Rolf has been found guilty

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

As for you Trevor, feel free to come round and do that and, like I said, it will be dealt with immediately as it should be not 30 years

it wasn't an actual offer, but more of a way to personalise it so that some people actually get the point, and that point it is not OK to touch women (or men) inappropriately

[Nova 8]

I know it wasn't an actual offer, neither was mine. Either way I know women who have been raped and the one that was actually raped almost 30 years ago always regretted not doing anything about it cause the guy, whom was know to her, could have raped others afterward cause she failed to act. This is something that still haunts her to this day and advice I have heard her give others. Also when approaching police the victims can be given options such as counciling which can literally be life saving.

Reaching out is hard but the downfalls of not doing so can be far, far worse.

Also with this particular case, if it made it into the media back in the day due to witness outrage women may have felt they could speak up, like they are now. People did witness him fondling women beyound the slap on the **** I mention earlier (I don't agree with slapping women on the butt but understand it was, sadly, acceptable in the day.)


I'm done with this thread, I'm gonna stay out of it from now on. Feel free to pm me if you feel the desire.

[Bossxr8]

Apparently they found a significant record of accessing child porn on Rolf's computer, which he has tried to delete all record of, but for some technicality they couldn't use it in court. I think it was because they thought it would prejudice the jury if they knew the details?

So there is significant evidence against him, inside and outside of the court case.

How did he manage to get away with it for so long, same with Jimmy Saville. Not surprisingly they both turned up together one day in the 70's to a women's hospital, right on the time the nurses changed the women's gowns. Deviants.

[Batmobile]

Originally Posted by Nova 8

I almost lost my job a few years ago for reporting sexual assault in the work force cause the woman said nothing happeneds due to fear of losing her job even though I saw different. If it wasn't for another woman coming forward saying she got harassed too I would have been fired. If it was reported the first time it could have save the other from getting assaulted. So yes, if you see someone doing crap like this and say nothing YOU are letting them down and all those to come. As for me saying it was just a slap on the ****, you can't apply the level of political correctness we have today, our current way of thinking is totally different and it was more culturally accepted back then, inappropriate in my mind but still.

Today, as a witness to sexual assault in the work place , you re as guilty as the offender - by not reporting the incident witnessed , it is deemed that you have approved those actions .. By your silence.
Todays work place , be it in the corporate , skilled and or unskilled place , has become very cloudy in what actions are appropriate and what is no longer acceptable ..
I have found over the years , you are constantly walking a tight rope between silence or saying something , only to be misunderstood and reported for assault / harassment on the grounds of the list of non negotiables .
Today's space no longer is about touch , you can be evading someone space , due to your smell, language, spoken word, whether you clear your throat constantly , etc..
Is a mine field out there . So tread carefully please .. And yes, no sympathy for Rolf , has was allowed by others to continue to make inappropriate actions to others , so much so, it became the norm . Sad !!

[LoudPipes]

The shame the victim feels places unbelievable forces that stops them from coming forward.
Not wanting to live the moment over again so as not to compound the assault throws up even more barriers.
If we can’t understand this basic fear then we are in no position to judge.
It is this shame and fear that the perpetrator uses to their advantage.
Shame when coupled with the unusually charismatic nature of some perpetrators allows them to successfully offend over and over again.
I commend anyone who can stand up and report such personal abuse.
I can also sympathise with those that can’t.
Cross examining victims from news articles is pointless, go sit in a court room and witness a sexual abuse case in action then draw some conclusions. See the real life distress of the victims and shed a tear for them.
Now don’t get me started on domestic violent against women.
How many people have known of a woman who has been assaulted/attacked by their spouse and not reported it?
We as humans have an unbelievable capacity to turn a blind eye and not get involved.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Batmobile

Today, as a witness to sexual assault in the work place , you re as guilty as the offender - by not reporting the incident witnessed , it is deemed that you have approved those actions .. By your silence.

that is not quite correct, I teach stuff related to this, the victim could take civil action against you if you know or saw what happened and chose to not be involved, it is a long bow and probably wouldn't do well in court

[LTDHO]

This is by no means a way of justifying his actions but these incidences were in the 70's and 80's, a different time then today.

A slap on the back side today will see you thrown out of any place of employment now, but then, not so much.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

This is by no means a way of justifying his actions but these incidences were in the 70's and 80's, a different time then today.

A slap on the back side today will see you thrown out of any place of employment now, but then, not so much.

That is true, values have changed but this case also involves underage girls and women that where at the mercy of a stronger entity and that cannot go unpunished.

The same reason why today the law doesn’t allow Priests, Doctors, School Teachers and the like to have relationships with people they deal with in their occupational capacity regardless of those people being over the age of consent or not.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

That is true, values have changed but this case also involves underage girls and women that where at the mercy of a stronger entity and that cannot go unpunished.

The same reason why today the law doesn’t allow Priests, Doctors, School Teachers and the like to have relationships with people they deal with in their occupational capacity regardless of those people being over the age of consent or not.

One of my high school teachers formed a relationship and got married to an ex student after she finished school.

I thought that was a bit suspect but its all above board, the person is out of school.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by ltd

Just a point of information as to the catholic priests allegedly being the worst offenders in the world - it couldn't be further from the truth.

Of all vocations priests rank amongst the lowest percentage in the world of sexual offenders - with less than 1 percent being offenders.

Amongst the highest percentile of offenders are judges, police, and the worst are the boy-scouts.
Further, you're 8 times more likely to be offended against as a child by a relative than you are by a priest; a far cry from the images perpetrated by the media. If journalists weren't scared they'd blow the lid off the religion of peace - and the endemic of underage marriages from men to pre-teenagers.

If you haven't been able to figure out why the catholic church has the royal commission into it (in big bold type) and other religions (in small font) then I'll lay it out for you:
John McTiernan advocated the royal commission based on the fact that if he makes Catholicism look bad, then enough stupid people will think lots of Catholics are inherently bad. Why would he do this? Well, his boss the former PM Gillard, was going into an election against a practicing Catholic who was once going to be a priest no less. Coincidence?
Sorry, but the whole thing was politicized from the beginning.
I'm not defending Catholic priests, but the off the cuff remarks of a smear campaign started by a political animal fighting for survival by defamation of a large group of people has really gone on too long.
By all means expose the predators and lock them up, but don't fall for a political campaign started by a hack trying every dirty trick in the book to smear the opponent.

you seem to seriously suggest that there shouldn't have been this Royal Commission ?
would you have preferred a RC into relatives abusing children?

the RC has been swamped with witnesses meaning it may have to run for several years to hear all witnesses and get all information, hardly the almost zero problem you seem to imply

we're talking about an institution that often systematically protected pedophiles and ignored repeated complaints about certain priests and thereby let the abuse continue.
Yes children are most likely to be abused by someone the family knows, but that person has all too often been a family priest. And how many to date have been caught and convicted? Far too few, hence your low % claim which is very flawed as it's based on convictions not crimes that took place but may not have been reported or similar
To make the claim that this RC was set up to damage a political opponent is very, very far fetched.
It in no way 'damages all Catholics' but may help prevent child abuse by priests in the future and perhaps even make the organisation compensate the large number of victims.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

One of my high school teachers formed a relationship and got married to an ex student after she finished school.

I thought that was a bit suspect but its all above board, the person is out of school.

no that's not ethical and certainly not above board and the possibility of grooming while in a position of trust would be considered by police

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by xxx000

no that's not ethical and certainly not above board and the possibility of grooming while in a position of trust would be considered by police

Not always, my cousin married her teacher 45 years ago, they have five great grown up kids and adore each other as much now as then, cops are no where near qualified to make that decision, cops just do as there told, there not paid to decide what's wrong or right, they just enforce the law at the time.....

[xxx000]

Police don't have a crystal ball they have to be notified and would then consider laying charges

it's then up to a court to decide but these days grooming would be considered as a charge including in the situation you describe

Rolf will likely die in gaol and that's where he deserves to be

[zilo]

A bit of a lynch mob thread this one.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Police don't have a crystal ball they have to be notified and would then consider laying charges

it's then up to a court to decide but these days grooming would be considered as a charge including in the situation you describe

Rolf will likely die in gaol and that's where he deserves to be

Point 1. I agree they don't have a crystal ball, but I was referring to your reply to Big Damo, my Cousin was also of age and out of School when she married her former teacher...........

Point 2. Grooming? as in the case that Big Damo referred to, which is basically the same as my Cousin's...... She was classed as adult at the time (and would be today) so acted of her own free will, if anyone would have inferred Grooming they would have been laughed out of court, she is neither dumb or naïve, she is a recently retired children's surgeon.....way smarter than hubby...

As I said, Not Always....

Point 3. no contest, I agree...

[XR6Runner]

Sorry for my ignorance, I was born in 1988. So back in the 60's and 70's, it was ok for a female to get slapped or pinched in the *** and that was ok back then?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by XR6Runner

Sorry for my ignorance, I was born in 1988. So back in the 60's and 70's, it was ok for a female to get slapped or pinched in the *** and that was ok back then?

Have a look at some of the old movies or tv shows from the era, women where portrayed to love it......Monkey see, monkey do....

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Point 1. I agree they don't have a crystal ball, but I was referring to your reply to Big Damo, my Cousin was also of age and out of School when she married her former teacher...........

Point 2. Grooming? as in the case that Big Damo referred to, which is basically the same as my Cousin's...... She was classed as adult at the time (and would be today) so acted of her own free will, if anyone would have inferred Grooming they would have been laughed out of court, she is neither dumb or naïve, she is a recently retired children's surgeon.....way smarter than hubby...

As I said, Not Always....

Point 3. no contest, I agree...

Glad she was of age when married but grooming when she was a student and the teacher was in a position of trust and influence is of course something a court would look at.
It's potentially a breach of that trust by the teacher regardless of them marrying as adults.

you do understand the concept I'm referring to?

Google the term grooming

[BA GT-HO]

[xxx000]

Seems 'Rolfie needs a hug' was his catchphrase

like many such predators he appears to believe he's innocent

[Maka]

Yep thats the vibe BA- GTHO when he gets there, but he'll be protected from the inmates more than likely. His form is the ultimate in arrogance, would've love to see his face if a woman slapped him a beauty after being groped!

cheers, Maka

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by xxx000

you do understand the concept I'm referring to?

I didn't come down in the last shower.....

[cheap]

After being found guilty why wasn't Rolf remanded in custody awaiting sentancing? Instead he's been out enjoying his last few days in "freedom"

Seems the UK justice system is as sick as ours.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by cheap

After being found guilty why wasn't Rolf remanded in custody awaiting sentancing? Instead he's been out enjoying his last few days in "freedom"

Seems the UK justice system is as sick as ours.

Two speed justice system maybe cheap

cheers, Maka

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

image

Its way too early in the morning to be seeing that, lol.

Originally Posted by xxx000

no that's not ethical and certainly not above board and the possibility of grooming while in a position of trust would be considered by police

There was a bit of an age difference between them, 10 years+

Its funny because he come to the school as a young PE teacher, and he was there all the way through 7- 12 when I was there, and I saw the change from fit PE teacher.

Then he got married and had a child.

Then he started getting fat and losing his hair

He used to be so agro all the time too when I was in year 12 and his newborn child wasnt sleeping, he'd fly off the handle about the slightest things because he wouldn't get any sleep, and then it pretty much became a sport to make this guy rage over the slightest things.

[ebxr8240]

NZ MP has come forward saying she was interviewing Rolf when working in media years ago..
He put his hands between her legs.. She stopped him then and called him a creep ..

[Rangas GTP]

Originally Posted by Thornie

Im guessing this song was his rolfs favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9TVvkpHWxg

His rendition of I Touch Myself is just plane weird

http://omnyapp.com/shows/triple-m-th...i-touch-myself

[ford71V8]

Oh that sounds way creepy ha

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by Rangas GTP

His rendition of I Touch Myself is just plane weird

http://omnyapp.com/shows/triple-m-th...i-touch-myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rlYSJQkyw

This is the full song here and it's just plain disgusting. He's imitating masturbation sounds and uses innuendos like "come". Even forgetting what he's been convicted of, he was supposed to be a children's entertainer. Hearing him being involved in that clip sounds so wrong.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by zilo

A child can be someone who is 17 years 354 days old.

(That's 18 -1 day old)

just saying.....that's all.

For a start there are 365 days in a year (366 on a leap year), second the age of consent is 16 and not 18.