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18-07-2014, 06:14 PM | #61 | ||
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Yep, and you were posting your response as I was posting mine...
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18-07-2014, 06:18 PM | #62 | ||
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unfortunately armed conflicts will always happen and when it does innocent people get hurt or killed like we saw today.the only consolation is that the Boeing 777's pasanger capacity is 440 Max. so the death toll could have been higher
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18-07-2014, 06:22 PM | #63 | ||
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Russia lost allot of territory post Soviet Union and many argue those lost territories would be better off under Russia's wing. With the living conditions in allot of post soviet countries atm I find it hard to argue otherwise but this is a direct act of terrorism. Despite the civil war there is no way the russian separatists need to start targeting foreign aircraft atm.
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18-07-2014, 06:23 PM | #64 | |||
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That's just my personal view, however...
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18-07-2014, 06:24 PM | #65 | |||
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18-07-2014, 06:29 PM | #67 | |||
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That said, I'd imagine that those aircraft would have similar "profiles" (i.e cruising speed/altitude etc), so point taken...
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18-07-2014, 06:30 PM | #68 | ||
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The bigger worry is theres nothing to stop a russian nutty with sympathy for the musilm terrorists cause to send some of these buk missles there way something more to worry about it could be anywhere anytime.
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Putin has such a strong hand atm it's hard to tell what will happen. The US can't handle this alone (although many expect them too) but this time I think post Cold War the rest of the world won't back them like last time. Slow and steady will win the race for Russia.
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from the ground they would have seen a plane flying in what they would have thought as a war zone. in a size and configuration of a large military cargo plane. or so their brain would have thought.believe me im not siding with them by no means, but you do need to play devil's advocate in these matters as (we wern't there)i feel for all parties that lost loved ones and ill be honnest, when i saw it on the tv this morning i got very emotional. went through anger then sadness etc.
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wife came in this morning and turned of the radio telling me that an airline with Australians been shot down.
the issue for here was to get the kids ready for school without the TV on to upset the m before facts came in. My 4 years old running around BOOMING stuff-as I did when I was little. My little contact with this part of the world has been post WW11 refugees and some very different post soviet economic refugees.
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Gut feel is that this event will have much broader ramifications, which we are yet to fully understand and appreciate. Regards, Michael
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I would have thought if you had the hardware to bring down an aircraft and particularly at that height then you would have the hardware to tell you what you were shooting it at.
I don't know what angle they would be playing at in shooting down a commercial aircraft but was it really an accident? |
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Seriously, your posts are thoughtful and well-reasoned, so I think we're in reasonably broad agreement.
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from 7 miles high without satelite imagery there is no way to tell.
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Qantas, Emirates and Cathay Pacific have been flying around the Ukraine conflict for months citing safety before the extra time & fuel costs.
We all look for the best deal when travelling.. Maybe now we'll look further than simply price?
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Many officials are saying a qualified operator can define targets at that range anyway. Which just opens up more questions really. These aren't just weapons you can walk down to the local 7/11 and pick up.
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yeah Biased its just something i know a bit about. forign weapons systems and tactics. so i thought i would (sit on this thread) so no one jumps to any conclusions.
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yes you can define an outline of an aircraft from that height. but you cant see if it is a commercial airliner or not. you wont be able to see any markings with out using a satelite.
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(Shudder to think)
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Stop "needling me" (LOL). The corollary to that argument is is that "without satellite imagery", should one be taking the risk that what they are shooting at is - indeed - not what they should be shooting at? (And that's before we get into dissecting the "highly commercially trafficked airspace" discussion)... Two thoughts occur to me "post your post"... 1) If you "can't tell", why fire? 2) Why fire (at all) in an airspace known to be heavily trafficked by commercial airliners? These are just questions which occur; no angst. Regards, Michael
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And they don't have fighter jets than can tail a plane and get a visual before blowing away 298 people?
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The conflict hasn't even escalated to the point of shooting down enemy planes. That's why this is such a shock to everyone.
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officials also said that the aircraft was scattered over 8 kms of ground which only tells me that it was a large surface to air missile. it would have detonated before impact to cause the most damage and disintergrate half the aircraft.the pilots would have had 30 seconds notice at best. all commercial aircraft are fitted with a warning when missile locked.
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i agree. but at the same time a warning was sent out not to travel through that airspace. why were they there??? some airlines put the mighty$ before lives. now yes they havent escolated to this but there was a posibility
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^^^^ that's absolute rubbish !! See my post above.
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they are militia not working directly with the Russians and they are directly against the Ukraine. so they do not have aircraft in large numbers.so they wont use them to trail a plane. cost too much and remember they would think the airspace is not inuse for commercial airliners because in their mind it is a warzone.
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so how would you tell?
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