East Coast floods

[FTE217]

I hear you CB but what more can you do.
I think the reaction was way better than before but its a no win situation.
This weather pattern you can't beat no matter the amount of support unless you built 50 Arks in ready for evacuations.
No amount of sand bags etcetc is gonna beat raging flooding.

After the 2nd one as long as myself and family had the funds you'd seriously think we got to move - at least to the areas close by that normally don't get the worst of it or out of flooding reach, there's enough evidence now and at least your still living close by to your connections etc......

[Citroënbender]

With those motors and such a minimalist hull, I reckon this would really get up and boogie:

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

With those motors and such a minimalist hull, I reckon this would really get up and boogie:

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Its not intended for performance. Being a flat bottom punt its more to sit higher in the water, ie be able to be used in shallower water then a normal v hull boat. So better for the purposes its being used. Dual motors are better for manoeuvring in some scenarios, but especially for this purpose its also a dual redundancy. If for whatever reason one motor dies or the leg gets damaged by underwater debris, it'll still work with just one motor.
I thinks its a bit absurd. 1 flood, yeah it happens on occasion i guess. 2 floods, well, thats nuts, but round 3 in not a huge amount of time?

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

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https://www.livetraffic.com/traffic-...r-road-windsor

Looks worse than the three inundations prior.

I feel - without subjective proof - that the reality of life for people in some of these repeatedly flooded areas, is no longer resonating with a growing army of chiefs and spokespersons. Yes, many would in a sense be more prepared than ever before - yet also more weary, and lucky if they’ve had time to recover from the last event.

Yesterday I only just made it out, I was very lucky. We all thought it might go under Monday arvo. When I went over on Saturday at lunch it was really low, hadn't even started coming up yet. Crazy how quickly it went under.

I wasn't even checking the reports and only got out, out of pure luck. On the way out I stopped to get a coffee and one of the old cockys was in there. "No way this'll be as bad as Feb mate, the ants didnt even build their shelter nests, she'll be right"

No doubt his farm is back under now

[csv8]

All the recent floods. Unseasonal rain in Central Queensland etc is caused by geo-engineering. Part of the New World Order....

[roKWiz]

Looks like they nearly had another "Pasha Bulker" moment with a stranded cargo ship drifting towards Wanda beach.

[blueoval]

feeling for those who have to through this the second & third time in the past 6 months. This is heart breaking to see

[Citroënbender]

If there’s any great positive in the current floods, it’s that damage is less widespread across the state.

More roads closed today, water levels higher than twelve hours ago.

[FTE217]

saying 32mm overnight but it sounded like another 100 came down really.
Just didn't stop.
Low and behold got up this morning and getting ready to leave my son came back in saying a gum has fallen across the road.
I checked it out thought bugger this and I know was wrong I moved 2 cars out having to go under the trunk, it was pretty secure having sussed it out for Ausgrid and SES would be down soon enough and be stuck indoors with no power.
I needed to get to my office....hence typing this.
Ausgrid SES are at it now clearing it up the treasures they are.

[Citroënbender]

The Blackheath area rail easement landslip - makes me feel ill to look at. Could have been a really bad accident.

[Citroënbender]

A few pictures, clipped from 9News articles and the NSW Live Traffic website:

Windsor Bridge at peak flood level yesterday.



Beemer, you silly bugger in a Beemer! Can you drive across in a flood, oh no!
(Apologies to Supertramp)



I don’t think it would have taken much shaking for the ballast to displace and the track shifting.



Snorkel FTW! Rescued by Police.

[Citroënbender]

Thinking of members, their families and communities affected by the current flooding. Topography and saturated ground is not being kind. Some of the rainfall amounts are almost incomprehensible.

[blueoval]

Those in Vic I feel for. Just a never ending nightmare that continues to be relentless at every turn :(

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

With those motors and such a minimalist hull, I reckon this would really get up and boogie:

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as a former SES Coxswain, in fast moving flood water you need HP to combat current. SES flood rescue boats (FRB's) and crew need to be able to go where others can't or won't

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Thinking of members, their families and communities affected by the current flooding. Topography and saturated ground is not being kind. Some of the rainfall amounts are almost incomprehensible.

It is starting to subside here, but it is on its way to Echuca.

They copped some of the flooding from up north, then the Campaspe, now all the rivers that flow into the Goulburn (Victoria's largest river) and the Goulburn flood are heading to Echuca. The Goulburn meets the Murray to the east of Echuca

Many of the inland NSW rivers eventually make their way to the Murray, it is the low point

Our house was fine, although in 1993 our street was flooded but not this time, however we had to evacuate our daughter, she lives alone and is 2 streets from a creek than runs into the Goulburn, her street went under quickly and she was worried, but by yesterday all water had gone from her street.

When developing Shepp over the last few years Council have allowed new housing estates to be built along side existing rivers and creeks, BUT the blocks had to be higher than any previous floods. So they bought in heaps of dirt to raise the levels of the blocks. Now if you have a bsic understanding of hydrology you will understand that by doing that it just pushes any potential flood water somewhere else. I think that is what has happened to Mooroopna, all the water that would have inundated those river/creek flats that are now housing estates has made its way to the other side, which is where the older parts (including the shopping centre) of Mooroopna are - Council will have a lot of explaining to do me thinks

[Citroënbender]

I have a good mate with a weekend place in Echuca, he has lots of “family memorabilia” there and it’s perilously close to the Campaspe. Hoping it’s spared but ready to help him if the water gets in.

Poor form by the BOM to try directing focus onto changing their official name in the middle of a disaster. Inside word is the organisation’s not running well as it did, or could - management not meshing happily with technical requirements.

[T3rminator]

Feels a bit surreal that we can have perfect sunshine weather in Melb, and at the same time hear that some parts of Vic will be peaking with the floods at the same time.

Saw that Brisbane - Byron Bay area might be getting 300mm of rain in the next 7 days....that was 2 days ago.....so next 5 days? Yikes!

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I have a good mate with a weekend place in Echuca, he has lots of “family memorabilia” there and it’s perilously close to the Campaspe. Hoping it’s spared but ready to help him if the water gets in.

Poor form by the BOM to try directing focus onto changing their official name in the middle of a disaster. Inside word is the organisation’s not running well as it did, or could - management not meshing happily with technical requirements.

Not sure why people are up in arms about this, tbh. Big deal if they want to be called something other than the current acronym. I mean, calling an organisation that forecasts some wild weather for this country the 'BoM' probably doesn't make a lot of sense. And apparently the change was put in place prior to the last election, so it's not like it's a new thing. And it's not like all of the resources going into forecasting and predicting the floods are suddenly going to be redirected to changing the name of the org. Excuse the very poor pun, but, storm in a teacup. (IMHO).

Sad to hear that there's been another fatality attributed today to the devastation hitting Victoria's north atm. My cousin lives in Shepparton, but is, thankfully, all ok.

Hope all of the AFF members up that part of the world are all ok, too.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Feels a bit surreal that we can have perfect sunshine weather in Melb, and at the same time hear that some parts of Vic will be peaking with the floods at the same time.

Saw that Brisbane - Byron Bay area might be getting 300mm of rain in the next 7 days....that was 2 days ago.....so next 5 days? Yikes!

Windy has a useful tool that is zoomable and shows rain accumulation over the next 12 hours, 24 hours, 3, 5 and 10 days. https://www.windy.com/-Show---add-mo....828,138.604,5 If you want to know what the accumulation is at a particular place just click on the map to drop a pin and it will provide the actual amount.

[Trevor 57]

Jane Bunn has her own website, now before all the words about her, she has a Bachelor in Meteorology, a Bachelor in Maths and a Bachelor in Science - she is no dummy

https://janesweather.com/

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Jane Bunn has her own website, now before all the words about her, she has a Bachelor in Meteorology, a Bachelor in Maths and a Bachelor in Science - she is no dummy

https://janesweather.com/

I named my XR8 after her!

[DFB FGXR6]

I posted about these floods in my own thread, mainly as a way getting thoughts and anxiety out of my head.

Thankfully, my home was spared but the water was only a few streets away and I was getting pretty agitated for a while there. My anxiety will have been nothing compared to those who were stranded by flood water or had their homes destroyed. As I mentioned in my thread, water rising out of the drains is a silent, eerie feeling that is scary to watch.





My father lost his retirement project further upstream in Nagambie, the water was beyond the window line. Thankfully this is not his permanent residence, but the amount of effort that went into this place and how hard he has worked all his life, it's a kick in the teeth.





The next shot is from my boss who was stranded in his home as the water flooded up from a reserve and into his back yard, flooding his brand-new shed that he built himself.



These are from a friend who was also stranded for a few days. Thankfully her home was spared.

This is how it starts................



Within hours this is what she was looking out on for days...........























These were taken Monday morning I believe of main street -





This was main street yesterday after the water had gone down -





This was published today from overhead -



I'm glad things are improving, but still a long road for many.

[Trevor 57]

Glad things are settling for you. I was in the SES in 1993 and had a lot to do with the flood back then. It can be very daunting, but unless people do dumb stuff they are generally safe. Fires can be worse in that regard.

I think the council are going have to do some serious answering after these floods. If you think about most of the new housing developments here, they are along the river. Think south from Riverside, all the way out past the airport, then think of the new estates behind DECA and on the river towards the cemetery - they ALL had dirt bought in to raise the house blocks about previous flood levels, that sounds great, but all it has done has pushed water into areas it might not have gone to in the past. I honestly believe most of Mooroopna's flooding was caused by these new Shepparton housing developments. They have pushed the water onto the Mooroopna side

[Trevor 57]

and you can back it in Insurance Companies are going to be arseholes. They copped a flooging up north so they will be difficult to deal with for us

And expect a HUGE increase in insurance premiums next year. The house we own that our daughter rents is one street back from a creek, it wasn't flooded due to that extra dirt bought in, but we got a notice back in August that our insurance jumped from $1200 per year to nearly $8000. We changed to Bendigo Bank Insurance as they have a river flood clause, they are underwritten by CGU (part of the Suncorp duopoly), It was $2200, but not $8000

[Trevor 57]

Feeling for Echuca, Old Toolamba (as they were forgotten) and Rochester

[FTE217]

yer sad to see no matter where......hope recovery is swift enough but I suspect not for many.
Trev re the Insurance companies, it no matter when and who went through natural disataters before your beloved Vic.
We all know they play hard ball no matter what and when.
Been their DNA forever.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I think the council are going have to do some serious answering after these floods. If you think about most of the new housing developments here, they are along the river.

Read that one of the councils (Shepparton?) had recommended that a levee be built years ago to protect against any future floods. The community voted against it multiple times, because it would destroy their views and landscapes. So not always govs fault.

But seriously, who saw this coming from years away? We came out of a decade long drought not long ago, so bad that at one stage we weren't even allowed to bucket wash our cars, and now this..... mother nature giving us a fair warning I think.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Read that one of the councils (Shepparton?) had recommended that a levee be built years ago to protect against any future floods. The community voted against it multiple times, because it would destroy their views and landscapes. So not always govs fault.

But seriously, who saw this coming from years away? We came out of a decade long drought not long ago, so bad that at one stage we weren't even allowed to bucket wash our cars, and now this..... mother nature giving us a fair warning I think.

Shepp has had serious floods every 20 years and minor ones about every 10 years in between, there is no secret Shepparton will flood

Levee banks full stop are a problem as all they do is force the water somewhere else and in some cases retain water behind the levee, and that is happening in Shepp right now. Yes a landscaped levee was built years and years ago on parts of the Goulburn River and they are the ones with water now behind the levee, as most flooding in Shepparton occurs when the flood water comes up through the storm water system, as all storm water is piped into the Goulburn (and subsidiaries)

These new housing developments have formed a kind of levee, it has pushed water to lower place, i.e. Mooroopna

[DFB FGXR6]

I was chatting to a rather prominent person in the community the other day and his comments on the location of the Mooropna power substation were damming.

This built in an area known to flood and has been there for long enough that a concrete barrier should have been built around it to mitigate this sort of thing. Instead, they put sandbags around it and left it to flood. Thousands were left without power for days.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Levee banks full stop are a problem as all they do is force the water somewhere else

I'm sure the residents next to Flemington race course will agree with you......