Is a 1990 Holden HSV VN Worth $1mill+ ???

[98TLS]

Have never understood the fuss re what someone pays or not for whatever when it comes to cars or anything else to be fair,there money there passion so good luck to em,if indeed i was fortunate enough to have a lazy 1/2 mill sitting about i would spend however much of it i had to to buy the nicest XW GT (in green please) i could find,for many the car itself means far more than the money and if there lucky enough to have deep pockets then good on them for paying whatever they have to to get the car the want.

[Rallye Sport]

Finished up at $341k + 7.5% premium

https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotD...&pgn=3&pgs=100

[futura]

Didn't even get to 500k.

No surprises here.

[lumen8]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Finished up at $341k + 7.5% premium

https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotD...&pgn=3&pgs=100

Not bad for an oversized hot rodded opel.

before shot...

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by lumen8

Not bad for an oversized hot rodded opel.

before shot...

image

Bit of a stretch. By the same logic you could call an XY GT-HO Ph3 a "hot rodded US Ford economy car".

Dr Terry

[lumen8]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Bit of a stretch. By the same logic you could call an XY GT-HO Ph3 a "hot rodded US Ford economy car".

Dr Terry

It was meant to be humourous, perhaps I shouldve added the right smiley.

That said, the VN was apparently a bit of a stretch... of an opel. *boom tish*

Ok, i'll get my coat now.

[slowsnake]

Obviously it made the successful bidder happy, and it is his cabbage to spend as he wants, I reckon we all been too hard, we should congratulate them not critique them!...



Cheers WB

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by lumen8

It was meant to be humourous, perhaps I shouldve added the right smiley.

That said, the VN was apparently a bit of a stretch... of an opel. *boom tish*

Ok, i'll get my coat now.

Very good.

Dr Terry

[jpd80]

Gives me hope that some day, my pearl black 5.0 EB Fairmont will be worth something…

[Bossxr8]

Next thing you know the auction houses will be saying a stock VN Executive will be worth $1 million. Seems like everything that they are getting now gets the old "it could go for up to $1 million". Just stfu and stop trying to force the prices higher than what they really are. The market determines the value, not you auctioneer flogs.

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The market determines the value, not you auctioneer flogs.

But it's not worth $340k according to some..

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

But it's not worth $340k according to some..

I think that's why we see so many replicas, XY phase 3, E49 Chargers etc, etc, are they really worth asking prices, but auctioneers are good at what they do, even if it seems criminal to any honest person, its unethical at least!


Cheers Mr B

[Swordie]

The VN Group A SS was considered a desirable car over 20yrs.

[Sprintey]

There's the transaction price, so that's the value for that point in time. Mark it on the candlestick chart for that car.

By VN, I'm on the scene and I kinda like cars, old enough to be aware of them now. My uncle had the harsh sounding V6 and felt tinny on the doors, but it was very economical and had this crazy habit of going sideways if foot was planted too deeply on takeoff.

EA-B at same time felt a bit more solid/smooth? But had their problems. 6 year old ED was our own first family car, great car, smooth and refined.

I still like th eEcotec VSs.

[oldel]

It's still like that. Last commo I had was a 2006 VZ and they still felt tinny with the doors. E series falcons always felt more solid and the b series is better than that compared to the VZ in that regard (and hvac, trip computer and cruise too).

Early VNs had fairly brutal tuning and were burnout specials and so much faster compared to e series though. Later on holden tamed down their tuning to get better economy but even before that the commo was better on fuel too.

There was a high speed commo crash here in perth a long time ago (that no one in any car would have survived), but it was peeled down the side just like you think those commo doors would peel every time you shut the door on one. Every time I jumped in the VZ I was reminded about that...
Anyway, didn't like the VZ, nor the vr/vs mates had, or the vp, and if the vz had the same interior etc as vx I wouldn't like them either. VT I think was the one they copied old BMW suspension and if I wanted camber/lowering problems I'd buy the old BMW.

The statesmans have some interest to me though, the VN based VQ I think is that one I liked 25 years ago when I first saw it. E: yeah, the VQ caprice

[rare ss]

Worst part about the VN GPA was the VN body shell, with some kms on them they creak and rattle, not very well made compared to the more solid falcon, but they were light and the GPA had a heap of power with potential for loads more, they also had big brakes, first 6 speed trans, narrow diff to mount larger wheels and of course the massive induction setup, they are pretty far removed from a regular VN or any other HSV at the time as you can get and it's not hard to see why they're desired, there's not too many tidy examples around as loads were stolen and stripped for parts

[Mulva]

Originally Posted by Fiji

If anyone wants that VN give me your proxy vote and I'll go bid, keep a lid on things.. or let the guy I know bid for you, he will offer $12k and walk away.. always always compare what else you can get for your money.. always

**** it, I like these things...I'm in. Go buy me a VN Group A SS for $20k or less that is running and not a burnt out shell. Don't care if it has over 150k kms. I'd be happy to get change of $20k but am a serious buyer and I really want one - so don't stop at less than $20k even if you think it is not worth it. I don't care what else I could get for my $20k - I want a VN Group A SS!

Go!

[MDS69]

Originally Posted by rare ss

Worst part about the VN GPA was the VN body shell, with some kms on them they creak and rattle, not very well made compared to the more solid falcon, but they were light and the GPA had a heap of power with potential for loads more, they also had big brakes, first 6 speed trans, narrow diff to mount larger wheels and of course the massive induction setup, they are pretty far removed from a regular VN or any other HSV at the time as you can get and it's not hard to see why they're desired, there's not too many tidy examples around as loads were stolen and stripped for parts

I seem to recall a poster or ad in a magazine that said something along the lines of there was 300 different parts to make it into a group A. It had a picture with all the parts laid out on the floor.

[MrEL]

The VN Group A for its time was cutting edge.
It is every bit as desirable as a Phase 3.
For Holden to put an Australian designed and developed product up against basically the best that Japan and Europe had to offer was incredibly ballsy and is to be commended.
No they are not worth a million dollars. I can't see them being that ever. It's not like there was multiple colour schemes so there could be rarity. Plus they were sold as something special to begin with. I don't think you will find anyone has ever driven a VN Group A across a paddock or gone shooting out of it unlike a phase 3.
By the time they are the same age as a Phase 3 , the mystique of the Australian muscle car will be gone.
I used to despise the Holden scene due to the amount of 1 eyed flogs in it that didn't have the brain capacity to look past a badge.
Unfortunately I have come to realise the exact same caliber of people are in the Ford scene as well.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fiji

You had to love the early VNs, just a whiff of throttle and they pretty much opened the whole throttle, plus they made brutal torque down low. Would flog most cars off the line. They just sort of didn’t have much more in the top end.. but down low and cruising very snappy on the throttle

Would kill the equivalent E series off the line and rolling starts, but I still liked the top end of the 4.0 I6 in the e series. From about 70km/h the Ford i6 was so nice.

The VN’s TH700 had a 3.0:1 first gear combined with 3.08:1 diff ratio,
there’s no way the Falcon’s BTR could launch as well with a 2.39:1 first gear.
You’d need 3.9 or 4.11 gears to get the same launch but once underway,
the VN V6 would struggle a bit more than the Falcon with kick down overtaking

[FPV414]

Fiji 'that troll bloke' who been on forums since the start of time. No threads or posts relating to their own car (probably doesn't own anything you'd want to share on AFF), no technical assistance anywhere, no proper insight in to anything where people would get along and agree with it - just flat out fake stories and trolling. Surprised the name doesn't come in red-lettering yet. Only a matter of time.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Fiji

You had to love the early VNs, just a whiff of throttle and they pretty much opened the whole throttle, plus they made brutal torque down low. Would flog most cars off the line. They just sort of didn’t have much more in the top end.. but down low and cruising very snappy on the throttle

Would kill the equivalent E series off the line and rolling starts, but I still liked the top end of the 4.0 I6 in the e series. From about 70km/h the Ford i6 was so nice.

VN S1 were like that, they then toned it down in S2 by way of a restrictor in the plenum that also improved idle.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by FPV414

Fiji 'that troll bloke' who been on forums since the start of time. No threads or posts relating to their own car (probably doesn't own anything you'd want to share on AFF), no technical assistance anywhere, no proper insight in to anything where people would get along and agree with it - just flat out fake stories and trolling. Surprised the name doesn't come in red-lettering yet. Only a matter of time.

He has a 5 sec Aurion

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by MrEL

By the time they are the same age as a Phase 3 , the mystique of the Australian muscle car will be gone.

Will it?

[MercuryT]

The car will sell for what it is "worth" to the buyer.

Who cares what I, you or anyone else thinks otherwise.

People pay what they believe any car is "worth" to them.

Strange thread as literally everything we buy has exactly the same premise.

[Mulva]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Please post the realestate.com listing of said house. The listing will show the sold prices and dates. I find it really hard to believe that story. But you can prove me wrong...

I still don't get why Fiji was bidding over $1m for a house - surely he should have told the buyer they could get a newer, bigger house with more features for less money out in a regional area. I mean it wouldn't be the area they wanted to live in, nor would it be the house they wanted, but it would be a better house in every way (in his opinion).

Besides, my guy looked at that $1m+ house and valued it at about $180k based on the cost of bricks, tiles and gyprock. Should have given him the proxy to bid - he would put in a bid 90% below reserve and walk away.

[FPV414]

Originally Posted by Fiji

I contribute more than most, I promote discussion from a realist perspective, from a much broader enthusiast standpoint. Sometimes you may not agree but it's the truth. You gotta digest that Holden or Toyota or subaru enthusiasts don't see things exactly as you see them, but it dont make them wrong. Don't take offence but Outside of this relatively small ford community noone is gonna pay for an old rattly GT and people smirk when they see an old AU falcon.

You're providing and promoting a dialogue that isn't required here. We know that people who aren't interested in these cars aren't interested in them. That's obvious. This is a Ford enthusiasts forum, where people share positive experiences and discussion about the cars. We are well aware of the fact that these cars aren't for everyone, we don't need someone here to tell us that. It's just like me going over to a Holden forum to tell all of the owners of cars on there that not everyone likes them. Defies logic.

Originally Posted by Fiji

As to your own contributions, I can't find too much technical assistance from yourself? There are too many who come on here sporadically to leech off some of the sponsors and workshop owners but never go and spend a buck in their shop.. those freeloading leeches should be red carded not me who drives discussion and traffic.

Not that I need to justify anything to you, there are several threads and posts dating back almost 9 years, and posts, where I have contributed to or started technical discussions. I have provided photo logs of my own builds and also shared photos of my cars across the forum.

If you don't like what the forum represents, you don't have to be here. Hulk tings.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by Fiji

I contribute more than most, I promote discussion from a realist perspective, from a much broader enthusiast standpoint. Sometimes you may not agree but it's the truth. .

I wouldn't call trolling, running down people's pride and joys over the years and constant bans contributing more than most. A lot of us have been a member here long enough to know what your contributions are all about. How many different names have you gone under now?

[FPV414]

We are constructive in our balanced criticisms. You are not.

I won’t embrace delusion. Laters.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Fiji

.
Ive done that too at real estate auctions.. a seller tells me his reserve price and I bid just short ... Keep rowing the buyers along.. no doubt this is happening with the VN.

"If" this sentence is true it speaks volumes about you..