|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
05-04-2005, 07:26 PM | #61 | ||
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: South East Melbourne
Posts: 6,156
|
You mean the government threatened the big 3.
|
||
05-04-2005, 07:26 PM | #62 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
Trucks prior to ADR changes that forced truck manufacturers to speed limit trucks to 100 were also expected to retro-fit speed limiters, where there is a will, there is a way. AND YES there are truck doing more that 100, I know that so don't tell me again, but how many die due to speed related incidents?
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
|||
05-04-2005, 07:27 PM | #63 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
I change my post to suit your post Mr. Pyscho.
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
Last edited by Trevor 57; 05-04-2005 at 07:29 PM. |
|||
05-04-2005, 07:39 PM | #64 | ||
X-Series Club Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,020
|
We are talking about an absoloutly massive, australia wide law change, not even compareable to one class of vehicle being limited.
It could not be done in one state alone for the simple reason that the car manufacturers worldwide would not put themselves in a situation where they had to spend millions of dollars on development just for one state. As if a multi national company like BMW or Mercedes really cares if one tiny state in australia (or even the country for that matter... we are small bickies to them) wanted to pull a ridiculos move like that. So now your costing jobs from importing, no doubt costing jobs locally from building cars (wiping out FPV and HSV), reducing interest in automobile manufacturing in australia, cost an unwilling public billions of dollars in having to fit speed limiting devices to cars they didn't drive that fast anyway.... while they watch idiots disable the limiters and kill themselves anyway. It would be political suicide and would make whoever made such a call a laughing stock worldwide. I feel quite comfortable saying NEVER. |
||
05-04-2005, 07:41 PM | #65 | |||
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: South East Melbourne
Posts: 6,156
|
Quote:
If what you propose goes ahead the car companies will lose money, bit of a difference in the situations. I'd probably lose my job if such a law came into effect. |
|||
05-04-2005, 07:46 PM | #66 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
BTW, ALL cars coming into Australia now have to comply with our ADR, that is why they have compliance plates to our ADR's. Do youself a favour and go and have look at an imported cars compliance plate and list off all the ADR's they have to comply with NOW!
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
Last edited by Trevor 57; 05-04-2005 at 07:48 PM. |
|||
05-04-2005, 08:02 PM | #67 | ||
X-Series Club Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,020
|
Yes I do have an older car, quite a few actually. In a discussion like this all factors must be taken into account. ECU mods are easy, but wouldn't it look a little stupid to have a 320kmh speedo in a Ferrari thats limited to 120kmh? And who would buy one for that matter? Worlds fastest car that is forcably limited to 1/3 its maximum speed! Sounds fun doesn't it?
All new cars are limited only by the manufacturer, not the ADR's. Thats why even in the ford range there are massive differences in the limits. I'm fully aware of the ADR's imported cars must comply with, but you'd have to ask yourself how much effort are they going to go to for us considering our comparitively small population. Start throwing in similarly stupid rules where the speedo must show 0-120kmh like the (thankfully) failed 130kmh limit victoria thought about and there is even more dis-incentive to continue selling cars here. I hope and pray it never happens. |
||
05-04-2005, 08:04 PM | #68 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
If people drove sensibly then there would be no need, but I am yet to have one valid reason to not have cars limited, other than **** factor. (that comment is not aimed at anyone)
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
||
05-04-2005, 08:07 PM | #69 | |||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
|||||
05-04-2005, 08:14 PM | #70 | |||
X-Series Club Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2,020
|
Quote:
|
|||
05-04-2005, 08:44 PM | #71 | |||
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
2. People who live in the NT. 3. Your overtaking a long truck as your half way past it you see a car approaching, you cannot slow down and pull behind it again because other cars are there now what do you do? |
|||
05-04-2005, 09:03 PM | #72 | |||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
|||||
05-04-2005, 09:11 PM | #73 | |||
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Quote:
|
|||
05-04-2005, 09:19 PM | #74 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
So why have the limit higher than 120??????
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
||
05-04-2005, 10:11 PM | #75 | ||
The Guy You Love To Hate
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vic
Posts: 1,203
|
Hmmm going a bit off topic here, but ok.
Facts for facts, Chronicle (and steve Bracks with his 130kmh idea) can make a decent argument. Since we cant go over 110 there is no practical use for having the ability to do 200. But does that mean we shouldnt be able to? This goes back to the "why do we need V8s?" argument. Why would anyone from Victoria: The Home Of The Speed Camera need to reach 100kmh in under 6 seconds only to slam on the brakes to avoid a fine? Why the **** do we need a reason for it? I enjoy the power, the sound and the feeling of owning/driving a fast car. As well as the freedom to enjoy all these things. Isnt that all we need? No other government in the world has decied to take the extreme step of drastic speed liimtation. Can anyone really tell me that Bracks and his friends are that much smarter than everyone else around the world? Lol, i didnt think so... Last edited by T_Terror; 05-04-2005 at 10:14 PM. |
||
05-04-2005, 10:18 PM | #76 | |||
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Livin On The Edge
Posts: 7,354
|
Quote:
My first car was an EF xr8 and my parents let me drive it, iv'e always been able to drive a manual no problems there. The old man took me out every arvo for the 4 weeks before i flew to sa and taught me how to drive, not just keep the car on the road stuff but EVERYTHING i really needed to learn. Like what happens if i gave it to much in a round about or on a wet road. Being a fussy old bastard like he is he wouldn't have helped me obtain my licence the way i did. Doing it the way i did helped me learn the limits of my driving ability and the cars limit's. Anyone can pass a P's test and abide by the law with an instructor in the car. Same thing goes with performance cars, anyone can drive one whilst abiding by the road rules. It's when people push them things start to occur, regaurdless of car/make/model. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Same rule applies with high performance cars. |
|||
05-04-2005, 10:21 PM | #77 | ||
The Guy You Love To Hate
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Vic
Posts: 1,203
|
Haha, its funny that this thread turned to the topic of speed limitation.
Here is a wonderful example of the majority suffering because of the actions of the few (and the inability of the government to implement a proper solution). us poor P-platers are spat on, ridiculed (ok, ok maybe we dont get it that bad) and have ridiculous restricitons aplced on us all becasue of the "fully sik" crowd and other "heroes" who give us a bad name. And here we have ALL drivers being restricted in their travel abilities because of high speed accidents which arent even the most common accident (most would happen in between the 60-100) and are arguably impossible to completely eliminate anyway. |
||
06-04-2005, 07:22 AM | #78 | |||
Regular Schmuck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,640
|
Quote:
Being in Sydney, speed cameras can be very forgiving requiring you to go past them at over 10kph over the limit before they'll take a happy snap, but I sympathise with those in Melbourne who can lose a licence by travelling through certain tunnels with an ADR compliant speedo that reads 10% slower than you're actually travelling. |
|||
06-04-2005, 09:45 AM | #79 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Patch
Posts: 1,011
|
Let's not forget that it has ben proven in the US that lower speed limits cause more accidents ;) It is a plain simple fact of the statistics gathered over years in the US. This is reflected in the bugger all change and even higher road tolls seen after all these speed cameras and bullshit 40 zones etc. It doesn't save lives so wtf are they doing it for?
Getting booked for 103 in 100 zone is rediculous.
__________________
Quote:
|
|||
06-04-2005, 10:46 AM | #80 | |||
Keeping Wombats Dead
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 145
|
Quote:
What do you mean by the cop will be able to give him another ticket, for what? Yeah I should be giving him a belting of his life but I'm not gonna care about it. I didn't get done so I'm happy. I usually do give him a hiding for having a Commondore.
__________________
|
|||
06-04-2005, 10:50 AM | #81 | ||
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 689
|
The sad thing is that althogh the law concentrates on hi-po cars and P-platers, I've seen P-platers in Hyundais not wearing a seatbelt and drinking grog as they are driving.
It's an attitude problem they have... a bit like an ego thing... and the government must be partly responsible (just as a parent would also be) for failing to at least implement the infrastructure to educate newbie drivers on the essential lessons of road safety.
__________________
Rep Power: 0 |
||
06-04-2005, 10:54 AM | #82 | |||
Keeping Wombats Dead
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 145
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|||
06-04-2005, 11:19 AM | #83 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 691
|
Quote:
This happened to myself on a trip home during midsemester uni break. I was following a road train doing about 95. I alway sit far back so I don't copy any stones, the truck driver can see me, and I don't have to stray into the oncomming lane to see what's up ahead to overtake. Now the day was hot. There was alot of heat haze comming off the road. I checked there was no cars comming, then accelerated in the slipstream to about 120 in 4th before I started to overtake. I got up to just the 3/4 mark on the first trailer (one behind the truck), when out of the heat haze appeared a white commy sedan, about 400m away, and as you would know, with approach speeds of a combined 220kmh, its not long before he is on you, actually I just calculated 6.5s. I made the decision I was too far up allready to drop down and pull back in, plus there was a car following me before I overtook, so I nailed it. By the time I had pulled back in, I was at ~150, missing the car by not much (about 2.5s), my undies would have smelled pretty bad. Now if my car was speed limited to 120, and that commy driver was having a look over the adjoing property, lost concentration changing cds, or didn't see me in the sun, for just a second, I'd be pushing up daisies, as well as him, and possibly the truckie. Look what happened when they tried to speed limit trucks. My **** they all do at max 100. If some young guy wants to fly around in his fully sik mobile, I'm sure he'll find a way to get around the limiter, and then he'll brag about how fully sik his car is, because he's a rebel disobeying the law. These are the exact same idiots who try to get up to those rediculous speeds anyway, so I doubt it would change anything.
__________________
93 ED Futura, I6, KKK500r Turbo, Dev 5 head, custom Surecam, TKO500, Lokka. 250rwkw@4000rpm, 9psi, and lots of boost taper. Comming soon: T04Z, plenum, TrueTrac. Last edited by donno; 06-04-2005 at 11:33 AM. |
|||
06-04-2005, 11:20 AM | #84 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 691
|
Quote:
__________________
93 ED Futura, I6, KKK500r Turbo, Dev 5 head, custom Surecam, TKO500, Lokka. 250rwkw@4000rpm, 9psi, and lots of boost taper. Comming soon: T04Z, plenum, TrueTrac. |
|||
06-04-2005, 11:39 AM | #85 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
Now to test your merit, in Japan (I think or another Asian country, and some European Countries) to get a drivers licence is pretty much a 2 year full time course, and in some countries they put you in front of a firing squad for your first (and only) drink driving offence. Nothing is for free, I am of the Dick Johnson ilk, "don't ban high performance cars, ban low performance drivers", and unfortunately we pump out under performing drivers by the thousands. People go on about the speed you can drive on the European Autobahns, but what they don't tell is how many are killed on them, and how long it takes, and how many hoops you have to go through to get the "privilege" of driving a motorcar over there. In Australia, what you pay for is what you get, we pay nothing and we get nothing. Are you prepared to give up 2 years so that you can do full time study so that you can drive????NO, then shut up and put with what the Government pushes out.
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
Last edited by Trevor 57; 06-04-2005 at 12:06 PM. |
|||
06-04-2005, 11:48 AM | #86 | ||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
Quote:
Secondly most cars have a 5-10% error built into their speedo, this is the maximum requirement under ADR's. And most speedo read lower than the actual limit. So lets look at an example of a car with a 10% error. At 100k's on their speedo, they are "really" doing 91k's, by the radar - True?? So for the radar to pick them up at 104, then they would have to be doing about 114 by the cars speedo - True??? My Fairmont Ghia has about a 4% error, so I set my speed by the trip meter, so when I am doing about 104 by the speedo, I am "really" doing 100k's, so for me to get booked at 104, then I would have to be doing 109 by the speedo, then I deserve to get booked. If I was a general lay-person, then I wouldn't know that my cars speedo was inaccurate so as far I am concerned I am doing 109.
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
||||
06-04-2005, 11:52 AM | #87 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
Quote:
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
|||
06-04-2005, 11:55 AM | #88 | ||
Long Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Canberra, ACT
Posts: 293
|
I'm 19 and on green P's and I've gone from a 6cyl XD, 6xyl VS and now the XR6T. Luckily insurance doesn't come into play because it's a leased gov vehicle (only $900 a year) but I think the gradual jump in performance has been good. Instead of going from an N12 Pulsar to a XR6T, I've learnt rear wheel drive cars decently (not going to say I'm 100% confident I can outdrive anyone on the planet, because I know I'm not), but I drive according to the conditions and my skill level. I know I don't have the experience to be the next Michael Schumacher, so I don't drive like him. However, the drivers of the car's wrapped around the trees are a different story.
__________________
2008 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon - 2 door 6-spd manual, 3.8L petrol, dual top group, Infinity sound system |
||
06-04-2005, 11:57 AM | #89 | ||
Adapt or perish...
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dip!@#$
Posts: 7,954
|
Love how the Vico government has you guys paranoid about speed limits. Watching your speedo cause it's looks like you're going over the speed limit is gonna get you killed more often than not BECAUSE YOUR EYES AREN'T WATCHING THE ROAD.
Stuff the governments, you know your own limits, abide by them.
__________________
Carless
|
||
06-04-2005, 12:00 PM | #90 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,751
|
I think they should ban the use of seatbelts, in some States of America you don't have to wear them as it is a "restriction of your civil libities".
Australia was the first country to enforce the compulsory wearing of seatblets, and people complained about that then, I now hear NO-ONE complain about now, except for NSW taxi drivers and some truck drivers. Now everyone complains about speed limits, power to weigh ratio's. Get over it, the minority of ****er destroy it for everyone, it has always been that way and it all ways will. And while I am on my high horse, what about 0.05% BAC, why do people who have had their licences be allowed to drive drunk, when P & L Platers, Truck & Bus drivers are not allowed to. Studies show that you are in fact youi are affected by alochol at 0.05%, well, you must be or everyone would be allowed to drive at that level. So what the Governments is doing is laying down for the drunks in our society, and letting some drive drunk, but not others. 0.00% for everyone, I say!!
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears
|
||