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View Poll Results: Should the Falcon Wagons die? | |||
Yes, Territory should replace the wagon lineup | 42 | 21.76% | |
No, The wagon lineup should stay | 79 | 40.93% | |
Only get rid of the wagons if there is a (factory) E-Gas Territory | 24 | 12.44% | |
Only keep the wagons if they have a full lineup range (XT, G6, G6E, XR8, FPV?, Diesel?, etc) | 48 | 24.87% | |
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29-12-2008, 01:21 PM | #61 | |||
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29-12-2008, 05:33 PM | #62 | ||
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I thought we already covered this when we had the "Why doesn't Ford build a G6E ute with coil springs"
With markets moving in interesting ways at the moment its a good idea to keep all your options open.
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29-12-2008, 05:44 PM | #63 | ||
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made money on a territory? wtf
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29-12-2008, 07:16 PM | #64 | |||
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29-12-2008, 10:27 PM | #65 | ||
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I wonder if they could keep the wagon going even longer at less expense then goig to a full FG wagon by doing something similar to what they did with the blackwood utes through the E series ie XG & XH.
I know most of the sales reps who come see me these days have BF3 egas wagons due to it's unique mix of space & economy. |
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29-12-2008, 11:08 PM | #66 | ||
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yeah.
eventually mod the bonnet and guards to accept fg lights and bumper. Good idea |
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30-12-2008, 12:25 AM | #67 | |||
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2010 it will need an engine upgrade to meet euro 4 or they cant sell it.
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30-12-2008, 07:11 AM | #68 | |||
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30-12-2008, 12:45 PM | #69 | |||
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30-12-2008, 01:24 PM | #70 | |||
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Correct, but seeing as they will need R&D for a new wagon....will they be able to justify it?
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30-12-2008, 02:38 PM | #71 | ||
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As long as the price is right fleets and business' will keep buying wagons. I have actually tried to get my fleet salesperson to sell a TX RWD Territory instead of a wagon, because at the time, wagons were hard to get because of supply. But the company refused and wanted a wagon at that was that and they waited. So I'll stress as long as the price is right, we will still keep selling them. I would love to see LPG on Territory however!
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30-12-2008, 03:08 PM | #72 | |||
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From countrycars.com.au June 2008.... (http://www.countrycars.com.au/Editor...rticleID=53830) ... "About 85 per cent of Falcon buyers are fleet and government customers"
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30-12-2008, 10:12 PM | #73 | |||
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31-12-2008, 01:33 PM | #74 | ||
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Didn't Wheels do a comparo b/w the Terry and the Commo Sportwagon last month, in which the Terry wiped the floor with it? I vaguely remember reading the quote that it's a far better all rounder than the s/wagon, even if it is older and thirstier.
Does anyone else here think the AUIII SR wagon was not a bad looking piece of kit? Drop the suspension on one of those and I'd take it ahead of the commo any day... |
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31-12-2008, 01:42 PM | #75 | |||
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31-12-2008, 02:33 PM | #76 | |||
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31-12-2008, 09:41 PM | #77 | ||
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Nice wagon the SR 111 and im lucky my wife owns one. But i have lowered it put some 17inch AU1 tickford rims on it fitted a redback exhaust plus momo steering wheel. I cleaned it today and while we out this afternoon a couple of people thought it looked very nice. Only problem for me is it needs a V8
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31-12-2008, 10:35 PM | #78 | ||
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it would be nice to see an SR version of the BFIII. Add a the little front spoiler from the BFII fairmont ghia (and limited edition BFII SR sedans), a set of alloys, some chrome detailing on the grill and some nicer seat material. It would be cost effective and and might sell a few more (or at least reduce the 'taxi pack/rep mobile' image of a new falcon wagon).
Clearly Ford are not in the position to blow money on limited edition models. Using existing parts (or even changing base spec level/exterior detailing) would perhaps revitalise the appeal of the big wagon in comparison with the Holden Schittswagen. Ford could make use the SR front on all wagons and make alloys standard (or no cost option). OR... Ford could offer two spec wagons. Base model repmobile as per current car and SR as a permanent model. I reckon the BFII ghia and SR models had a really nice looking front. I reckon it would look great on a wagon. The big question is.. Would it be worth offering a slightly upper spec wagon, when many aussies would just choose a territory instead. In terms of 'coolness' I reckon many folks (soccer mums, men wishing their wives would let them go 4WD ing, people who want 356 storage compartments etc) would take the territory over a flashed up wagon, despite any cost advantage. At the moment, they co exist quite well. The wagon is the perfect, tough, reliable 2008 panelvan for reps and taxi drivers and the occasional FORD driver who has kids and want's 2B a bit different. The territory is the image mobile that proves having a family doesn't mean having a KOMBI/HIACE/TARAGO/L300 etc. Me? I'd take wagon in black. Add a BFII ghia front and alloys, drop the suspension a bit, nice dark tint, double mattress in the back, shag pile carpetting, mirrored hoodlining, condom dispenser........ Maybe if I was a lot younger.... |
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01-01-2009, 01:45 AM | #79 | ||
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I saw one privately owned BF3 last night, (unless NSW fleets use regular NSW plates) though I've seen many ACT Government owned ones though.
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01-01-2009, 03:06 AM | #80 | ||
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Not until they change the fugly styling of the terri.
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01-01-2009, 11:40 AM | #81 | ||
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I think the Terri looks fine as far as SUVs go.
It isn't the most "modern" looking, but I don't think it looks like crap either. I think it has a swell interior compared to some others though, and since comfort would be important if I was a prospective buyer, it gets brownie points there. The downside of styling is that you will never please everybody. Impossible.
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04-02-2009, 01:58 PM | #82 | ||
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I voted lose the wagon only if the Territory line up matches the Falcons.
Surely a 'road spec' lowered Territory with no rear seats/extended rear flooring and a cargo blind would have more than enough space and practicality for reps etc (spesh with the split fold tailgate)? As has been stated, the Falcon wagon makes a great taxi but waddaya do? |
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19-08-2009, 12:06 PM | #83 | |||
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http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...on-wagon-16305
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19-08-2009, 12:17 PM | #84 | |||
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Falcon wagon was canned in 06 and has survived. I wouldn't underestimate it. I just wonder if the RTV had have stayed on like the BFIII would Ford have been able to just get the euro 4 engine in both vehicles and soldier on.
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As for the RTV, weren't ford contemplating bringing them back at some stage?
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No idea. Never heard anything about them. But I still say it would have been fine as a BFIII fleet hack.
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19-08-2009, 01:30 PM | #87 | |||
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As for the RTV, I've said it before and I'll say it again, they were fools to can it. It was the only vehicle available on the market with a modest off road capability, 1 tonne payload and dedicated gas.
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Territory needs a vertical rear end if it is to replace the Falcon wagon for practical cargo-carrying purposes. It has internal height but the sloping rear seriously compromises optimal loading. And it needs a gas version.
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