New Hoon Laws Effective 1st July - Vic *Semi Explained* - Page 3

RG · 02-07-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

I think that there is a serious risk that this will happen.

Think of it from the 'hoons' point of view. They have just been spotted doing their third hoon offence. If they stop they will lose their car, their licence and cop a hefty fine. If they try to get away, they may succeed and get away scott free. Even if they do get caught the penalties will not be all that different.

Exactly my point, pretty scary when you think about it.

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 01:44 PM

on one hand we have cars being targeted for defects etc.
on the other hand we have drivers being targeted for 'risky' driving.
i think its time we all drove stock camry's 10km below the speed limit with traction control on.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 02:08 PM

I really am having trouble coming to terms with how stupid half of you blokes think the car fraternity in general really are , one asks a question of how to determine the loss of traction was intentional , we do not all wear rose coloured glasses. Christ get real this has been coming for years because most idiots can,t distinguish when and where to let loose instead they always want to do it in in built up ares were presense of the law is usually just around the corner. insurance companies as well as the general public are sick of being put at risk. If any of you think i am just blowing wind up a dogs rear then hear me good . We have just gone through years of having my eldest in and out of court for driving offences , last time the judge actually wanted to sight the car for one purpose and that was satisfy his own mind that what he was about to do was the right thing. (1) he was placed on a curfew after 9.00pm the car was not to be on the road . he was bannned from entering areas such as avondale heights , chapel st and (4) other suburbs if he was seen in those ares he was to be escorted out of the area if he failed to comply he would have his car impounded and it would be sold to pay the fines he was going to incur. and you all scream the law is unfair cruising is just that cruising not lairising . Get with the times and grow up and stop carrying on like spoilt bloody brats that think this government owes you , we are all in the same boat young and old alike. band together to try and make things better instead of idle threats that are going to destroy car enthuesiests as a whole

RG · 02-07-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

I really am having trouble coming to terms with how stupid half of you blokes think the car fraternity in general really are , one asks a question of how to determine the loss of traction was intentional , we do not all wear rose coloured glasses. Christ get real this has been coming for years because most idiots can,t distinguish when and where to let loose instead they always want to do it in in built up ares were presense of the law is usually just around the corner. insurance companies as well as the general public are sick of being put at risk. If any of you think i am just blowing wind up a dogs rear then hear me good . We have just gone through years of having my eldest in and out of court for driving offences , last time the judge actually wanted to sight the car for one purpose and that was satisfy his own mind that what he was about to do was the right thing. (1) he was placed on a curfew after 9.00pm the car was not to be on the road . he was bannned from entering areas such as avondale heights , chapel st and (4) other suburbs if he was seen in those ares he was to be escorted out of the area if he failed to comply he would have his car impounded and it would be sold to pay the fines he was going to incur. and you all scream the law is unfair cruising is just that cruising not lairising . Get with the times and grow up and stop carrying on like spoilt bloody brats that think this government owes you , we are all in the same boat young and old alike. band together to try and make things better instead of idle threats that are going to destroy car enthuesiests as a whole

The question still remains though, and it would also apply to your son. Would he run from the police if he had 2 prior hoon related offences and was at risk of losing his car?

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 02:50 PM

Knowing him the way a father does i have no fear that given the circumstance and having no fear and thinking he had the ability of numerous V8 supercar drivers he would give it a try for two reasons and that being Bragging rights and the testing of his ability to make a mockery of the whole law process. Not realising that they would more than likely be waiting for him in his driveway when he got home. At the end of the day laws of the land are there for everybody not just a certain few , at the end of the day speed does kill and i for one would dred the day i would have to try and identify any member of my family that was killed in some horriffic car accident because of speed. I spend everyday on victoria's roads as a truck driver and see some things that would make your hair stand on end. ALL I CAN SAY IS BRING IT ON AND NOT BEFORE TIME. AS IF IT WAS ONE OF MY FAMILY KILLED BY A HOON NO COPPER IS GOING TO PROTECT THEM IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO THEY WERE.

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 02:51 PM

what was done to your son seems more fair then whats being put on everyone else.
i'd rather be on restricted terms, mayme car 'deregistered' for a period of time or similar rather then them just taking my car.
we have every right to complain.

Van D · 02-07-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenEL

The question still remains though, and it would also apply to your son. Would he run from the police if he had 2 prior hoon related offences and was at risk of losing his car?

+1

And with how violent some of the younger 'hoons' can be these days, I wouldn't put it past them to create even more backlash towards police.

RG · 02-07-2006, 02:56 PM

I still fail to see the difference between confiscation and theft, apart from the fact that your insurance company won't pay up if your car is confiscated.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 02:57 PM

Well how many strikes do you want before you lose your car 10,20,50 get real after three if thats not enough to get it through your head then you deserve to suffer the penalty christ 3 chances is lenient in certain area's of the US 1 is all you get it is towed straight away. Laws are in place for everybody not just some if you don't like it buy a push bike and get out of cars as you really have no respect for either "your car or the law"

RG · 02-07-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

Well how many strikes do you want before you lose your car 10,20,50 get real after three if thats not enough to get it through your head then you deserve to suffer the penalty christ 3 chances is lenient in certain area's of the US 1 is all you get it is towed straight away. Laws are in place for everybody not just some if you don't like it buy a push bike and get out of cars as you really have no respect for either "your car or the law"

I think that you have completely misunderstood what we are trying to say. Do you really think that a "hoon" will, after 2 previous offences under these laws, see the party lights flashing behind him/her after ripping it up in the macca's car park and think "oh darn i've been busted again in my $60,000 car/parents car I better pull over and let them take it off my hands as I am not a safe and responsible road user". No they are naturally going to think "*****, cops...RUN".

T_Terror · 02-07-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

Knowing him the way a father does i have no fear that given the circumstance and having no fear and thinking he had the ability of numerous V8 supercar drivers he would give it a try for two reasons and that being Bragging rights and the testing of his ability to make a mockery of the whole law process. Not realising that they would more than likely be waiting for him in his driveway when he got home. At the end of the day laws of the land are there for everybody not just a certain few , at the end of the day speed does kill and i for one would dred the day i would have to try and identify any member of my family that was killed in some horriffic car accident because of speed. I spend everyday on victoria's roads as a truck driver and see some things that would make your hair stand on end. ALL I CAN SAY IS BRING IT ON AND NOT BEFORE TIME. AS IF IT WAS ONE OF MY FAMILY KILLED BY A HOON NO COPPER IS GOING TO PROTECT THEM IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO THEY WERE.

First of all it sounds like you have a big problem with you son.

Do you not realise that the new law is pushing your son to take extreme risks and run from the police if hes ever caught in the wrong? If ever you were likely to have to come to a morgue to identify him it would be now.

It sounds like your son was dealt very fairly by the judge, why would you want to increase the penalty?

At the end of the day speed is not what kills and "hoons" dont go around killing people. Youre much more likely to be hurt by a drunk driver or even more likely= someone whos just a crap steerer!

And by the way i drive for a living too and see LOTS of bad driving but nothing that warrants loosing a car over.

*by the way, most road offences carry maximum sentences of jail time which would definitely apply for serial offenders. Jail is pretty bad...

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 03:07 PM

all we're getting at is: by all means tackle hoons, take cars for 48 hours, 3 months... but confiscated for good? the law can get ****** if they think we support that.

Van D · 02-07-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

all we're getting at is: by all means tackle hoons, take cars for 48 hours, 3 months... but confiscated for good? the law can get ****** if they think we support that.

As much as i'd say 'hoons' deserve what they get, I agree with this.

Simply taking someones car off them is too far IMO, they most likely own it (or their parents do) and have probably put a lot of time/money into it if their an enthusiast. And fair enough, if they do it three times they shouldn't be on the ROAD, I don't think it's a reason to take someones car for good.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 03:15 PM

he dodged the issue by selling the car and buying another leaving some other unsuspecting driver to cop s**t for reasons he would know nothing about gee thats really responsible . Even with what restrictions had been put on him he still flaunted the issue. Bottom line to this whole issue is that the offences theser guy's /chicks are being hounded for are illegal PURE and SIMPLE you do the crime then do the time and with the modifiacations i see written in a lot of replies i would be interetsed in how many of you defending the actions of these idiots are fully comprehensivly insured in case you do hit anybody . Even if you are with shannons or vigil what ever if your car is deemed to be un r/worthy you have no insurance or did you not know that either.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 03:21 PM

As a board member it sounds like you are codoning the use of lairising insted of looking at it from a club point of view and the massive ramifications this is going to bring on us as a club especially on a cruise situation . So i ask you to clarify your stand on this as being a board member of a club that has some extremelly noticible vehicles in it .

RG · 02-07-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

he dodged the issue by selling the car and buying another leaving some other unsuspecting driver to cop s**t for reasons he would know nothing about gee thats really responsible . Even with what restrictions had been put on him he still flaunted the issue. Bottom line to this whole issue is that the offences theser guy's /chicks are being hounded for are illegal PURE and SIMPLE you do the crime then do the time and with the modifiacations i see written in a lot of replies i would be interetsed in how many of you defending the actions of these idiots are fully comprehensivly insured in case you do hit anybody . Even if you are with shannons or vigil what ever if your car is deemed to be un r/worthy you have no insurance or did you not know that either.

Who said anything about unroadworthy cars, if you are suggesting in anyway that a modified car is/should be classed as unroadworthy (as it would appear you are) I find that personally offensive and I don't think that this is really the right place for you. I understand your frustration with your son, but what is stopping a "hoon" from buying another car the day after theirs is confiscated or borrowing someone else's and doing the exact same thing? Nothing that's what.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 03:32 PM

IF you read what i have written correctly you will then understand that if a vehicle has been modified the insurance company will classify it as not eligible for the insurance to pay out (ie) the running of wheel spacers, air pods, lowereing of vehicle, how much more do you want this is 2006 in case you have forgotten not 1960 . And as you keep relating to my son it comes back to just that he was dealt with to easily for what was just sensless stupidity and not just once we lost count with how many time he was to appear in court finally 1 magistrate took it on himself to impose what he did instead of goal time when in actual fact he had the ability to take him out of society

RG · 02-07-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

IF you read what i have written correctly you will then understand that if a vehicle has been modified the insurance company will classify it as not eligible for the insurance to pay out (ie) the running of wheel spacers, air pods, lowereing of vehicle, how much more do you want this is 2006 in case you have forgotten not 1960 . And as you keep relating to my son it comes back to just that he was dealt with to easily for what was just sensless stupidity and not just once we lost count with how many time he was to appear in court finally 1 magistrate took it on himself to impose what he did instead of goal time when in actual fact he had the ability to take him out of society

That's being a bit stereotypical I think. If you would care to take a look at the list of mods in my signature you will see that there is nothing illegal there. It also appears that you are trying to place the behaviour of your son onto the court system to fix as opposed to him standing up and taking responsibility for his own actions. I'm sorry if that sounds a bit harsh but one's behaviour can only be fixed and changed by one's self.

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 03:44 PM

the only issue i have with the new law is the ability for the police to take cars for good.
i have no problems with them being inpounded temporarily.
we try to prevent hooning etc on cruises as much as possible, and thus far it has been effective.

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 03:45 PM

this thread has nothing to do with the state of the cars being drivin in the hoonish manner.. thats a matter for defects etc which has nothing to do with this.
this law is tackling drivers, not cars.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 03:51 PM

precisly that and that is the bottom line here the people involved taking the concequences for their own actions it is all in your right foot and by having the respect for others and the ramifications this is having on everyone. if you don't put yourself in the situation it won't happen SIMPLE . Everyone knows the problem areas just don't frequent them and leave for yourself open to the chances.
Also if one of these clowns does bolt from the scene and has an accident and he is insurred the insurrance company will look at the vehicle and try to weasel it's way out of paying by using the reasons i have just stated and then where does that leave you if it is your car or family they hit . Think of that issue whilst some poor bugger possibly loses their family member or worst.

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 03:55 PM

doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

**Full Noise** · 02-07-2006, 03:57 PM

As stated earlier by some people, this law has the propensity to cause more problems than it could ever possibly fix.

It’s a beautiful day here in Germany, the year 1933... Oh sorry, I meant Victoria 2006 although there doesn’t seem to be a lot of difference these days between the two.

Whenever a law is introduced there are always situations where that law can be exploited by the powers that be. This is just another example of some incompetent crackpot government playing on the fears of the general community. Keep the people scared and you can just about pass any law, it seems these days.

In the words of tiny Tim Holding, Victorias police minister, we want to get these hoons off the streets, so they can’t cause death and mayhem.

Fact: You are more likely to die from prostate or breast cancer than by the direct actions of a so called hoon.

RG · 02-07-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

precisly that and that is the bottom line here the people involved taking the concequences for their own actions it is all in your right foot and by having the respect for others and the ramifications this is having on everyone. if you don't put yourself in the situation it won't happen SIMPLE . Everyone knows the problem areas just don't frequent them and leave for yourself open to the chances.
Also if one of these clowns does bolt from the scene and has an accident and he is insurred the insurrance company will look at the vehicle and try to weasel it's way out of paying by using the reasons i have just stated and then where does that leave you if it is your car or family they hit . Think of that issue whilst some poor bugger possibly loses their family member or worst.

That is exactly the problem with these laws as we have been saying. These laws will cause more problems and issues than what they resolve.

EFFalcon · 02-07-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Fact: You are more likely to die from prostate or breast cancer than by the direct actions of a so called hoon.

I wish the general public were aware of this, as far as they're concerned, hoons are anyone with a modified car seen to be disturbing their daily commute to work, weather it be loud music, lane changing on freeways or parking in groups at the local Maccas.
as per usual its an issue of the general public being misled.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 04:05 PM

They have already started to resolve it by just this all of you are now aware that if you continue to flaunt the system you will lose your car!!!!! none of you want that so you will be less likely to put yourself at risk by being a galah . you have all answered your own questions . it's called being aware of the rules that have been put in place within this society

RG · 02-07-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

They have already started to resolve it by just this all of you are now aware that if you continue to flaunt the system you will lose your car!!!!! none of you want that so you will be less likely to put yourself at risk by being a galah . you have all answered your own questions . it's called being aware of the rules that have been put in place within this society

So what you are saying is that before these laws we were all idiots who ripped skids at every possible opportunity?

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 04:10 PM

instead of sittin here whingin and bitchin clubs like our's and the forum should be pushing the government for more area's such what sydney did by pushing for W.S.I.D and getting in touch with more clubs here in vic and pushing for legitamate ways to solve the issue a handful of people is not going too make any difference it has to be done on mass. how about a protest drive to parliment house by maybe a thousand cars and their families.

MIEF9640 · 02-07-2006, 04:16 PM

That is exactly what i would have expected as a reply if you are not guilty of any disgressions to this matter then what is the problem you really are trying to address . The drag racing clubs got behind you at the airport up there and bugger all locals would turn up and compete so get with the real world people have given you support and yet hardly anybody could give two hoots . Maybe you could look at that issue as well

RG · 02-07-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

That is exactly what i would have expected as a reply if you are not guilty of any disgressions to this matter then what is the problem you really are trying to address . The drag racing clubs got behind you at the airport up there and bugger all locals would turn up and compete so get with the real world people have given you support and yet hardly anybody could give two hoots . Maybe you could look at that issue as well

That is a completely different issue and has nothing to do with what we are talking about here. I know that my car will not ever get confiscated for so called "hoon" offences. But I also know that these laws will cause adrenealin charged young people to run from the police putting more lives at stake. How would you feel about these laws if someone you knew was killed/injured by someone running as a result of them.