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12-12-2010, 04:19 PM | #61 | |||
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I have a feeling that FoA will struggle to justify another Territory against the new Explorer, put a V6 diesel in the FWD/AWD Explorer and it will do everything The new TDCI Territory does. It's not a big leap from there to realising that a mid sized and large sedan that share a lot of parts with Explorer may make a lot of sense for Australia. |
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12-12-2010, 04:39 PM | #62 | |||
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12-12-2010, 05:55 PM | #63 | |||
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To give you an example my Mrs Fiesta Zetec has bodykit, wheels, fog lights, Bluetooth, stereo that plays mp3s, voice activation, cruise control, power windows. The interior is well thought out with just enough quality plastics and looks funky-as at night with red ambient lighting. All for 22k. The new Focus will be the same if not better. How can you top that? I hope the Falcon and Commodore live on, but I think they will fill the niche that the Fairlane and Statesman once inhabited. |
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12-12-2010, 06:36 PM | #64 | |||
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In 2010, the decision to buy a 20ish K hatch over a base model Falcadore (30ish K) is a much easier one. |
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12-12-2010, 06:57 PM | #65 | ||
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Not to mention resale values, late model Falcon and Commodores, can't give them away. 7/2008 FG XR6 38,000ks $18,600 the other day at the auctions........
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12-12-2010, 06:58 PM | #66 | |||
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The Holden system will be Gas Injection, Liquid injection is on the Ford Only. Gas injection is harder to do than liquid injection BTW. Holden will have trouble getting it up and running too. |
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12-12-2010, 07:00 PM | #67 | |||
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12-12-2010, 07:10 PM | #68 | ||
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do ford and holden realise that falcons and commodores now are pretty much the same size as fairlanes and statoes from 20 years ago and so called small cars are really quite large thes days?
MAYBE they need to downsize a little bit and lighten the load??? Perception is everything and the common idiot thinks they're just huge gas guzzlers, and to an extent they are right I love them and what they stand for with comfort effortless driving in every way but in my driveway now is an FG beside my EB and the old EB is belittled by the FG maybe I'm looking at it differently and the wrong way but its a point none the less |
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12-12-2010, 07:25 PM | #69 | |||
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12-12-2010, 07:34 PM | #70 | |||
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I understand fully that for some people, the imported car will be the choice, and yes it'll often do a lot of things better than the locally made large car. For myself, I'll take the locally made item, for a few good reasons. 1. I've not got the money to fork out for a new car. Even if I did, it'd be a G6E DLPG or such. 2. I'd rather compromise on buying an Aussie made car - one made less than 15kms from my home, than buying an import that does things better. I love my country and will support the local industry. I'm happy to trade off a few of my own comforts or features to support the local industry. 3. I like big cars. On LPG, the cost of driving them is pretty cheap. 4. Parts are cheap and available everywhere. 5. I take long family trips a few times a year, and we have two growing girls. Our AU wagon does a stellar job for such trips. Sure, it doesn't have the interior or allure/kudos of a hot Euro import, but I feel proud as punch driving it. 6. Fords are good enough for me. I'm not really into whinging about what features it doesn't have. I don't need all the latest gear to feel important or that somehow I've made it. Before I finish the post, I'm not saying that all here who are advocating small Euro cars etc are trying to feel important. I can tell from your posts that most simply enjoy the driving experience that they offer. I fully get that. But there are of course lots of people who drive Euro stuff to feel "special", or make some kind of snobby statement. That's not me. Each to their own, but I'm proud to say that I love my Fords, love my Falcons. I'm grateful that they're still around and hope that's the case for a long time to come, and that I might continue to be able to afford the costs of running them and have the joy of owning them. GK
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12-12-2010, 07:50 PM | #71 | |||
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12-12-2010, 07:57 PM | #72 | |||
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the honda accord with its cylinder de activation is considered economical for a large car but is in fact no more economical than a falcon, which doesn't even have direct injection. smaller capacity forced induction is the new way forward and falcon have that coming. my fg is only 1L/100km more thirsty than my wife's ls focus. not exactly gas guzzling. GK - exaclty right. there is still a market for the large car. it will never be what it once was because of the range of choice on the market, but there is still a market for it. |
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12-12-2010, 08:16 PM | #73 | |||
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my BA, which spent almost no time on the freeway, never got better than 14L/100km. on the same roads, my GTI does 9L/100km. Is the FG 20-30% more economical than the BA? I cant see how an FG isnt going to get better than 13L/100km in my hands. as I've already mentioned, I'm not interested if it cant do better than 10L/100km. |
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12-12-2010, 08:50 PM | #74 | |||
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you make a lot of assumptions. fg is quite a bit more economical than ba. my ba was about 2L/100km worse than my fg. that works out to about 20%. also, just because it doesn't suit your situation, doesn't mean they are thirsty cars. the fact that with fuel and driver they are basically 2tonne, i think they are very good. |
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12-12-2010, 08:56 PM | #75 | |||
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doesnt matter how much power you throw at it, it will be noticed as soon as you have to stop or steer. |
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12-12-2010, 09:09 PM | #76 | ||
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Well the Holden boss says that Australians still want large cars. We shall wait and see what GMH have up their sleeves compared to what Ford are doing with the Falcon.
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12-12-2010, 09:30 PM | #77 | |||
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i find that a short sighted view. it stops and steers better than my focus. i guess with so much choice there is no excuse for not finding a car thats right for you. for me, i'll stick with large cars. 4 people plus luggage in comfort accross the country. that'll do me. |
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12-12-2010, 09:31 PM | #78 | |||
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I'd say thats exactly what a family car should have, space! Wait til the kids get a bigger and the GTI will be on the way out pretty quick. I think someone mentioned in this thread about the falcon's competition, its no longer only the commodore, families look to soft roaders and SUV's now, their versatility is the key. And I agree the Falcon now more than ever needs a sports style wagon. |
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Gas injection is EASIER to implement in single-fuel form than liquid injection in Australia also. This is due to requirements due to 'safety'.
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12-12-2010, 09:59 PM | #82 | |||
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are almost the same weight as corresponding FG Falcons. And that goes double for the Commodore variants too. |
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12-12-2010, 11:43 PM | #84 | |||
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Is it a valid comparison? If you're shopping for a 5 series, you can well afford the fuel bill that comes with the extra mass. OTOH, the Falcadore is marketed at average families. Average families have kids, mortgages, etc. Its laughable when someone suggests that the Falcon doesnt need to be more economical. When fuel prices spiked, which cars sales were the most affected? 10 years from now these same people will probably be on this forum whinging that the Falcon might still be around if only Ford had done this or that .... |
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Funny I get low 12 with my BF, the missus gets 11.2 with her FG (also her previous car was a 4cyl and it apparently isn't costing her that much more for fuel). What I'm paying a week for fuel doesn't bother me, people spend same/more on stuff that I find a waste of money but they find perfectly reasonable. Horses for courses.
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Even you're GTI isnt that light have a look how much heavier they are compared to older ones and see, they are round even par with every other hot hatch as well, these days it don,t matter what badge is on the front of a hot hatch they're all the same front drive turbo'd and all around the same weight |
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13-12-2010, 02:04 AM | #88 | |||
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At least it is different, and you aren't going to mistake it for a Commodore at a quick glance... I prefer the Superb Wagon, myself. Given this forums somewhat bloody-minded obsession with Wagons, I thought you may appreciate it a little more
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13-12-2010, 06:59 AM | #90 | ||
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"Australians still want large cars"? - yes but not Falcons it seems
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