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05-09-2010, 08:32 PM | #61 | |||
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05-09-2010, 08:47 PM | #64 | |||
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Mondeo was the third best selling car in it's segment and has been pretty consistent since its re-introduction to our market. The focus hasn't really changed in that long and i feel has a bit of an image problem, the new model should help this but won't be here until late 2011 or early 2012 from what i understand. All these numbers obviously could really have been better but not if it's at the expense of profit. |
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05-09-2010, 10:40 PM | #65 | |||
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Bring on V8 SC, LiLPG, EcoBoost & new Territ on the local front!!! Plus bring on Diesel Wagon Mondeo, all new Ranger, all new Focus & the next 12 months are looking good!! |
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05-09-2010, 10:43 PM | #66 | |||
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Try 29 months... It was 24 months old in APRIL (first FG builds were April 2008) its now September 2010!!
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05-09-2010, 10:45 PM | #67 | |||
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Holden are still selling SV6's for 36 kay, 5 speed XR6's can be bought for 29,990 drive away!! Im affraid its all because we live in a Holden country where everyone thinks Holdens the best thing since sliced bread because they are Australian, and the Falcons some american piece of ****!! Most people dont realise the Falcons built in australia, and do we ever see Ford put any emphasis on Australia in their marketing?? very little!
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05-09-2010, 10:59 PM | #68 | |||
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06-09-2010, 03:34 AM | #69 | |||
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17% private sales for Falcon is pitiful. But it hasn't changed much - the figure was identical 5 years ago in 2005. |
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06-09-2010, 11:26 AM | #70 | |||
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They are making money only on the engineering projects such as T6 Ranger and Indian Fiesta |
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06-09-2010, 11:40 AM | #71 | ||
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The whole ford marketing thing is correct, but it takes a long long time to undo what has already been done. You can have some ripper one off campaigns but you need to maintain it.
While I do agree its more important to be profitable, its also just as important to be seen as successful. Being number 1 means that people who have NFI about cars general follow whats popular as they are too afraid to stray from the masses. Being number 1 means you can advertise the fact which means it generally has a flow on effect with the rest of the range. Until we get a new terry, FG2 comes in (with hopefully the I4T and a 5.0) then I could never see things changing. FG2 is do or die as far as one of the last whole built Oz falcons goes IMO, the Ve2 already looks dated and doesn't bring much new to the table; FG2 will poo on it. Then it will be solely up to the dealerships and marketing.
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If you're in one of the above mentioned roles, then I apologies... But you really should know better than to saying what you have in a public forum!! |
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06-09-2010, 06:14 PM | #74 | |||
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06-09-2010, 07:21 PM | #75 | |||
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Many Holden people won't buy Fords and many ex Ford people won't buy Fords. It's the latter group that are the problem and Ford haven't really addressed that. Granted FG is a good start, the dealers are a poor finish though. The dealer network must be replaced to move the brand forward. No executive at Ford who is mildly competent would be happy with the current performance of Ford. Yes they may be all high fiving that the profit on an XR is $x more then the XT, but there would be silence when it came to the volume of cars they are selling. You see if they reduce the costs per unit and then sell more units, they make bigger profits. Which is what the mass production car business is about. Declining market share means higher unit costs (or your suppliers are copping it), less profit in sales, spares and service for dealers and less mind share with the public. Yes they are surviving, but they have a product range that could and should sell much better and the punters won't touch it. Problem is it only takes a few years to sour your reputation with the punters and many more years to repair it. I think that is the challenge Ford now faces and what we are all watching Ford Australia come to grips with now. Dan |
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The Ranger is looking very good, I'm amazed they can sell 150 Escape models, it has some tough competition. Territory is finally breaking the thousands again, and Falcon ute and sedan remains steady. Surprised the 50th Edition models haven't brought the figure up. Hopefully a new Territory and new V8 Falcon can get private sales a little higher, and next year ECOBoost can kick behind with the fleets. With Ford taking #1 spot at the Sydney Motor Show, they seem to be on the mend. Revise the advertising, and hopefully we can jump a little closer to Holden and push Mazda and Hyundai back a bit...
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PS: why don't you take your car down to both dealers a give us an idea of the better change-over on say XR6/SV6 and this weekend I'll do the same with my G6ET for a Calais V-v8. Last edited by Dr Smith; 07-09-2010 at 05:05 PM. |
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However like I said lets do the research and give everyone here some real world feedback. |
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B. What kind of loser do you think I am, that I'm going to waste me weekend & dealers time getting quotes for trade in when I'm not looking to buy a new car?? |
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And you can’t just say “My comments can only apply to the one I quote”, when the one you quoted is quoting another. By doing this you have missed interpreting my quote because you have not understood the first quote!! It is like joining a conversion mid point & then ignoring what was said at the start! |
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Ford are talking about doubling Fiesta market share from 8% to 15%, and in a segment that is growing at double digit rates, expect to see Fiesta topping 2,000 units a month for the first time mid-late 2011. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257790000CAA25 Quote:
Territory will be completely refreshed and offer a class leading diesel. Volumes could reach the 2,000/mth levels last seen in 2005/6. FPV models will be back up and running and contributing 100/mth as of October 2010 to the Falcon's figures. Ecoboost and LiLPG can do great things for Falcon in 2011. Ranger T6 is coming. The current model is selling very well and the new model should continue the upward trend. Focus will disappoint in 2011, before shining again in 2012 when the Focus3 arrives. The Focus RS will provide a temporary shot of 315 sales for this year. Most likely in the month of October.
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So Falcon is just 19% private sales. And Ford has a higher percentage of fleet sales than Toyota and Holden.
What does Ford need to get more private buyers in? All along I have said private buyers want more wagons or hatches but thats gone from Falcon now. Is it time to make the XR6 permanently $36990 driveaway? Maybe getting rid of the dreadfully uninspiring current Falcon marketing. |
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