2020 Ford Puma - Page 3

jpd80 · 21-01-2020, 09:31 AM

Let’s hope Ford puts A into Gear and makes this happen
This could be Ford’s CX-3, surely they can’t muff this up.

Bossxr8 · 21-01-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Let’s hope Ford puts A into Gear and makes this happen
This could be Ford’s CX-3, surely they can’t muff this up.

Probably price it 5k more expensive than CX3

Eurotrash · 21-01-2020, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Probably price it 5k more expensive than CX3

Considering the UK only gets the Puma in Titanium, ST Line and ST Line X, it's not looking too good price wise for Australia, unless they release a Trend spec? Fingers crossed they do!

jpd80 · 21-01-2020, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurotrash

Considering the UK only gets the Puma in Titanium, ST Line and ST Line X, it's not looking too good price wise for Australia, unless they release a Trend spec? Fingers crossed they do!

Yes, they need a Trend but Europe also has good sales of Fiesta and Focus, perhaps there’s a balancing act going on wit product...

Bossxr8 · 22-01-2020, 11:38 AM

Source location could go some way to getting it in cheap enough.

Eurotrash · 22-01-2020, 06:22 PM

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Source location could go some way to getting it in cheap enough.

I agree, but that's half the problem.

Apart from Thailand, Ford no longer has any manufacturing plants in this part of the world and Ford of Thailand only sells the Mustang, Everest and Ranger.

The Puma is currently only built in Romania, which would seem like a cheaper location to build cars, but then it's the logistics from Eastern Europe to Australia. And if you believe Hyundai and Kia in Australia, it doesn't make sense to import cars from that part of the world. And would a FTA with Europe make any difference?

Wouldn't it be great if Ford opened up a manufacturing plant in Australia that made a wide variety of vehicles for our part of the world. Many models are now built on common platforms so the range is there.

Bossxr8 · 23-01-2020, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurotrash

I agree, but that's half the problem.

Apart from Thailand, Ford no longer has any manufacturing plants in this part of the world and Ford of Thailand only sells the Mustang, Everest and Ranger.

The Puma is currently only built in Romania, which would seem like a cheaper location to build cars, but then it's the logistics from Eastern Europe to Australia. And if you believe Hyundai and Kia in Australia, it doesn't make sense to import cars from that part of the world. And would a FTA with Europe make any difference?

Wouldn't it be great if Ford opened up a manufacturing plant in Australia that made a wide variety of vehicles for our part of the world. Many models are now built on common platforms so the range is there.

Still might have a plant in Taiwan.

jpd80 · 23-01-2020, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Still might have a plant in Taiwan.

If they still have all the old stamps and dyes, maybe they can make baby Brincos.... where’s that stir pot emoji

Eurotrash · 24-01-2020, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Still might have a plant in Taiwan.

Not sure? But going what they advertise on their site, they seem to have a more diverse range of Fords than most other Asian markets, except China.

They still have the old Fiesta hatch, the Aussie developed Ford Escort sedan, New Focus sedan and hatch, facelifted Mondeo hatch and wagon and the Mustang rounding out their passenger car lineup. They also have the Ecosport and Kuga (Escape), Ranger and Transit Tourneo.

Ford used to build just about everything they sold in Taiwan, but I can't find anything that says this is still the case?

Wretched · 07-02-2020, 10:50 AM

Ford Puma is coming to AU

kevino · 07-02-2020, 02:27 PM

Indications on the various motoring websites are that will be highly content loaded. It will not compete with Cx3.
It’s pricing mark will be Cx30 levels 30k plus.
Ford obviously still following their price it high sell 150 a month strategy.

On an off topic note Ford Global barely broke even last year reported in USA on Tuesday.

Bossxr8 · 07-02-2020, 02:31 PM

I had a good look over 2 of these a little while ago, and they are light years ahead of the rubbish Ecosport. They look bigger than you'd think too. Luggage space in the back is quite large.

Price won't be released till closer to launch in the 2nd half of the year.

stefcio007 · 07-02-2020, 02:32 PM

I'd like to add that it is also coming in the second half of 2020.

Have we discussed engines yet?

**DFB FGXR6** · 12-03-2020, 06:05 PM

Price and Specs.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/834448/...pricing-specs/

Puma - $29,990
Puma ST-Line - $32,340
Puma ST-Line V - $35,540

I know the argument will be that spec for spec the Puma is decent value when compared to its competitors, but without a true lower priced entry model, how many potential customers will automatically not consider it because the starting price is 30k.

Eurotrash · 12-03-2020, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Price and Specs.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/834448/...pricing-specs/

Puma - $29,990
Puma ST-Line - $32,340
Puma ST-Line V - $35,540

I know the argument will be that spec for spec the Puma is decent value when compared to its competitors, but without a true lower priced entry model, how many potential customers will automatically not consider it because the starting price is 30k.

This is more proof that Ford Australia are really only interested in selling Rangers and the odd Mustang. So selling less at a higher price is a much better business case it seems these days. Years gone by, if they couldn't sell 4,000-6000 units a year, that's when the business case didn't make sense.

Puma is meant to be a Mazda CX3 competitor, but it's priced like a Mazda CX-30? A much bigger car. It doesn't matter what we think about this, most people will see this as a bad thing and will go for the Mazda. Looks like Ford will be happy selling 150 a month at best. If it does better, I'll happily eat my words.

Me, I like this a lot!

Adamz Ghia · 12-03-2020, 09:43 PM

Needed a starting price closer to the lower side of the $25k mark.

Eurotrash · 12-03-2020, 09:48 PM

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Needed a starting price closer to the lower side of the $25k mark.

Just to get people in the door and then if they upsold them to a higher spec, then bonus!

jpd80 · 12-03-2020, 09:48 PM

Latest News out of Europe is that Ford is planning to close
Up to 180 of its 400 UK dealers........

Ford is marginalising sales in UK for a future reason to exit RHD UK.

au2000 · 12-03-2020, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurotrash

Just to get people in the door and then if they upsold them to a higher spec, then bonus!

Nah .. It's all about the extra profit ford will make on the 200 a month at 30 grand .. Remember as we keep getting told, they are chasing a bigger profit margin on less sales at a time people are tightening their belts and are looking for value to their dollar.!
I'm sure this will go gangbusters, just like the breakthrough focus sales .....

BENT_8 · 12-03-2020, 10:16 PM

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Nah .. It's all about the extra profit ford will make on the 200 a month at 30 grand .. Remember as we keep getting told, they are chasing a bigger profit margin on less sales at a time people are tightening their belts and are looking for value to their dollar.!
I'm sure this will go gangbusters, just like the breakthrough focus sales .....

Yeah but this is explained to us with such authority, who are we to question it.

Eurotrash · 12-03-2020, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Latest News out of Europe is that Ford is planning to close
Up to 180 of its 400 UK dealers........

Ford is marginalising sales in UK for a future reason to exit RHD UK.

Is this fact? It could just be that Ford are reducing their dealer network in line with a declining market and Ford's own declining market share in the UK? But clearing out almost half their dealers, is a little harsh!

csv8 · 12-03-2020, 11:31 PM

The Puma ST Line V is $35,540. Escape ST starts at that price. As AdamGhiaz said"price needs to start at $25k." As Eurotrash said " to get people in the doors." Ford price as a premium product, its not
Audi or BMW etc quality. Priced right, it should sell.

Bossxr8 · 13-03-2020, 11:15 AM

The pricing is interesting. The top model undercuts the top Mazda CX3. But the entry point is much higher.

Ford again not bothering with an entry point model, just higher spec, more profitable models. Still should have priced the lower spec model at least 2-3 k cheaper.

But profit is all that matters now. If they can't sell something with a nice profit margin, they won't bring it in. Simple as that. Right or wrong, it's the reality.

BENT_8 · 13-03-2020, 11:29 AM

I guess if people won't stump up the premium they think they're worth they'll cull them off and blame the consumer.

Bossxr8 · 13-03-2020, 11:43 AM

Supposed to be a full ST version coming as well. Probably the engine from the Fiesta ST.

NX74205 · 13-03-2020, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Needed a starting price closer to the lower side of the $25k mark.

How many people actually buy entry level models, though? If there are stats on the breakdown of which models are the biggest sellers, it'd be interesting to look at.

These days I hardly see any base model cars around. Most are mid range, some are top of the line, but very rarely do I see an entry level model, except for fleet special cars like the Corolla and Camry.

XR Martin · 13-03-2020, 09:40 PM

The only $25k SUV you are going to get is an ASX which dates back to 2010.

ivorya · 14-03-2020, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Latest News out of Europe is that Ford is planning to close
Up to 180 of its 400 UK dealers........

Ford is marginalising sales in UK for a future reason to exit RHD UK.

I can't just see them exiting, just the UK.

It would be world RHD, they would exit from.

Following the GM world it seems!!

XRtowcar · 14-03-2020, 10:24 AM

Engine is too small.
Should have been a 1.5 Ecoboost.
Pity as it looks a good car.

Adamz Ghia · 14-03-2020, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

How many people actually buy entry level models, though? If there are stats on the breakdown of which models are the biggest sellers, it'd be interesting to look at.

These days I hardly see any base model cars around. Most are mid range, some are top of the line, but very rarely do I see an entry level model, except for fleet special cars like the Corolla and Camry.

Very true, but the lower entry price gets them in the door, then any salesman worth his salt will up sell them to the higher spec cars.

The funniest thing was when I took mum to buy her new Focus, she was banging on about how she’d struggle to afford the Trend (LZ) and maybe she shouldn’t get it. She got in, took it for a drive but still wasn’t sure she could do it. Then she spotted the Sport sitting two cars down and fell in love with it then and there. All of a sudden she didn’t care that it cost a couple of grand more, she’d manage just fine. Salesman didn’t have to do a thing!