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22-01-2012, 08:39 AM | #61 | ||
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Here is what I regard as TRUE muscle cars
Ford Galaxie 427 Mustang Boss 429 Thunderbolt Torino Cobra Mercury Monterey Mercury S 55 Mercury Comet Mercury cyclone Mercury montego Mercury Cougar XR 7 Phase III GTHO G.M. Buick Wildcat Oldsmobile 4-4-2 Oldsmobile Cutlass W 31 Chevelle SS Chevrolet Biscayne Chevrolet Impala SS Pontiac GTO Monaro HG 350 Chrysler Dodge Polara ( The car that started it all ) Dodge Super Bee Dodge Charger 440 6 Pack Dodge Dart Dodge Coronet Plymouth Duster Plymouth Satellite Plymouth Belvedere Plymouth Barracuda Charger RT E 49 South Africa also got into muscle cars too with the Firenza Can Am ( Vauxhall Firenza with a 302 Chev ) Ford Perana ( Capri with a 302 ) Which brings us to the undisputed granddaddys of the muscle car genre The Plymouth Roadrunner and Dodge Charger Daytona Doubtless there are a few I have forgotten but the above list is what truly embodies a TRUE muscle car . Last edited by wrongwaynorris; 22-01-2012 at 08:46 AM. |
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22-01-2012, 09:31 AM | #62 | ||
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To me a muscle car is something that looks tuff ( end of story). And if you have to look it up in a dictionary to see what it means, then you have missed the concept. Because I'm sure all the scholars that put the book together would be into cars.
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22-01-2012, 09:38 AM | #63 | |||
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If you mean late C2s and early (chrome bumper) C3s then you are so wrong that it hurts. A stock 71 LS5 (the base 454 which idles at 600, and is easy to drive) ran the quarter in 14.1 seconds, 0-100 kph in mid 5s, IRS, same weight as a similarly optioned XY, lower coefficient of drag-area and has big 4 pistons all round. Top speed at least 140 mph. This was the overweight base model! The Nagari couldn't keep up with Phase 3, let alone a big block Corvette. That said, after 71 they got a bit stodgy.
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22-01-2012, 10:02 AM | #65 | ||
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Because drag racing is accessible AND directly comparable, perhaps?
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22-01-2012, 10:03 AM | #66 | ||
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And additionally, it depends on the track. The early C3s were extremely competitive at Le Mans.
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22-01-2012, 10:18 AM | #69 | |||
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And to me, an all-round sports car should be fast in a straight line as well. Early C3s are as fast as any muscle car, but handle better and brake a LOT better.
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http://corvette-racing.tripod.com/id14.html
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Any imbecile can build a fragile fast short term car , there's NO skill in that whatsoever . Still when you start with a sows ear you are NEVER going to end up with silk purse so Scuderia Filipinetti ( as was John Greenwood ) were up against it from the outset . |
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22-01-2012, 10:39 AM | #72 | ||
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I just have to ask: do you hate the GTHO too? Because the criticisms you have of the late C2s and early C3s apply to that car too. The Corvette would walk a HO in any category. Indeed most muscle cars in any category.
Or is it because GM used the word sports car? Is this a semantic game?
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22-01-2012, 10:58 AM | #74 | ||
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Thought so.
The title 'Grand Tourer' ring any bells? The HO is not much of one. But I don't judge the car on its stupid moniker, rather on it's peers and abilities.
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22-01-2012, 11:26 AM | #79 | ||
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Over powered, under tyred, handling deficiant dinosaurs of a by-gone era the likes of which we will never see produced again.
That's why i love my 2100kg, 18.5 foot long, (soon to be) 493 cubic inch (8 litre), 1350 cfm six pack carburetor fed, gas guzzling, rice eating Chrysler 300 dinosaur! |
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25-01-2012, 06:37 PM | #80 | ||
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A mate of mine wrote this on another forum where the discussion of Aussie Muscle Cars came up..
I Don't believe that Every Car Manufactured between 1960-1990 to be a "Australian Musclecar" Musclecars are.. GT/GTHO Falcons GTS V8 Monaro's, GTR/XU 1/SLR 5000 Toranas Pacers/RT Chargers Thats IT Nothing Else.. All Others are Classic Cars from the "Musclecar Era", Including Goss specials, GS's, K codes what ever, just Classics from the Great Era. That covers what I think pretty much too, again discussing Aussie Muscle and classics.. Nothing new no matter how fast or powerful is a muscle car either, just a performance car.
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Right on brother! Throw up a pic so we see what a real muscle car looks like. In the meantime here's one of my 70 GTO ... |
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26-01-2012, 08:16 AM | #82 | ||
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stripes and scoops define a muscle car..
maybe cartoon characters, too.
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26-01-2012, 08:43 AM | #83 | ||
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I always thought a muscle car was something that had a more powerful engine (as in power to weight ratio)than was sensible,and it also had to look a bit tougher than the base model,
So when it drove past people turned there heads to check it out as it had that something tough look at me hear me feel me. as for a silly comment earlier that GT HO's were not a grand tourer,you need a brain check,go to Sydney and back to Melbourne or similar journey at a fast pace and you will change your mind
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27-01-2012, 05:24 AM | #84 | ||
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27-01-2012, 08:23 AM | #86 | ||
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Biscayne (in specific years) was available with dual quad 409 .. And the 427 W-block in racing applications (yes they were raced in NASCAR as "stock" cars)
Belvedere is a B-body Mopar (ie intermediate) so not sure why it's a tank .. It was the basis for the GTX and later the RoadRunner, etc. But it was available with dual quad 426 HEMI .. So your version of underpowered would be interesting? |
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27-01-2012, 08:44 AM | #87 | ||
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Not to sound like a bore, but this thread and variations of this thread keep popping up a few times a year. Might be a good idea to do a search......
Any way basically a muscle car traditionally goes fast in a straight line, not the best round corners, is loud & proud with its styling, & requires you to take out a mortgage to buy fuel to go down the shops.....
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27-01-2012, 09:45 AM | #88 | ||
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After four of the same post you are sounding like a bore.
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27-01-2012, 10:55 AM | #89 | ||
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Sorry about the duplicate posts - it's my fault as I'm introducing a change.
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27-01-2012, 03:35 PM | #90 | |||
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Well, left turns at least...
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