Roundabout Incident - Who is at Fault?

[snap0964]

This is my favourite (the sign clears a few things up ?):

[Dave R]

I grew up 2 minutes from the roundabout in the video, travelled on it thousands of times. You can't take the first exit from the right lane, per the markings. Must take second or third exit. It's an awkward roundabout. I did my driving test at the RTA which used to be nearby to that location and the assessor took me through that roundabout twice (on the way out and the way back), no doubt they saw it as an easy way to challenge people.

[marty351]

So driving like Mr.Bean is OK. Got it.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by xeeclipse

Simple rational please!!!!



It's a single lane roundabout



cars turning right have two merging lanes



arrows on entry dictate right of way



case closed!!!

2 lane. Hand over your au. You don’t deserve it

[ozpacman]

The red car is in the right lane and the directional arrows for that lane show vehicles may either go straight ahead or turn right. The camera car is in the left lane and the directional arrows for that lane show vehicles may either turn left or go straight ahead.

A driver may not turn right from the left lane or left from the right lane.

The driver of the red car attempted to take that first left exit from the right lane. No can do old mate - here's your ticket.

What he (or she!) needed to do when he found himself in the incorrect lane was turn right as he is permitted to do, and basically do another lap of the roundabout and then take that exit safely instead of coming to grief like he did originally.

Russ.

[GCRXR6]

From just before, and at the point of contact, is that not a short length of unbroken line? This would mean the 4WD in left lane must continue to exit in the left lane, as you can't cross an unbroken line. To me, it appeared the 4wD was attempting to either continue around the roundabout to the next exit, or at least was changing to the right lane on that exit, which you can't do.

[Cav]

How easy is this?



The cam car attempted to cross an unbroken line to continue around the roundabout when he was in the lane to exit. FAIL

Next!

[X-AHH]

Refer to Post 7

[aussiblue]

Read the sign carefully guys:




and note they are exiting on the Boulevarde and the can driver might be intending to exit on Kiora Road. Cam driver is therefor in the right.

[Adamz Ghia]

So I sat down and watched the video again, I’ll change my vote to the red car at fault. The aerial picture did the trick for me. For some reason I thought the first exit was the continuation of the road.

[marty351]

The Cavalry has spoken.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Cav

How easy is this?

image

The cam car attempted to cross an unbroken line to continue around the roundabout when he was in the lane to exit. FAIL

Next!

As has been mentioned before, very poor road markings.

[aussiblue]

The Cavalry has spoken.

But is wrong this time.

[marty351]

From what I see, cam car should be exiting on kiora rd??? but goes into right lane from left hand side, trying to turn right?
What am I missing, if anything?
And from the painted markings cam car should still be in left lane.

[Citroënbender]

That’s a completely different roundabout, maybe 30km away.

[marty351]

Cluster****

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

From just before, and at the point of contact, is that not a short length of unbroken line? This would mean the 4WD in left lane must continue to exit in the left lane, as you can't cross an unbroken line. To me, it appeared the 4wD was attempting to either continue around the roundabout to the next exit, or at least was changing to the right lane on that exit, which you can't do.

The green sign and the road markings prior to the roundabout both indicate that left lane traffic can either go straight ahead or turn left, if the white line you highlight suggests traffic in the left lane cant cross it then it would mean the 'straight ahead' direction given on the sign etc. require vehicles in the left lane to exit at that point (Macquarie rd), the question then remains, where exactly is the 'left turn' which the sign also indicates, as there is no other place to exit before that white line.

As has been said, I think the signage suggests traffic in the left lane can continue straight ahead on Henderson rd or turn left onto Macquarie rd, but whoever lined the road made a mistake.
The question is, who do you believe, the people who put up the signage, or some contractor on a line marking machine?

[Franco Cozzo]

They're both at fault - clearly either of them didn't follow standard roundabout operating procedure

A) If in doubt, close eyes and wide open throttle

B) If its clear, stop at the roundabout anyway.

We need to pit these two drivers against one another at Melbourne's Haymarket Roundabout:

The sprawling Haymarket Roundabout at the northern end of Elizabeth Street, at the edge of the CBD, has four entry points, three tram stops, and carries 25,000 vehicles a day.

Or that silly one when you come into Adelaide which is like one roundabout feeding into another roundabout? Britannia Roundabout - cause when one roundabout and retarded Australian drivers isn't enough we can have twice the amount of fun

[aussiblue]

That’s a completely different roundabout, maybe 30km away.

But same rules apply.

[JasonACT]

Oh, how I don't miss Hobart: (No, I have not been everywhere.)

[JC]

I initially voted cam car, but after watching the video, I’d say 50/50. It actually doesn’t matter what the signs or road markings say, every driver has an onus to avoid a collision and neither driver did that in this case.

[JasonACT]

He was a di*k. And I don't like his muzak, that's for sure.

(But I did live in Hobart for far too long. 75' in an 80' zone in Canberra - ha! Try 40' in a 60' zone for 12 months in TAS!)

[prydey]

No wonder the roads are chaos. 3 pages in over a simple roundabout.

Wow. Just wow.

[JasonACT]

How about voting before commenting. That would really make a statement.

[marty351]

Electoral college votes may decide this.

[aussiblue]

The magistrate and/or insurance companies will too.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

How about voting before commenting. That would really make a statement.

At least 25 people need to resit their divers licence test or hand their licence in.

As per the lane markings, the right lane can't exit at the first exit, which is what the red car tried to do.

End of story.

Sure, the cam car could have shown more awareness but that doesn't make him in the wrong.

[JasonACT]

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been

[marty351]

Oh no! I'm going to fail my diving license.

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

That’s a completely different roundabout, maybe 30km away.

Yep, the Fiveways at Miranda. Just showing how clearer road signs can be.

Originally Posted by marty351

What am I missing, if anything?

You didn't pick it's a different roundabout - not taking a cheap shot (we've had enough of those in this thread !!), but it's not hard to see people will get confused with conflicting road signs/markings - I think the solid line (and there's one too on the opposite side of that roundabout too) is there for those on the roundabout RH lane turning right into that road, so those turning left don't try to merge too early.
As always, if you don't check your blindspot before making a lane change, etc, you take your life in your own hands.