Overrated cars

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by oldel

Yeah, I know what you drive. I'd never buy them because there's no use or value in them to me ;-)

Yes, I would imagine, unless you use them for work and it has paid for itself probably 100 times over now. I don't rate performance in how fast it goes between traffic lights, just reliability and load capabilities at hwy speeds.

[MercuryT]

I'll get flamed but it's Porsche for me.

911 in particular.

This is looks only, not their ability.

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

I'll get flamed but it's Porsche for me.

911 in particular.

This is looks only, not their ability.

You know where the door is mate

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by raised by monkeys

You know where the door is mate

OK, I'll see my way out........

[AussiePhil]

Originally Posted by oldel

Hilux

Anything made in Australia :-P

Not the hilux, I had two early models, you couldn't kill them!
1993 single cab 2.4 petrol and 2006 SR5 V6 petrol.
Haven't had a late model though!
Cheers Phil

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by raised by monkeys

You know where the door is mate

Remember I wasn't knocking their quality.....i'm sure they are brilliant.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You have been told numerous times the Everest was not a replacement for Territory. Ford said this from the start. Why do you keep trying to push this line when it is 100% false?

There has been no direct replacement.

More's the pity, and leads into:

Originally Posted by raised by monkeys

When I think of overrated cars my mind slips to anything imported, and is generally something expensive to repair such as the already mentioned euro built cars. But they are built for European weather not to withstand our conditions.

Can attest to this watching my parents suffer Euro car ownership when we came to Australia, for many years. My parents weren't auto electricians, so they couldn't do the fancy tuner stuff. They just suffered. But it wasn't due to them overrating the Euro cars (subject of this thread) - it was all they originally knew.

Now, replacing a Territory (1st quote) - I see Jag F Pace or RR Velar as the successor for type of vehicle - full time AWD SUV that handles well. Two problems, 1) price is double and 2) reliability is not on par with Barra powered Territory. JLR does some absolutely fantastic looking cars, top marks to stylists inside & out, and yes they have cache and are rated highly, but its what happens after warranty/in depreciation/in reliability that is where they could improve to match the way people rate them.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

More's the pity, and leads into:






Can attest to this watching my parents suffer Euro car ownership when we came to Australia, for many years. My parents weren't auto electricians, so they couldn't do the fancy tuner stuff. They just suffered. But it wasn't due to them overrating the Euro cars (subject of this thread) - it was all they originally knew.

Now, replacing a Territory (1st quote) - I see Jag F Pace or RR Velar as the successor for type of vehicle - full time AWD SUV that handles well. Two problems, 1) price is double and 2) reliability is not on par with Barra powered Territory. JLR does some absolutely fantastic looking cars, top marks to stylists inside & out, and yes they have cache and are rated highly, but its what happens after warranty/in depreciation/in reliability that is where they could improve to match the way people rate them.

There isn’t many crossover suv’s that mirror Territorys layout of being rwd biased awd with a north/south engine. Interestingly enough the Explorer is now one of them. But dimensionally it’s a bigger class of vehicle, so not exactly like for like.

But typically the yanks won’t let us have that one

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

My favourite Euro car owner practice is badge removal. So the guy with the 5 year old 318i, can pretend to be a baller after spending 20k on a used base model 3 series

And he lives to tell people he drives a BMW.

[MercuryT]

SUVs in general.

Either buy a cool sedan or a big wagon.

The in-between is useless but seems so popular?

I guess all different.

[MethodX]

Yes the Citroen DS for me.
hate it with a passion.
But then its a car that bring out either love or hate.

[4vxc]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Considering we use to buy them in the early 80s for around $500 to a couple of thousand, registered.

Yeah but your talking about prices from 40 years ago
Things change in nearby half a century

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by 4vxc

Yeah but your talking about prices from 40 years ago
Things change in nearby half a century

Yes, they are even more rusted out pieces of cr*p now,

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There isn’t many crossover suv’s that mirror Territorys layout of being rwd biased awd with a north/south engine. Interestingly enough the Explorer is now one of them. But dimensionally it’s a bigger class of vehicle, so not exactly like for like.

But typically the yanks won’t let us have that one

Not to mention how hot the new Explorer, Aviator, Expedition are... Honestly it's almost worth incorporating a business in the States and working over there for a year or two or so just to bring one home!

Closest to Territory I can see is F Pace with 90:10 RWD bias AWD, supercharged petrol V6 is a Ford motor block too I think

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Not to mention how hot the new Explorer, Aviator, Expedition are... Honestly it's almost worth incorporating a business in the States and working over there for a year or two or so just to bring one home!

Closest to Territory I can see is F Pace with 90:10 RWD bias AWD, supercharged petrol V6 is a Ford motor block too I think

Yeah I think it's still the old Ford Duratec V6 block.

[PooDog]

Could never understand the love some people had for driving around the highway in old Land Rovers

[MercuryT]

My (very wealthy) mate sold his BMW X5 top model to get the top Range Rover.

Reckons worse decision he had ever made.

He then sold the Range Rover in about 6 months (I don't know but I'm guessing a huge loss on resale when he traded back to the BMW newer version)

[DJM83]

I'll bet most slagging the AU, have never owned one.

For me it's golf gti.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by DJM83

I'll bet most slagging the AU, have never owned one.

For me it's golf gti.

I think the Golf GTi is a very good hatch.

But agree its "status" is overplayed.

[Franco Cozzo]

I've got plenty of cars on my ****list but I can't really think of any that are 'overrated' - aside from VW's turds rolled in glitter.

Toybaru 86 comes to mind, ****en nugget car, could have been a modern Silvia/200SX but they decided to put a limp wristed engine in it.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I've got plenty of cars on my ****list but I can't really think of any that are 'overrated' - aside from VW's turds rolled in glitter.

Toybaru 86 comes to mind, ****en nugget car, could have been a modern Silvia/200SX but they decided to put a limp wristed engine in it.

Does my R36 fit your your description? Ok If you think so.

Agree on 86/BRZ - certainly underpowered but I still think a great car for $.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Does my R36 fit your your description? Ok If you think so.

Agree on 86/BRZ - certainly underpowered but I still think a great car for $.

From a perspective of either turning their vans into police cars or repairing customers cars they're a PITFA to work on, parts can be hard to get and $$$$$$.

2003 BA Falcon door lock assembly - genuine fitted $275

2003 VW Polo - $1200 parts only ex Germany.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I've got plenty of cars on my ****list but I can't really think of any that are 'overrated' - aside from VW's turds rolled in glitter.

Toybaru 86 comes to mind, ****en nugget car, could have been a modern Silvia/200SX but they decided to put a limp wristed engine in it.

It would have been great if it got a turbo version.

Looks like Toyota learnt nothing though, cause the next 86 will have an na 2.4 boxer

What a rubbish engine to give it. And it’s not like Toyota don’t know how to do good sport engines. 2jz, 4age etc. Yet they are choosing garbage Subaru boxers.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

From a perspective of either turning their vans into police cars or repairing customers cars they're a PITFA to work on, parts can be hard to get and $$$$$$.

2003 BA Falcon door lock assembly - genuine fitted $275

2003 VW Polo - $1200 parts only ex Germany.

I still don't know answer on my VW mate....ha

[Sprintey]

https://www.volkswagenownersclub.com...uild-up.31453/

that old chestnut. Or should I say walnut:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM0M2bQM-ag

sounds like fun



best comment on that vid, Mr Allah Turbo:
"don’t buy a car that need these procedures, simply not worth it"



watching that vid is electro-mechanical schadenfreude

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It would have been great if it got a turbo version.

Looks like Toyota learnt nothing though, cause the next 86 will have an na 2.4 boxer

What a rubbish engine to give it. And it’s not like Toyota don’t know how to do good sport engines. 2jz, 4age etc. Yet they are choosing garbage Subaru boxers.

I suspect mechanically not up to it.

They look cheap to me so if drivetrain is also it then no Turbo.

Plus buyer's are usually young and they are fast enough easily. (and more affordable)

[EBSXR6]

I think the Taurus made the AU look like a Miss Universe winner.

[CoupeKing]

That convertible, the Capri.

Unless I'm misunderstood, it has to be a contender.

[CoupeKing]

As for the peeps hating on the AU (I don't blame you. I can't tell if it's coming or going), but race-spec Craig Lowndes car... Hot.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

That convertible, the Capri.

Unless I'm misunderstood, it has to be a contender.

No one ever rated that. It was a flop.