The Nanny State thread - Page 3

4Vman · 07-04-2010, 03:10 PM

Food smells dont give you cancer...

snappy · 07-04-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

GOOD.

Why with out smokers you would have less people you could look down on.

MAD · 07-04-2010, 03:16 PM

I think it highlights well how stupid the idea to ban smoking from streets really is.

snappy · 07-04-2010, 03:25 PM

Maybe there should be a law for common sense.
Maybe there should be a law for common courtesy.
An scrap most of the rest .

But what i do think is going to happen if we dont stop to heading down the path that we are heading. Is we will end up with less right then living under a dictorship because instead of have one dictator we got thousands .
All wanting to pass a law because some little annoying thing gave them the shits .

MO · 07-04-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

What a ridiculous thing to post.

If you are going to make an argument from a smokers POV at least make it one with some substance. Sorry if that's a little harsh but come on mate.

I did say to you don't start this again. See what you've done!
I don't know what am I going to do with you.

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onfire · 07-04-2010, 05:31 PM

With all these laws and rules in place, how do we weed out the village idiots?

RG · 07-04-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

I did say to you don't start this again. See what you've done!
I don't know what am I going to do with you.

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Bad RG, that was unasseptable.

Off to the naughty corner I go lmao.

MO · 07-04-2010, 06:32 PM

Well I reckon I've heard it all now. Tonight on ch7 news a bloke who is in his 80s has been cutting the grass and tending the gardens at the local War Memorial,in honour of his fallen mates from WW2. He had been doing this for many ,many years,recently he was told by council workers to stop doing it.

Why,because it is councils job and he didn't comply with OH&S regs.

After lots of wrangling council has finally said he can continue to do what he was doing and they will provide him with all gear needed to comply with OH&S.

Where was this you ask....at Cotton Tree,Noosa.

So look out you may be required to comply with OH&S when you cut the grass on the street side of your place.

Auslandau · 07-04-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

The problem is most smokers believe it is their god given right to walk down a crowded street ciggy hanging by their side and leaving a trail of smoke as they go along.

The ones that do this along known running paths are the worst as when you're really sucking in wind the last thing you need is a lung full of smoke.

Perhaps payback with BO is in order

And guess what ... while its legal, to all the non smokers ... suck it up.

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Originally Posted by onfire

With all these laws and rules in place, how do we weed out the village idiots?

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**Full Noise** · 07-04-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by onfire

With all these laws and rules in place, how do we weed out the village idiots?

We have to wait for an election, however, most are as bad as each other. :hihi:

1970XW351 · 07-04-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

Well I reckon I've heard it all now. Tonight on ch7 news a bloke who is in his 80s has been cutting the grass and tending the gardens at the local War Memorial,in honour of his fallen mates from WW2. He had been doing this for many ,many years,recently he was told by council workers to stop doing it.

Why,because it is councils job and he didn't comply with OH&S regs.

After lots of wrangling council has finally said he can continue to do what he was doing and they will provide him with all gear needed to comply with OH&S.

Where was this you ask....at Cotton Tree,Noosa.

So look out you may be required to comply with OH&S when you cut the grass on the street side of your place.

Yeah, I just saw that and couldn't believe the crap... What a bunch of #(*&^^tards!!! "we reserve the right to do the work as you may be injured doing it (and sue us??)... sure, we won't do the job, but that's none of your concern, it's ours to do"... The whole system is farked! And it all starts with the education system.. I'm only 28, but even when I was in primary school and the right to cane was removed we all joked about sueing the principal if he lashed out, we never would have done so, due to having a reasonable sense of our place in society, but kids these days are given a ludicrous amount of free will and power and seem to be able to do as they please without fear of reprisal and in fact can count on wholehearted suport from the legal system (case in point, up here last week? a 13 year old boy slashed with a boxcutter and then raped a 15 year old girl, then when asked for a blood test, sobbed like a baby and hugged his mum becasue he was afraid of needles and instead simply had to offer a urine sample). This is great in many instances, but people don't seem to realise that they are just kids and need firm guidance...
And in terms of the rediculous laws being introduced, oh&s crap and whatnot... In my job I have noticed that if you just tell people what to do, then once they acknowlege it, come down on them hard when they blow it, they learn. Yet if you give them a list of things they can and can't do, they will instantly turn into lemmings and follow that list to the dot, whether or not it makes sense and they nearly instantly forget any previous training. Seems to me that if we head down this path much further we will all be a nice bunch of automatons, too scared to do anything for fear of instant death and those in power will easily be able to control us as they see fit... (yeah I know, extreme end of the scale mad ramblings, but this rubbish makes me cranky!)

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gtxb67 · 07-04-2010, 07:20 PM

i do not feel that my rights have diminsihed over the years
as a non smoker, i have never had the right to breathe fresh air - it has been a priviledge but not a right
as a someone who drinks very little, i have never had the right to go to a nightclub or into the city without some loud mouthed moron, stepping on my toes, spilling beer on me or just being an obnoxious idiot - once again, it is a priviledge, but not a right
there are many more examples but why bother. the hypocrisy by some in this and other threads is almost laughable

in fact one of the only rights i have alway had is still there. the right to drive my v8 apparently anti social car
contrary to popular belief, as long as i drive it in a safe and respectful manner, i do not get hassled - so all in all, by being respectful of others, my rights have not changed. the people who lack respect seem to cry the loudest about nanny states, but then again, that must be just me

MO · 07-04-2010, 07:25 PM

@gtxb67,stop your bloody whinging and harden up........yep its just you.

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XR8GRL · 07-04-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Food smells dont give you cancer...

No, but the food could give you some poisonous gas

haha

itchy brother · 07-04-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

Well I reckon I've heard it all now. Tonight on ch7 news a bloke who is in his 80s has been cutting the grass and tending the gardens at the local War Memorial,in honour of his fallen mates from WW2. He had been doing this for many ,many years,recently he was told by council workers to stop doing it.

Why,because it is councils job and he didn't comply with OH&S regs.

After lots of wrangling council has finally said he can continue to do what he was doing and they will provide him with all gear needed to comply with OH&S.

Where was this you ask....at Cotton Tree,Noosa.

So look out you may be required to comply with OH&S when you cut the grass on the street side of your place.

A few months ago i watched a show which had a retired guy in tassie who was getting finned by the council for going around town and cleaning up rubbish which people have thrown everywhere!
He had plenty of spare time and wanted to do something to make his home town look nicer for everyone and got a kick in the guts for his efforts!
At least after it was shown on ACA it shamed the council into clearing the stupid fines they showered the poor guy with !!!

vztrt · 08-04-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

GOOD.

There we go, responses like that are why were in the country were in. But as always when something doesn't effect someone, stupid laws get passed and then people complain.

vztrt · 08-04-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MO

So look out you may be required to comply with OH&S when you cut the grass on the street side of your place.

Of course, you could use some chemicals from Bunnings that could waft over to the joggers and give them cancer. lol

Fled74 · 08-04-2010, 09:09 AM

These happened in the UK, but from the looks of things we're not far behind.

Teachers leave 5-year-old boy in a tree because of health and safety

Granny gets ankle tag for selling a goldfish to a child

What's next, a law to stop me picking my nose when stopped at a red light?

grandpa_spec_F6 · 08-04-2010, 11:52 AM

I don't know about everyone else, but one of the laws I am actually in favour of is banning smoking in cars. Sure, you could argue its your god given right to do so, its your property, you pay taxes to drive it on the road through your rego, even if you don't have a car you still get road improvement tax. You pay for fuel, which is also taxed, however being a smoker myself, the number of times I've been about to light a smoke, looked up and gone "oh ******** that car in front just braked early!" was enough to put me off. You technically don't always have control of your vehicle as you are preocupied with something else, essentially it is another distraction from driving.

Thoughts?

MO · 08-04-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_au

I don't know about everyone else, but one of the laws I am actually in favour of is banning smoking in cars. Sure, you could argue its your god given right to do so, its your property, you pay taxes to drive it on the road through your rego, even if you don't have a car you still get road improvement tax. You pay for fuel, which is also taxed, however being a smoker myself, the number of times I've been about to light a smoke, looked up and gone "oh ******** that car in front just braked early!" was enough to put me off. You technically don't always have control of your vehicle as you are preocupied with something else, essentially it is another distraction from driving.

Thoughts?

If thats what happens with you then you need to learn to use your peripheral vision.
At no time do I not look at the road when lighting up or using ashtray.
They can't police a no smoking in cars so it wont happen.

4Vman · 08-04-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

If thats what happens with you then you need to learn to use your peripheral vision.
At no time do I not look at the road when lighting up or using ashtray.
They can't police a no smoking in cars so it wont happen.

Isn't it illegal to smoke in cars if there are children present as passengers?

Auslandau · 08-04-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

If thats what happens with you then you need to learn to use your peripheral vision.
At no time do I not look at the road when lighting up or using ashtray.
They can't police a no smoking in cars so it wont happen.

...... or doing a lane change, or reading a sign on the side of the road, or changing a CD, or chatting and having a glance at the passenger, or getting a drink out of the holder, or finding a cheeseburger out of the Macca's rapper, or telling the kids in the back to shut up, or just being able to know how to do everything at once ..... its about common sense, not legislation.

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Auslandau · 08-04-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Isn't it illegal to smoke in cars if there are children present as passengers?

Only so young kids do not get a lung full in an absolute enclosed arear ..... nothing to do with being able to drive and scratch at the same time.

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4Vman · 08-04-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Only so young kids do not get a lung full in an absolute enclosed arear ..... nothing to do with being able to drive and scratch at the same time.

Yep, nothing to do with safe driving however the point was made that the police couldnt enforce it, yet, under certain circumstances it is illegal..

MAD · 08-04-2010, 12:13 PM

There's plenty of smoking laws I agree with. Clubs, bars, restaurants, trains, cars with kids. But there is a line.

And as above, if you cant light a smoke in a car without crashing, you're doing something wrong.

grandpa_spec_F6 · 08-04-2010, 12:13 PM

One thing I would be in favour of in relation to driving is more education within the schooling system. I'm not blaming them by any means, but since driving is a major part of everyday life, as common sense seems to be scarce these days (although reading over my post above, the little I thought I had seems to be null and void now :P)

Rather than 'nanny state' people to death, why not educate or at least attempt to? I find I've always learnt best when something is demonstrated, not just explained or given to me in a book to read.

zdcol71 · 08-04-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fled74

These happened in the UK, but from the looks of things we're not far behind.

Teachers leave 5-year-old boy in a tree because of health and safety

Granny gets ankle tag for selling a goldfish to a child

What's next, a law to stop me picking my nose when stopped at a red light?

Have you actually been stopped next to someone at the lights and watched them !! Dam right there should be a law against it

grandpa_spec_F6 · 08-04-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by zdcol71

Have you actually been stopped next to someone at the lights and watched them !! Dam right there should be a law against it

Our primary school teacher once caught someone in class picking their nose, he simply said that you should stop the habbit now, because if you do it at the traffic light and someone hits you from behind, your finger would become stuck inside your brain, he nipped that one the bud for all of us haha

MO · 08-04-2010, 12:47 PM

@4Vman,re kids,car and smoking in QLD the kids have to be under the age of either 12 or 16 in regard to no smoking in the car with them in it. Can't remember the exact age.

@grandpa_spec_AU,while I don't disagree with what your saying I think it should be a combination of education and practical training starting at first year high school for example. To me the word educate means theory in this context.

grandpa_spec_F6 · 08-04-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

To me the word educate means theory in this context.

Sorry should have clarified, I was referring to a practical application rather than a theory based one, however they tend to go hand in hand with eachother, the emphises being on the pratical side of things however.

I think the summary of this thread would be that the nanny state laws as they are affectionatly known, are ineffective. Case and point, fireworks being banned. Kids in the street used to make them out of matchboxes and sparklers since they couldn't get their hands on the real deal. Sure it stopped a lot of accidents, but its made it even more dangerous for those that do wish to have some fun. People simply go out of their way to create something that could otherwise be taxed and controlled, to a point of course.