The great decision..... convince me.

[rodderz]

Sounds like an interesting project shane...as you said the journey of the modding will be just as enjoyable as the power at the end of it

I would pick the turbo setup definately....there are a number of turbo 6's getting around with excellent results. There are also good results of turbo's getting around that are so sedate cruising around your aunty would be happy driving it, yet turns into an animal once the boot sinks in. All you need is the required BOV and they arent really noisey whatosever. As Sox mentioned they are more efficient, and from what some have said less prone to heat buildup altering your torque & power settings etc via the ECU

Plus the increases in torque as well as power are huge, with loads more for the taking with adequate internal work (plus drivetrain)

[dansedgli]

Im surprised the poll is so close. So many traditionalists on this site that dont like progress :P

Buy mine casper! You can give me lots of money, be done with your goals, and I can buy a nice V8 to get me to the shops and back.

[Walkinshaw]

Hows this for a plan.

1) Get a well designed turbo set up, GT40 roller, 6/2/1 manafold, custom plenum, all the biz to make a sedate and an absolute animal all in one.

2) Get a HUGE stereo install, loud enough so you can't hear anything else

3) Make a CD of supercharger gear whine.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by stockstandard

Both will give you good performance. Every man an his dog seems to have plans to bolt a turbo on the side of their I6. Turbos are attractive for obvious reasons, but I say go with what you have always wanted and get the supercharger.

My thoughts exactly. Sure, you could go for a turbo charger, and it probably would be the more logical option if you're chasing insane power, however it would really be nothing different to every other turboed I6 out there.

So I voted supercharger for the same reason I'm considering supercharging my XF eventually - it's different to what everyone else has.

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by dansedgli

Im surprised the poll is so close. So many traditionalists on this site that dont like progress :P.

We will see on Saturday!

[dansedgli]

Originally Posted by Laminge

We will see on Saturday!

Which saturday? What will we see? Is there a handicap for cars with 2 cylinders less? Im going to heathcote this sunday for some practise runs.

I take it the auto is in and running smoothly?

[LuvinmyEB]

Supercharge it!!

I am so sick to death of hearing blow off valves on every second car that goes past. To me it seems that evey man and his dog is doing it for pure **** factor now. _

Funnily enough I was discussing doing this to the EB eventually as well.. eventually.

Originally Posted by Casper

Because its different, because its oldschool, because it sounds glorious.

My thoughts exactly!! :voldar02:

[xr8ute]

Originally Posted by XRated

I think you also have to really question yourself whether spending more money on a supercharger setup is worth it just because it's old-school and sounds better

Centrifugal superchargers are not really old-school. They are practically a turbo compressor housing driven by a pulley/belt instead of a gas turbine.

What makes the whine is just the straight-cut gears in the head unit. You can get helical cut gears in the same head unit for less noise if you like, but thats no fun.

[dansedgli]

Originally Posted by LuvinmyEB

Supercharge it!!

I am so sick to death of hearing blow off valves on every second car that goes past. To me it seems that evey man and his dog is doing it for pure **** factor now. _

Funnily enough I was discussing doing this to the EB eventually as well.. eventually.


My thoughts exactly!! :voldar02:

Why go slower and put up with other things that are detrimental just so you can be different? Doesnt make much sense, turbos are popular for a reason. ing_sm

[xr8ute]

Originally Posted by LG

... do superchargers have emissions problems? Does a supercharged car need to be engineered?

a supercharger install would have similar emissions problems as a turbo install i.e. you need to significantly increase the capacity of the stock fuel system and recalibrate/replace the factory engine management system to suit.

a supercharger install would need to be engineered as much as a turbo install.

[LuvinmyEB]

Casper, just wondering why you voted Turbo in the poll?

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by dansedgli

Which saturday? What will we see? Is there a handicap for cars with 2 cylinders less? Im going to heathcote this sunday for some practise runs.

I take it the auto is in and running smoothly?

Heathcote take 2 next weekend

be a good line up, even though im still limited to 5000

[dansedgli]

Awesome! I cant wait to see it run!

Limit it to 3500 and Ill call it even! :P

[cArSiK]

i voted supercharger as you allready have spent money on JMM extractors it would be silly to see them wasted with a turbo..

James

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by XRated

One more thing, I don't know myself, but being mechanically driven isn't the supercharger basically running all the time? Hence higher fuel consumption? Whilst you can drive your car sedately off boost (or very little) with a turbo and have the general characteristics of an NA car until you plant the throttle. Maybe I'm totally off here but anyway!!

Actually some modern superchargers have clutch plates internally and detect changes in inertia (acceraleration) so when you press on the loud pedal, which speeds up the crank the clutch grips and you get more boost. When you are cruising the clutch slips and boost lowers.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by cArSiK

i voted supercharger as you allready have spent money on JMM extractors it would be silly to see them wasted with a turbo..

Good point. So, have you made up your mind yet?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

Good point. So, have you made up your mind yet?

Nope. This is just a thread to give me some ideas, I'll make the decision like the rest of my decisions.... after a lot of research, discussion and planning.

[parawolf]

Originally Posted by Casper

Nope. This is just a thread to give me some ideas, I'll make the decision like the rest of my decisions.... after a lot of research, discussion and planning.

Unlike some of us where it is beer, beer and more beer? :

[Sourbastard]

beer, sex, guilt, pity and remorse? oh, and begging.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Casper

Nope. This is just a thread to give me some ideas, I'll make the decision like the rest of my decisions.... after a lot of research, discussion and planning.

Paral'ysis Anal'ysis : : :eclipsee_ Cheeez lookout will be reading about this till it's bloody done : :Reverend:

[buickman]

There was a guy a few years back call Zeus on the www.trueblueford.com forum that had a AU1 ghia with a supercharger fitted to the VCT mtr.

buickman

[chief]

Well as of 6:00 pm on Friday the poll is split 20 votes each. Why did you vote for Turbo Casper? It would be 20 to 19 votes in favour of the supercharger.

My thoughts are the super charger. You have great JMM pipes, it is something different (Most people want to bolt Turbos on), and that blow off sound gives me the insert a censored word here.

[Qwikcorty]

i voted turbo, a gt3540 would be right at home next to the vct rocker cover and look fantastic.
One day id like another turbo car, the rush onto boost is hard to forget in my ea. Maybe a gt40 on my xr8?

[stockstandard]

Another point worth considering. Both setups have a lot of similarity. Either way your going to have to upgrade internals (in the same way), upgrade fuel system and engine management, drivetrain, add oil lines, etc. Its just the last stage thats different - bolt on pulleys and a SC or manifold and turbo. If you go SC, play around with pulley sizes and STILL dont get the power your after, I would think you would be able to sell the supercharger, brackets, pulleys etc for roughly the cost of a turbo and manifold.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Paral'ysis Anal'ysis : : :eclipsee_ Cheeez lookout will be reading about this till it's bloody done : :Reverend:

Nope, once I’ve made up my mind I will just add it to the list and the next anyone will hear of it is when it starts to go in.

Originally Posted by chief

Well as of 6:00 pm on Friday the poll is split 20 votes each. Why did you vote for Turbo Casper? It would be 20 to 19 votes in favour of the supercharger.

Cause I couldn’t be stuffed constantly clicking on “view poll results” all the time. As I said I’m 50/50 at the moment.

Originally Posted by stockstandard

Another point worth considering. Both setups have a lot of similarity. Either way your going to have to upgrade internals (in the same way), upgrade fuel system and engine management, drivetrain, add oil lines, etc. Its just the last stage thats different - bolt on pulleys and a SC or manifold and turbo. If you go SC, play around with pulley sizes and STILL dont get the power your after, I would think you would be able to sell the supercharger, brackets, pulleys etc for roughly the cost of a turbo and manifold.

All very true and a lot of the changes will be done well before the FI goes on. I’d rather only do it once though. I’m not into changing for change sake. I’d rather just do the build and move on to the next step. If I make the wrong decision….I’ll have to live with it. It’s a one shot deal.

[jonbays]

Supercharger. A positive displacement supercharger suits the low revving nature of the falcon better than a turbo which to be raelly honest you will get real power out of without all those 24 valves and dohc and vct etc on the BA.

[Casper]

It would be a centrifugal supercharger. The cost and drama involved in fitting a Positive Displacement SC onto a side mounted I6 manifold is simply too expensive. It would be a custom build for almost every piece.

Vortech V2 v's Garrett GT40 (or similar)

[GK]

Go the turbo with the quiet blow off valve Casper!

Less money now, more power now, and later.

[SWOOP]

voted for blower I will roam the street in a blown car again too!!! its a reacurring dream I tell ya!

In reality anything above 15 psi (both turbo and vortech can achieve) is not going to be too freindly umm race car??. Dan, Ea sprint and a few others are still under this level so its really 6 of one etc etc , brendans ef (troubles I know) still was a low 13,

But a seriously setup properly a blown car (I dont doubt youd take any short cuts casper ,will make your hair stand on end.
Id defnitely look at a procharger ,somthing like that and water/air setup up on a purpose built I6 would be tough as nails

[Moya]

Whats the current range of Turbo kits at the market for the EECV?

I'm thinking, roughly 12 psi, $12k? Plus fitting?