Hundreds of Holden workers at Elizabeth plant in Adelaide accept voluntary redundanci

[KIWI-1]

Depends whether you believe the $55k figure or what's in the EBA. ;-)
BTW I didn't include superannuation, subsidised cars, product purchase plan, executive wages, etc.

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

A worker in this scenario would walk out with more $$$ in the bank now than if they were to work until retirement. Taking redundancy now would also more than double their superannuation and guarantee staff discounts for life.

Their financial situation would be secure however they would need to come to terms with the emotional impact of redundancy.

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Rubbish.

You re a troll for all involved in the local car manufacturing and support industries.

Do the maths or maybe post yours and show how your absurd comment is justified.

Come on .......

3.5 weeks + 35 years service @ 4 weeks + 30 days sick leave = 150 weeks pay.
Double the 35 years of superannuation contributions.
Deduct tax at the rate for Eligible Termination Payments.

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

The 2004 (varied 2008) EBA Voluntary Separation Program is:
4 weeks notice plus,
3.5 weeks for each completed year of service plus,
2 times member super contributions + interest OR if aged 55 and over a non-actuarially reduced benefit plus,
Up to 30 days unused sick leave plus,
Annual Leave loading (17.5% day shift, or shift penalty if > 17.5%) plus,
Pro-rata Long Service Leave after 5 years service plus,
Product purchase provisions for life if greater than 20 years service or aged 55 or over OR
Product purchase provisions for 9 months if less than 20 years service or less than 55 years of age plus,
Shift penalties plus,
Financial counselling $300 plus,
Outplacement services $600 plus,
3 days paid leave to organise affairs.

The media reported that the Union had negotiated a better VSP.

Items such as night shift penalties cannot be added to the payout figure, however there would be expected health benefits.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

3.5 weeks + 35 years service @ 4 weeks + 30 days sick leave = 150 weeks pay.
Double the 35 years of superannuation contributions.
Deduct tax at the rate for Eligible Termination Payments.



Items such as night shift penalties cannot be added to the payout figure, however there would be expected health benefits.

you don't get double super!
you don't get sick days!
and its 2.5 weeks per year redundancy @normal day rate.
plus your remaining holidays with 17% loading.
and because you were notified of redundancy, nothing in lou.

[Bossxr8]

Not to mention the years of service will be capped. Ours is capped at 19 years I think.

[fte50]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

3.5 weeks + 35 years service @ 4 weeks + 30 days sick leave = 150 weeks pay.
Double the 35 years of superannuation contributions.
Deduct tax at the rate for Eligible Termination Payments.



Items such as night shift penalties cannot be added to the payout figure, however there would be expected health benefits.

Currently uncapped formula for up to 62 year old, and reverses to a 20K payment after 63yo.
Arvo shift = 17.5% loading, Night shift = 30% loading, plus annual leave, long service leave, accrued public holidays etc.

As sweet as it might seem, the 'forced payout' is jam packed including 30% discount for life on ALL Holden, 25% on GM up to 3 p/a and HSV.
Oh and gotta agree with barra, you are a troll

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not to mention the years of service will be capped. Ours is capped at 19 years I think.

Most other businesses cap at maximum of 8 weeks benefit...

[fte50]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Most other businesses cap at maximum of 8 weeks benefit...

Most are businesses are not global multinational giants that have the ability to control governments & purchase countries !

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Then you sure as hell can sit on the dole bludgers queue like every other "I want, I want" ********.

No wonder companies want to go offshore.

Yeah I've heard it all before and it works both ways. I don't you fella's willingly getting on your hands an knees for the $7-18 casual an hour you expect your workers too.

Every environment I've worked in the owner has pulled the same disgusting moral obligation over the workers and it's *** everywhere, that is employing them under casual positions and treating it as full time. Gonna try and justify that one are ya? The 21st century sweatshop as they call it.

How many people do you actually correctly employ under casual positions?

[ILLaViTaR]

FYI I made more on the dole than when I was working 38hrs steady a week casual. Pizza driving cleaning, taking orders, cooking, customer service all that crap work but without a breath inbetween while the lazy owner sits at his managers desk watching the footy show.

There's thousands of dollars in annual leave and sick leave I should've been entitled too not to mention the *** job security....

But yeah instead of fight for my rights that I won't get in compensation anyway I think I'll just go to centrelink seeing as it's fairer on me regardless of how it is on people who are unfair to me anyway

Maybe all these people taking advantage of their employees are the reason their employees inevitably turn to centrelink. I know I was earning the same at the pizza shop compared to centrelink and centrelink doesn't come with all the stress and ******** moral obligation A CASUAL POSITION SHOULDNT COME WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE.

So yeah bosses like you (or I at least hope not) definitely do make the decision easy for people like me.

[ILLaViTaR]

How do you justify hiring people under a casual position when the position demands the commitment and work rate of one that is fulltime?

Pay people what they should be paid in the first place then maybe they won't turn to centrelink which seems to affect you so much.

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

FYI I made more on the dole than when I was working 38hrs steady a week casual. Pizza driving cleaning, taking orders, cooking, customer service all that crap work but without a breath inbetween while the lazy owner sits at his managers desk watching the footy show.

There's thousands of dollars in annual leave and sick leave I should've been entitled too not to mention the *** job security....

But yeah instead of fight for my rights that I won't get in compensation anyway I think I'll just go to centrelink seeing as it's fairer on me regardless of how it is on people who are unfair to me anyway

Maybe all these people taking advantage of their employees are the reason their employees inevitably turn to centrelink. I know I was earning the same at the pizza shop compared to centrelink and centrelink doesn't come with all the stress and ******** moral obligation A CASUAL POSITION SHOULDNT COME WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE.

So yeah bosses like you (or I at least hope not) definitely do make the decision easy for people like me.

CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING, SINGING THE SONGS OF ANGRY MEN, CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING WHO WILL NEVER BE SLAVES AGAIN,

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by mrghia

they can walk with a massive pay out there. my cousin took one yrs ago and walked with 150k and got a new job in a month. its not that had to get work over here. I took a package from my old work and finished up on a thursday and started my new job on the friday

orlandos??

[GASWAGON]

So todays is the BIG day the?

[MercurySilver]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

That would be the way its heading, everything outsourced to labour hire companies.

No entitlements to the workers, no percentage off cars and no union.

i dont work at holdens but live not far
guy i work with now worked there for over 20 years and took his payout prob about 4 or 5 years ago now (?)

where we are now we are in EB negotiations
one of the things tabled by the company.....to use labour hire when they see fit for whatever reason

we laughed
then we laughed a bit more and a bit harder
and then told them to jam that
no way in hell thats happening
we let them use a bit, but under strict rules
we arent going to just let them open it up and use it when they want

our redundancies (last year 85 peeps went) were not as good as what the holden guys and girls were getting
no sick leave pay out for starters
and capped at 19 as well
no shift loading, even if you did perm afternoon shift for 20 years
but i digress

hopefully these people can all find work or can enjoy early retirement

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Someone attached to Elizabeth tells me that almost everything going through the plant is V8, very few V6s being built ATM
and that the Redline order bank has taken Holden by surprise in a good way, maybe this keeps the wolf from the door....

Well here's hoping production stays strong for the remaining workforce...

This is not surprising, if supply is constrained you spend what capability you do have on your higher margin lines-V8s- why bust a gut to build a stack of Evokes to dump into Europcar for no profit?
The mix will even out as time goes on.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MercurySilver

i dont work at holdens but live not far
guy i work with now worked there for over 20 years and took his payout prob about 4 or 5 years ago now (?)

where we are now we are in EB negotiations
one of the things tabled by the company.....to use labour hire when they see fit for whatever reason

we laughed
then we laughed a bit more and a bit harder
and then told them to jam that
no way in hell thats happening
we let them use a bit, but under strict rules
we arent going to just let them open it up and use it when they want

our redundancies (last year 85 peeps went) were not as good as what the holden guys and girls were getting
no sick leave pay out for starters
and capped at 19 as well
no shift loading, even if you did perm afternoon shift for 20 years
but i digress

hopefully these people can all find work or can enjoy early retirement

$100 on Ford doing it at their plants if they are still open in Broady/Geelong past 2016.

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

How do you justify hiring people under a casual position when the position demands the commitment and work rate of one that is fulltime?

Pay people what they should be paid in the first place then maybe they won't turn to centrelink which seems to affect you so much.

Would you rather be called in at short notice , and disrupt your plans for the day . At present the majority of people that are on casual rates are bloody happy to get any work when it becomes available , but then again they are older gents who have been through a few tough times in the past and understand that money doesn't grow on trees when times are tight.
Your quoted pizza shop owner at least turns up , most are in the hands of managers while the owner is busy elsewhere .
For as long as I can remember casual rates were higher than permanent and super still applies , only sick days and holidays did not come in to it. O.k it affects your ability to apply for a loan but it is part and parcel of a working environment that has existed for ever . Any one I have worked for uses it initially to weed out the slackers unfortunately the fast food industry uses it for a money saver .

[4stanger]

At least James Courtney is secured with a Holden funded pay cheque for the next 3 years ;)
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/07/28/...courtney-deal/

[The FOMOCO]

I personally don't think we will have any car industry in Aust in another 4 or 5 years . The profits always come first .

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

FYI I made more on the dole than when I was working 38hrs steady a week casual. Pizza driving cleaning, taking orders, cooking, customer service all that crap work but without a breath inbetween while the lazy owner sits at his managers desk watching the footy show.

There's thousands of dollars in annual leave and sick leave I should've been entitled too not to mention the *** job security....

But yeah instead of fight for my rights that I won't get in compensation anyway I think I'll just go to centrelink seeing as it's fairer on me regardless of how it is on people who are unfair to me anyway

Maybe all these people taking advantage of their employees are the reason their employees inevitably turn to centrelink. I know I was earning the same at the pizza shop compared to centrelink and centrelink doesn't come with all the stress and ******** moral obligation A CASUAL POSITION SHOULDNT COME WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE.

So yeah bosses like you (or I at least hope not) definitely do make the decision easy for people like me.

Gotta do the crap work first before you can move up. I wouldn't expect rights and other entitlements if you worked a casual job. I've been there, taken advantage of and done that before (I dobbed in a former employer for being grossly underpaid by the minimum of the award by the tune of nearly 70% and once he found out I'd done that my hours were cut from 32 to 4 a week and I rang him and told him you legally needed to pay this from the start and to jam it)

So again, I say do the crap and deal with it and opportunities arise. FWIW in my current line of employment I am a ****kicker but get paid well to do it.

[GREGL]

Us **** kickers keep the country running . Without us their ability to earn money dries up . Hello in reality life hasn't changed much in the last 1000 years has it when you REALLY think about it .
On the other hand maybe it has , we all have the opportunity to own a house a car or two and a few other toys and I almost forgot , a credit card for when we can't afford the luxuries like loo paper and the kids lunches . LOL
My point is there has always been a group of people doing the **** jobs some are happy to keep doing it , others move on to bigger and better things and some pike out and go on the dole . Low pay is not exclusive to the current generation , in 81/82 when I lelt school there were very few jobs going anywhere and tradies were begging for work , same in the late 90's . It is not a new occurrence.