Automotive trends that need to die in 2023

[MITCHAY]

I think you can have a hybrid but the whole thing is a bit over the top.

Having said that, it's quite ****en funny is years ago I stuffed my cluster trying to change the colour by sanding off the green but is only a button away now

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

These systems only exist so that car companies gain extra economy on the government fuel economy ratings.

Part of the simulated drive loop during the test is for periods at idle, in theory simulating stopping at a set of lights. If the engine is not running at this stage of the test, then the overall fuel use and therefore final numbers is much better.

Because this feature is used to gain those numbers at an official level, the system MUST default to on rather than something that is turned on.

In the real world, stopping and starting the engine saves little to no fuel at all.

It's more to do with Gaming the Emission the Vehicle emits. Than saving Fuel...IMHO

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by hayseed

It's more to do with Gaming the Emission the Vehicle emits. Than saving Fuel...IMHO

That's what my post was alluding to.

It's the same with bi-modal or active exhaust systems, the default mode on startup is the setting that helps pass the noise emission test. Anyone who has driven a 2018+ Mustang in track mode will know it would unlikely pass with the amount of volume those have.

[XRtowcar]

Drive(l) posting what Holden Commodore model would have been released this year.
Get over it, there gone.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Drive(l) posting what Holden Commodore model would have been released this year.
Get over it, there gone.

Really?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

I thought we all learnt our lesson here with the XF dash 36 years ago

Can not believe even now, restorers/modifiers want to stick these things in instead of the original ones.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Drive(l) posting what Holden Commodore model would have been released this year.
Get over it, there gone.

It’s an obsession with them. Continually putting articles about Holden and Commodore and what might have been.

They just can’t let it go. No one cares anymore.

[danzvtil]

Every twin cab jacked up with 40 grand of ARB/Redarc accessories, we get it, you FIFO and have disposable income……

[stock1991]

I would rather spend couple grand staying on the road

[lra]

The opening lines of a 'road test review' by Carsales.com.au .............

When you unlock the doors and get into the 2023 GWM Ora Lightning Cat you are greeted at start-up by a sequence of cartoon cats complete with meows, which is surprisingly cute.

Nudge, nudge , say no more. (sigh)

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by lra

The opening lines of a 'road test review' by Carsales.com.au .............

When you unlock the doors and get into the 2023 GWM Ora Lightning Cat you are greeted at start-up by a sequence of cartoon cats complete with meows, which is surprisingly cute.

Nudge, nudge , say no more. (sigh)

That sounds like it should be an ADR.

[Sprintey]

Absolutely yes in favour of the traditional gauge cluster.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Every twin cab jacked up with 40 grand of ARB/Redarc accessories, we get it, you FIFO and have disposable income……

Yep the covid rig has become ubiquitous. For fun, have a look at the share price of ARB a) during lockdowns and free stimulus money and b) after stimulus ended

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Yep the covid rig has become ubiquitous. For fun, have a look at the share price of ARB a) during lockdowns and free stimulus money and b) after stimulus ended

$55 down to $25? Who’d have imagined that!

[Sprintey]

Would've taken a brave soul indeed to short the thing when it was at highs and half of Australia was 4wding anywhere it bloody wanted to all over the country paying ridiculous caravan park prices

[gkhn]

Electricity as fuel needs to die.
Why can't they build an LPG generator? They can still use AC motors as driveline.

Smart headlights need to die
Some new cars on the road blind my eyes. They should stop making them brighter each year.

Over engineered technology in cars needs to die(just because they can)
Make cars simple.
Less electronics.

[prktkljokr]

They need to introduce tech that stops people driving over my lawn and sprinklers

[Bossxr8]

Vegan leather. If it's vegan, then it sure as hell ain't leather. Just call it what it is, vinyl, and not try to claim it's some kind of leather so you can charge extra for it to suck extra dollars out of hippies.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Vegan leather. If it's vegan, then it sure as hell ain't leather. Just call it what it is, vinyl, and not try to claim it's some kind of leather so you can charge extra for it to suck extra dollars out of hippies.

Maybe because vegan leather is not made from polyvinyl chloride (pvc, or vinyl) either? I'm not sure exactly what goes into 'vegan leather' but I don't think the majority of it contains any pvc at all.

But it wouldn't be the first time a car manufacturer has called something it isn't, right? How about the 'leather' in our late model Falcons, for eg? Certainly not what came off the animal.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by gkhn

Electricity as fuel needs to die.
Why can't they build an LPG generator? They can still use AC motors as driveline.

Smart headlights need to die
Some new cars on the road blind my eyes. They should stop making them brighter each year.

Over engineered technology in cars needs to die(just because they can)
Make cars simple.
Less electronics.

this pic is popular in this thread

[stefcio007]

Tesla started it and Genesis (Hyundai) has followed.
Can we stop this before it becomes a thing?
I have found these are really difficult to open one handed and sometimes I only have one hand free.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...g?v=1571745052

[Sprintey]

The last point is good though - less electronics. If there were less electronics the semiconductor shortage would not have hammered the industry as hard.
It would remove vulnerability in the production chain.

I watched the launch of the new Defender and the engineer mentioned with pride it had more than 80 computers in it and I thought "Well, they are not serious about winning the bush reliability test in Australia, then."

Check the switchgear in the Ineos Grenadier in contrast - that will last and perform it's function when most new cars will be scrap. And you can re-wire it yourself in the field. That's the future.

[lra]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Vegan leather. If it's vegan, then it sure as hell ain't leather. Just call it what it is, vinyl, and not try to claim it's some kind of leather so you can charge extra for it to suck extra dollars out of hippies.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/veg...dly-car-brands

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

The last point is good though - less electronics. If there were less electronics the semiconductor shortage would not have hammered the industry as hard.
It would remove vulnerability in the production chain.

I watched the launch of the new Defender and the engineer mentioned with pride it had more than 80 computers in it and I thought "Well, they are not serious about winning the bush reliability test in Australia, then."

Check the switchgear in the Ineos Grenadier in contrast - that will last and perform it's function when most new cars will be scrap. And you can re-wire it yourself in the field. That's the future.

Automotive industry got hit hard because chip manufacturers weren't interested in replenishing stock of legacy technology over current. Priority was given to industries that used newer chips such as consumer electronics, server and network infrastructure, etc.

Don't kid yourself, the Grenadier is not a horse and cart vehicle, it's got complex electronics as well. It's also powered by a BMW diesel engine, not exactly a legacy engine.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Maybe because vegan leather is not made from polyvinyl chloride (pvc, or vinyl) either? I'm not sure exactly what goes into 'vegan leather' but I don't think the majority of it contains any pvc at all.

But it wouldn't be the first time a car manufacturer has called something it isn't, right? How about the 'leather' in our late model Falcons, for eg? Certainly not what came off the animal.

Either way, it's not leather.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Automotive industry got hit hard because chip manufacturers weren't interested in replenishing stock of legacy technology over current. Priority was given to industries that used newer chips such as consumer electronics, server and network infrastructure, etc.

Don't kid yourself, the Grenadier is not a horse and cart vehicle, it's got complex electronics as well. It's also powered by a BMW diesel engine, not exactly a legacy engine.

When you have all these commercial automotive diesel engine suppliers like Cummins et al with engines available - makes you wonder why they made that decision

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

When you have all these commercial automotive diesel engine suppliers like Cummins et al with engines available - makes you wonder why they made that decision

Might have decline a Chinese Cummins and considering being basically a Landrover body which had connections to BMW in the past.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

When you have all these commercial automotive diesel engine suppliers like Cummins et al with engines available - makes you wonder why they made that decision

And the fact Ineos have a tie in with Mercedes Benz.

[kypez]

Get rid of all buttons I say. All I want is an indicator stalk and manual wipers. The rest can go. When I jump into my GTF, I'm greet with that centre stack of buttons! Buttons I've never used my entire ownership as any changes I make, I try to do on the screen first.

The Mustang steering wheel buttons are another head scratcher. Literally every feature is a button on the steering and you can't just get to one easily like on the GTF with its simple steering buttons. Less is more! Enabling the Cruise and then setting it is a pain on the Mustang.

GET RID OF BUTTONS!

[Franco Cozzo]

With how crap Mazda cars are to drive these days isolating the driver from everything, **** off the steering wheel and pedals and give me a PS5 controller to drive it with so I can sit in the back and drive