needle on the floor, or a needle box on the wall? Ideally you wouldn't want to see either but we live in the real world not the fantasy one so theres going to be needles in the toilet, its just where it is.

That is the problem we have, people would rather ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist because "it looks bad" rather than do the hard work, acknowledge it and find a solution to the problem. I've come across a few problems in life where it seems we've spent more time and effort in an attempt to conceal and hide something rather than look at the root cause of the problem and fix it.

Once we've got the needle box and the needles are inside, not on the floor, then we start working on how we stop people injecting in the first place as our end goal.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Everyone says it's so addictive???

How would they know unless they have tried it and become addicted

You don't have to try it, just knowing some one close to you who has used it is enough..... if you get my meaning.

[ebxr8240]

Try working as a line worker where your mate is on hooch ..
You have to be kidding..
It's very dangerous..

[Dash_XR]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Mum used to work in Bunnings in Broadmeadows and there was a middle aged lady who used to come in with a ring of paint around her mouth and always buying spray cans, Mum thought she was some sort of clown for little kids

Then said middle aged lady stopped coming into Bunnings all of a sudden.

Middle aged lady died from her escapades.

I had a similar experience with two big Maori's and a skinny white guy while eating lunch at a park, chatting with them while they enjoyed their silver coke bottles.

My point was people will always find something to ruin their life with, education and safer alternatives are the only way to reduce the damage.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Everyone says it's so addictive???

How would they know unless they have tried it and become addicted

Wow...............

[Franco Cozzo]

I guess in time something new will come along and people will forget about ice, just like herroin used to be a huge issue and now its faded off into the background, its there but not in the limelight anymore.

[MercurySilver]

i smoke a pipe a day shoot me
i wouldnt touch that ice *****

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Everyone says it's so addictive???

How would they know unless they have tried it and become addicted

Dont need to try it. Just like many substances, If people are willing to sell their *** for it, I try and avoid it. ( saving mine for the Scout reunion )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKst8BaPbc

Just a mild docco. Bambi in comparison to watch actually happens. If I had kids that were in their early teens, wouldnt hurt to have them watch something similar to this.

Skipping last class with your friends and having two Udl`s to be cool, or ripping a bong behind the paper-shed then either laughing at your teachers shoes for the next 2 hours, or the ant thats crawling across the table, will happen, but drugs like this and others, sometimes there`s no turning back after the first 'try'

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by richo77

Epidemic in Perth? Please. Maybe in Armadale, Gosnells..

Maybe not an epidemic...but it is a serious problem. Plus the damage it is doing in regional communities is devastating.

Seen a few mates over the years nearly destroyed by meth, one fancied himself as some dealer kingpin, watched too many movies I think, I remember he bragged to me about him and another bloke smoked $5,000 worth of the stuff in one Saturday night, I said how can you comfortably boast about wasting that sort of money and your life on that? I remember once I went around his house and in his room he had an office desk and an office chair (remember the dealer kingpin dream) and he just casually pulled a house brick-sized block of meth out from his desk drawer and started scraping a small amount off it to smoke as I was sitting there, while he casually talked about something else. Mindboggling.

But it all catches up with you...I'm still surprised he didn't get raided by the Police, but he lost pretty much everything including his health and money because he was smoking too much of it and not selling enough so had huge debts, he's back on the straight and narrow now as far as I am aware, but not without some strong intervention from his family pretty much regulating every aspect of his life.

[cram_it_frog]

smoked $5,000 worth of the stuff in one Saturday night,

so true but the big question is how did he pay for it through legit or ilegal means

much of the theft is all country's in because of the need for quick easy cash but drug users