Ford Mustang isn't good enough for the NSW police - Page 3

**Revolver** · 22-03-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Lol. I learn something new every day from speshal people.

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

If that was true, which it's not, it would be almost as cheap to import your own and convert it here... Which it's not.

Ok, so a Mustang GT here in OZ, from what I've browsed on carsales, lowest brand new off the floor 61k. .

Equivalent Mustang in Murika 33,295 factoring in exchange rate at 70c to their dollar: 44,283 in Aussie dollars. That's a 16k plus change difference.

That's the cheapest. I'm seeing 80k as a popular price around the block

Someone please tell me. Is 44k close enough to halfway to 80? It's sure under 2/3rds. Unless the rules of mathematics have changed since the last time I checked, I believe I'm right.

Ok sure, there has to be some import costs, some taxes, all fair enough. But when your importing cars in bulk just as every car manufacturer does in OZ, you'd be getting some kind of discount.

That doesn't add up to an extra 16k (or 36k, pick your poison) in import costs per unit for a bulk imported product!

EDIT. I see my original post says 1/3rd. It was meant to be 2/3rds.

But the reasoning still stands....

Pedro · 22-03-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Then there's the times when Mr Plod is doing 110kmh and finds someone doing 150kmh going the other way.

They then have to stop, turnaround and catch them. Kinda hard to do in a 'normal' grocery getter .

I think your example may fall under Qld Police policy .....

10.5.5 Risk assessment
POLICY
Officers are to consider that death or serious injury to any person may be a consequence of conducting a pursuit. Where the pursuit would expose the police, public or the occupants of the pursued vehicle to unjustifiable risk, it should not be commenced or if commenced, should be abandoned in accordance s.

G6E-T · 22-03-2016, 12:39 PM

how the **** did they overheat the 6r80 zf copy in 3 mins. Guarantee my zf has seen worse with zero issues...

also how is the wrx not on the radar, 4doors awd, a boot, enough power not heaps...well within the budget...didnt NSW use them many moons ago?

roddy1960 · 22-03-2016, 12:39 PM

G'day all...I'm trying to picture a couple of heavy drunken bruisers trying to be slung in the back to go to the slammer to dry out... in a Mustang...Mmmm...I think the paddy wagons will get a bit of a work out..She'd look alright though with all the lights and sirens..The one where the tranny cooler overheated...I wonder who gets that ?..Cheers Rod

**Giant Cranium** · 22-03-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolver

Ok, so a Mustang GT here in OZ, from what I've browsed on carsales, lowest brand new off the floor 61k. .

Equivalent Mustang in Murika 33,295 factoring in exchange rate at 70c to their dollar: 44,283 in Aussie dollars. That's a 16k plus change difference.

That's the cheapest. I'm seeing 80k as a popular price around the block

Someone please tell me. Is 44k close enough to halfway to 80? It's sure under 2/3rds. Unless the rules of mathematics have changed since the last time I checked, I believe I'm right.

Ok sure, there has to be some import costs, some taxes, all fair enough. But when your importing cars in bulk just as every car manufacturer does in OZ, you'd be getting some kind of discount.

That doesn't add up to an extra 16k (or 36k, pick your poison) in import costs per unit for a bulk imported product!

EDIT. I see my original post says 1/3rd. It was meant to be 2/3rds.

But the reasoning still stands....

Mustang in our spec is more like 39000usd. We are premium pack and half of the performance pack. Add transport half way around the world. Internal transport and custom prices. Dealer margin and it's pretty close to the 63000aud that people are paying

**Giant Cranium** · 22-03-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by G6E-T

how the **** did they overheat the 6r80 zf copy in 3 mins. Guarantee my zf has seen worse with zero issues...

also how is the wrx not on the radar, 4doors awd, a boot, enough power not heaps...well within the budget...didnt NSW use them many moons ago?

They are to small for a cop with gear belt and hwp issued gut

Jess1992 · 22-03-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by G6E-T

how the **** did they overheat the 6r80 zf copy in 3 mins. Guarantee my zf has seen worse with zero issues...

also how is the wrx not on the radar, 4doors awd, a boot, enough power not heaps...well within the budget...didnt NSW use them many moons ago?

I can't see why they won't go with the WRX as it makes sense

And yes NSW cops had to use them for the early 2000s as the couldn't catch all the ram raiders using WRXs. If you can beat them, join them

roddy1960 · 22-03-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Heard on the grapevine this morning that if no suitable replacement is found for the XR and SS, a move will be made to ban many high performance cars.

It is just hearsay, but I wouldn't put it past govco to make such a boner move.

G'day...Don't cop cars in MURICA get built to their spec's from day one to live their lives as cop cars only..Not a bad idea to be honest..Then the unsuspecting public wouldn't get the buggered up hand in's as often as they do now..with more holes than swiss cheese drilled for this and that..Same with Taxi's.and other emergency services vehicles too..Maybe Ford and GMH should have gone down that path instead of closing manufacturing altogether Get 2-300,000 out of them , then recycle them for other duties then in the crusher at end of days..I bought an ex-plod car once..NEVER AGAIN..Nothing but trouble from day one..Cheers Rod..

Anchor · 22-03-2016, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolver

Ok, so a Mustang GT here in OZ, from what I've browsed on carsales, lowest

Etc etc etc etc

But the reasoning still stands....

Usually i'd spend the time and give you all the costs associated with importing a vehicle, as you can see below i've done this exact process. But I cbf'd.
Basically, with the dollar where it's at now we're right on par with what they pay including all the gov junk. MINUS the conversion to RHD. Yes, this probably doesn't cost them much after the initial retooling. But whatever. At the end of the day we're getting a good deal, especially when we had customers prepared to pay 80k and not 60k for a GT Manual.

Sometimes I wish they were more expensive so the wait times weren't as high and customer satisfaction would be increased. Those who didn't like the price wouldn't be customers. Oh well.

**Fordman1** · 22-03-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolver

Ok, so a Mustang GT here in OZ, from what I've browsed on carsales, lowest brand new off the floor 61k. .

Equivalent Mustang in Murika 33,295 factoring in exchange rate at 70c to their dollar: 44,283 in Aussie dollars. That's a 16k plus change difference.

That's the cheapest. I'm seeing 80k as a popular price around the block

Someone please tell me. Is 44k close enough to halfway to 80? It's sure under 2/3rds. Unless the rules of mathematics have changed since the last time I checked, I believe I'm right.

Ok sure, there has to be some import costs, some taxes, all fair enough. But when your importing cars in bulk just as every car manufacturer does in OZ, you'd be getting some kind of discount.

That doesn't add up to an extra 16k (or 36k, pick your poison) in import costs per unit for a bulk imported product!

EDIT. I see my original post says 1/3rd. It was meant to be 2/3rds.

But the reasoning still stands....

A performance pack GT fastback is $39790.

10% GST = $3979

10 % tariff = $3979

total = $US 47748

Exchange rate of yours is 70 cents

That makes it $68,211

Most GT fast backs are going for about $AU 65,000 here.

Hardly twice the price

Anchor · 22-03-2016, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

A performance pack GT fastback is $39790.

10% GST = $3979

10 % tariff = $3979

total = $US 47748

Exchange rate of yours is 70 cents

That makes it $68,211

Most GT fast backs ate going for about $65,000

Hardly twice the price

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4k in a container.
1k in gov random junk they hit you with at customs.
1k in freight from factory to port/port to your dealer.
2k in sd/rego.

Then add in a few more dollars, cause nothing ever goes to plan when you personal import a vehicle from the states

**Fordman1** · 22-03-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

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4k in a container.
1k in gov random junk they hit you with at customs.
1k in freight from factory to port/port to your dealer.
2k in sd/rego.

Then add in a few more dollars, cause nothing ever goes to plan when you personal import a vehicle from the states

My prices are factory import

**GasoLane** · 22-03-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro

I think your example may fall under Qld Police policy .....

10.5.5 Risk assessment
POLICY
Officers are to consider that death or serious injury to any person may be a consequence of conducting a pursuit. Where the pursuit would expose the police, public or the occupants of the pursued vehicle to unjustifiable risk, it should not be commenced or if commenced, should be abandoned in accordance s.

I wasn't talking pursuit conditions. Just the usual Stop, Turn, Chase that's seen daily on Interstate Highways.

Trump · 22-03-2016, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day...Don't cop cars in MURICA get built to their spec's from day one to live their lives as cop cars only..Not a bad idea to be honest..Then the unsuspecting public wouldn't get the buggered up hand in's as often as they do now..with more holes than swiss cheese drilled for this and that..Same with Taxi's.and other emergency services vehicles too..Maybe Ford and GMH should have gone down that path instead of closing manufacturing altogether Get 2-300,000 out of them , then recycle them for other duties then in the crusher at end of days..I bought an ex-plod car once..NEVER AGAIN..Nothing but trouble from day one..Cheers Rod..

There is one problem with your idea: no factory RHD, no care as far as the local constabulary is concerned.

As for Ford and GM keeping the lines running solely to provide for the police... bahahahahahahaha.

The Yeti · 22-03-2016, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by irvinnie

I did 8 years in the NSW hihhway patrol and never did that or heard of anyone doing it.

But we musnt let actual experience and knowledge of the hwy patrol get in the way of a good story should we?

mik · 22-03-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

Hmm, if I'm not mistaken, the XR6t was knocked back as a hwp car due to the brakes not making the grade. Ford then updated the brakes for them to be accepted.

So fairs fair, the Mustang could have its auto trans cooler uprated to handle Police use, I'm sure you'd agree?

Yes its no biggy , but just a bit surprising knowing it was going to get a hiding by the police drivers one would have thought an auto cooler would have been fitted as the norm , a bit of an oversight probably.

Anchor · 22-03-2016, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

My prices are factory import

Your 39790 is D/A? Roughly. For CA anyway.
Just comparing apples to apples.

dmat2391 · 22-03-2016, 06:01 PM

can't help but think this is click bait for us enthusiasts, (well ford nuts

).
Yeah, one test one fail, last time I checked didn't constitute a statistically significant result.

Love Ford... but if H W patrol becomes Volvo, well I hate Volvo anyway, because I grew up in the 80's and only bad things happened to others when a Volvo was around

**Revolver** · 22-03-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

A performance pack GT fastback is $39790.

10% GST = $3979

10 % tariff = $3979

total = $US 47748

Exchange rate of yours is 70 cents

That makes it $68,211

Most GT fast backs are going for about $AU 65,000 here.

Hardly twice the price

Ok, so I may have gotten figures fixed up.

Even so, I hardly see the value in a Mustang.

Sabantien · 22-03-2016, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Heard on the grapevine this morning that if no suitable replacement is found for the XR and SS, a move will be made to ban many high performance cars.

It is just hearsay, but I wouldn't put it past govco to make such a boner move.

I'm pretty sure there's already a huge amount of cars on the road that can outrun a Commodore or Falcon. It would not make sense to do that.

I'm sure they'll find something suitable, but yes, it will probably cost more.

That said, it might be one more step to ditching the luxury tax on european cars.

mike_nofx · 22-03-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabantien

Don't they use the ZF?

Milkshake?

You know that its not the fault of the gearbox when it milkshakes right?

GTLEGEND · 22-03-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Didn't Ford provide the car?

No they did not, the Police approached a dealer ordered one just like you and I would. No input from Ford!!

2011G6E · 22-03-2016, 08:02 PM

How "tough" are they though?
I mean for a start Ford warns you specifically to never even think of trying to fit a towbar or attempt towing with the Mustang...

Kind of speaks to how durable they are...

Keep in mind that test car was probably weighed down with "the usual kit" that police cars carry, which is a bloody lot of extra weight.

XR Martin · 22-03-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolver

Ok, so I may have gotten figures fixed up.

Even so, I hardly see the value in a Mustang.

What RWD V8 2 door cars are you comparing its value to?

Trump · 22-03-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabantien

I'm pretty sure there's already a huge amount of cars on the road that can outrun a Commodore or Falcon. It would not make sense to do that.

I'm sure they'll find something suitable, but yes, it will probably cost more.

That said, it might be one more step to ditching the luxury tax on european cars.

It doesn't stop the rumour mill though.

But as I mentioned earlier, I can see either team putting up such a proposal and trying to spin all sorts of poo to sell it.

b2tf · 22-03-2016, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Personally I hope HWP stay well away from Mustangs. The Mustang brand is very strong in Australia. Hopefully Ford don't harm it by offering them to law enforcement. How are you Mustang owners going to feel when NSW police are dumping these things after 12 months with 80,000km for pennies at auctions?

No different to the F6 owners, or XR6T or SS owners who have that now. They're just cars.

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Heard on the grapevine this morning that if no suitable replacement is found for the XR and SS, a move will be made to ban many high performance cars.

Your grapevine has obviously tapped in to your sewer because that's utter BS.

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Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

No they did not, the Police approached a dealer ordered one just like you and I would. No input from Ford!!

Negative. Vehicle supplied for testing directly from Ford, stock standard with no special mods or secret super dooper ultra mega cool stuff. The whole idea is to try it "off the shelf" and see what works - and what doesn't.

AussieCJ7 · 22-03-2016, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolver

Ok, so I may have gotten figures fixed up.

Even so, I hardly see the value in a Mustang.

That maybe the case for you, however based on your car's in you sig I bet you are not the buyer that they are aiming their value proposition at.

Marketing doesnt aim at selling new cars to people who see value in driving a car at half a million K's

Not wrong with either option just dont expect someone who see's value in new cars to appreciate a half million k car, nor visa versa

mik · 22-03-2016, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

No they did not, the Police approached a dealer ordered one just like you and I would. No input from Ford!!

if thats the case , then its on the police that it failed the test, they should have known it would require an auxillery cooler imo.

Trump · 22-03-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Your grapevine has obviously tapped in to your sewer because that's utter BS.

It was on the radio this morning, so get over yourself.

Moby Vic · 22-03-2016, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

How "tough" are they though?
I mean for a start Ford warns you specifically to never even think of trying to fit a towbar or attempt towing with the Mustang...

Kind of speaks to how durable they are...

That likely has more to do with suspension geometry. It's a performance car. It's not set up for towing.

Ford offers trucks for that.

Ford hasn't offered a police package for the Mustang since the 1993 model year.