E85 vs THE REST!

[graham_h]

$1.15 per litre ..... damn good buy

[TruBlu351]

Thanks for the vids! Looks like a damn pro stocker coming out of the hole carrying those front tyres low, flat and long!!

lol.......that brown escort was feeling lucky.....for about 7 seconds!!

[Giant]

Where can I buy E85 somewhere near WSID would be handy.

[graham_h]

http://www.caltex.com.au/HelpCentre/...ceStation.aspx

[TruBlu351]

and the other pump supplier is United in Rozelle. They always have the E85 without seasonal blending.

http://www.unitedpetroleum.com.au/site/rozelle-speedway

[rednose]

anyone have a link for a suitable metal filter and will it be ok for 98 aswell as e85?

[prasac]

Originally Posted by TruBlu351

Thanks for the vids! Looks like a damn pro stocker coming out of the hole carrying those front tyres low, flat and long!!

lol.......that brown escort was feeling lucky.....for about 7 seconds!!

the guy in the Escort came over after the run, having a similar *** end as the Capri he was wondering how we got it to behave the next hit told him TurboSmart eBoost2 is our best friend we went from sitting on the bar to a nice launch in under a minute, just the touch of a couple of keys to change the launch settings gotta love technology.

Originally Posted by Giant

Where can I buy E85 somewhere near WSID would be handy.

Caltex @ Pendle Hill it's about 15mins from WSID.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by rednose

anyone have a link for a suitable metal filter and will it be ok for 98 aswell as e85?

This is all I used. The previous filter was the same type and model. After 50,000km on the old filter using E85 blend, the fuel came out clean with no dirt build up or nothing. It looked like a new filter.

http://www.rycofilters.com.au/catalo...AUII/part/Z528

[prasac]

Originally Posted by rednose

anyone have a link for a suitable metal filter and will it be ok for 98 aswell as e85?

http://aeromotiveinc.com/products-page/fuel-filters/

[blueoval]

Hey Pras, do you have an estimated price on one of these? Also do you know what the longevity of these units last for?

[prasac]

most of the Aeromotive ones are around the $100-$150 mark, replacement elements i think are around $20. depends on how fine u go, the finer the filter the more crap it will catch.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by prasac

most of the Aeromotive ones are around the $100-$150 mark, replacement elements i think are around $20. depends on how fine u go, the finer the filter the more crap it will catch.

Sounds fair for removing as much impurities as possible. I may look into this when Im due to change my next filter.

[graham_h]

over did it a bit yesterday. put 35ltr in filled the tank mixed with BP Ultimate. Loss of power...confused computer.... oh well full it with Ultimate and all should be good.
Hopefully fuel pump isn't buggered !
A switchable tune would be great........... but is it possible for less than $1,000 ?

[rickyros]

Hey Paul, barrel buy vs pump fuel? E-flex and United

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by graham_h

over did it a bit yesterday. put 35ltr in filled the tank mixed with BP Ultimate. Loss of power...confused computer.... oh well full it with Ultimate and all should be good.
Hopefully fuel pump isn't buggered !
A switchable tune would be great........... but is it possible for less than $1,000 ?

With a J3, it's possible for that sort of money. They have a switchable board that can change tunes on the fly. Not like the xcal which involves turning off the car and reflashing for 30 secs.

Just refresh my memory Graham, is your car tuned for E85?

[graham_h]

No its not mate....just a stock BA XT. Xcal would be ideal....but a huge waste of $$. best to get rid of mine, get a XRT then get it tuned

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by graham_h

No its not mate....just a stock BA XT. Xcal would be ideal....but a huge waste of $$. best to get rid of mine, get a XRT then get it tuned

Oh crap, so you put in 35L of E85 with 98 on an untuned engine???

[graham_h]

Yup.....that bad ?

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by graham_h

Yup.....that bad ?

aaaah yes it is dude. Faaark. I wouldn't be driving around in the car with that mix untuned and unprepared. Get it syphoned out asap.

The reason I am running that kind of mix is because, I have bigger injectors and a bigger fuel pump as well as a tune. But I only run 25L of E85 and the rest in 98 as it is. My injectors are 36lbs, what are yours stock? 24lbs?

Dude, seriously I hope you havent damaged your engine.

[graham_h]

ok sounding bad
how could it have damaged the engine ?

[TruBlu351]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Get it syphoned out asap.

Don't drink too much of the ethanol ;)

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by graham_h

ok sounding bad
how could it have damaged the engine ?

Prasac could elaborate further on this, but the only problem is that non flex-fuel vehicles (inc E85) don't have the sensors necessary to detect ethanol content. They also don't have the control software to manage the air fuel mixture properly. So your car might run on E85, it just won't run well. This is where the tune comes in.

[TruBlu351]

Originally Posted by graham_h

ok sounding bad
how could it have damaged the engine ?

I got a hire car in Sweden a few years back where they are have tons of E85 at the pump.......that's before I'd heard of the stuff.

I just rock up at the bowser and see this real cheap stuff and think, what a deal, and fill er up! lol.....a non E85 compatible car now has a full tank of the stuff!!

It started and ran OK for a short while, but throughout the day the engine started to feel like it was running on 2 cylinders. Engine light eventually came on and with any slight acceleration or pulling up a hill it would miss and stumble in a big way. Finally realized what had happened and filled up an almost empty tank with ULP the next day but it continued to run crap

The stoich AFR for E85 is 9.8:1 compared to 14.7:1 for petrol, so if you just put heap of E85 without changing the tune, you can see how far out it'll be.....hence the reason for running like a dog.

The danger with doing this is that you are now running on a very lean mixture....ie: your new tune needs to add about 30-40% more fuel.

[Rns 13]

I have recently changed my engine from carb to efi and had it dynoed here in QLD its a:

250xflow
n/a 6 throttle body's
MoTeC ecu
MSD 6al
9.7:1 comp

Made:
On caltex vortex 98
345.5hp @ 6100rpm
333.3ftlb @ 4700rpm

changed to sucrgen E85 and appropriate tuning changes made:

353hp @ 6100rpm
336.7ftlb @ 4700rpm

We are now looking into the eflex sensor integration with the ecu so I can run caltex eflex.

[paddy351]

I have a 350hp 351 in my xw running a Holley blue electric pump with 1/2 inch fuel lines . Could I run e85 with a tune and jets . I looking into a turbo setup soon too so it may help with the turbo intake temp

[dieseltrain79]

You need to run an E85 carby as the Ethanol eats the seals and gaskets in the carby .

[TruBlu351]

You'd also need to get special E85 metering blocks as the passages are bigger to allow for the increase fuel flow.

There's a few companies out there that do carb conversions and or supply kits with an "approxiamate" tune setup.

Here's a good website to ask lots of those Q's.

http://www.e85performance.net/forums/index.php

[paddy351]

I looked it up , you need to change your main jets , power valve and exceletator pump to suit the fuel . So a full rebuild or an e85 carb is needed.

[paddy351]

I saw you can drill out your metering block .

[paddy351]

Originally Posted by TruBlu351

You'd also need to get special E85 metering blocks as the passages are bigger to allow for the increase fuel flow.

There's a few companies out there that do carb conversions and or supply kits with an "approxiamate" tune setup.

Here's a good website to ask lots of those Q's.

http://www.e85performance.net/forums/index.php

Chears mate, great website and lots of people running it successfully