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A little like their support of manual gearbox buyers No options whatsoever unless you want a zillion dollar Mustang or a van Ford Ute purveyor of Thailand Specials |
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It’s automatic, like it or lump it, sign or don’t sign,….. And the reason they can do that is because there’s a line a mile behind you ready to take your place……welcome to the new customer experience. |
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Maverick would cannibalise Hilux 4x2 Sales if it was sold in Australia for the right price, way more than it would effect Ranger Sales.
Imagine the markets for these vehicles across Asian markets. All Ford has done in not releasing world wide, is give the other car companies time to develop a competitor. Absolute Sheer Lunacy. Bronco Sport would be a good replacement for Escape. Plenty of market share to go for. Bronco would sell here also. They should not compare its business case to the sales rate of the stupid over priced Wrangler. Who sees a non modified off road vehicle driving around. This vehicle is built for it. Ford Management USA need a kick up the pants. If they are not willing to make these in North America then expand their factory in Thailand. To get this straight, Ford Australian Engineers deigned a Ranger for Australia, Asia, Europe, China, Africa, Ect with each area requiring different sets ups, engines, gearboxes, suspension. Then they had to liaise with all of the different manufacturing plants in the different countries to help get them down the line. Then they had to work with VW and their requirements and once again help with the factories to get them down the line ect ect. Ford USA Engineers design a Maverick for North America only and that is it. Something does not add up.
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Suddenly the media is focusing on FBT exemptions on Thailand Specials, the government is talking about mandating fuel efficiency standards and looking into emissions. Are we about to see a shift in the market? There's a lot of people who have no interest in cars suddenly interested and talking about all these tax and financial benefits that the top three selling vehicles seem to attract, and the blindness of the ATO towards the abuse of them. I wonder if government intervention in the new car market is on Ford Australia's risk register, at the moment it works in their favor, its not a problem for Toyota because of their market coverage. If the federal government and the prime minister for inner western Sydney suddenly intervenes forcing a market shift, its a serious problem for Ford Ute ![]() Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 05-01-2024 at 10:28 PM. |
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The Bronco is about to be sold in the Philippines. Left hand drive markets are easy to sell into.
https://www.carguide.ph/2024/01/ford...bronco-is.html
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It all goes back to when the ATO basically gave up on log book records because of the surveillance costs, it’s much cheaper for the ATO to accept a statutory declaration for vehicle operators than to comb through literally millions of manual log books every tax season. Until there’s some form of enforced electronic gps vehicle monitoring, the system is not going to change. The UK stopped all of this by making dual cab commercials subject to FBT, only single cab and super cab qualify. Quote:
My comments were both sarcastic and specifically aimed at the complaint of no manual trans Rangers. Ford don’t care about the manual sales they are missing out on, just the 9,800 odd automatics they sold last month. Last edited by jpd80; 06-01-2024 at 09:24 AM. |
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They won't start logbooks, they'll just remove the tax advantages on Thailand Specials. All it takes is a stroke of a pen and the party ends and that pen is getting closer and closer to being picked up, just like bringing forward the review of the Australian Standards on fuel quality and investigating the introduction of mandatory fuel efficiency standards. kevino wasn't talking about manual Rangers, he's been a constant customer of Ford for their manual small Euro hatchbacks over the years, then they stopped offering manual euro hatchbacks, so he went to Skoda, then he's come back under the Ford brand with a DSG Puma with gritted teeth ![]() Same as my family, went to Hyundai as Ford no longer offers new cars that my family buys. Losing a lot of little sales here and there, thats how you end up being a car company that sells two vehicles, of which the biggest seller the customers are being incentivised by tax advantages, which can disappear tomorrow and greatly shift the dynamics of the new car market. If the government is going to intervene in the market with incentives to promote customers to buy a particular product over the others, then you can't have this discussion without involving parliament house, Ford Australia, its Ranger sales and Canberra are joined at the hip. Yes, its going to effect Toyota and their Hilux sales, but look at Toyota's total sales - not a two horse race like Ford Australia is, they have significantly more sales because they offer 20+ options to our market. Back in the says of the EF Falcon when Ford Australia were last in number 1, what was the model breakdown of their sales, how many different vehicles did they offer to the market? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 06-01-2024 at 12:22 PM. |
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Considering how big the aftermarket is around the dual cab market, the Government would wise to consider the impact any tax change wound have.
It employs many thousands of people and contributes probably billions to the economy. And you've also got the caravan market ontop of that. You force everyone to drive RAV4 hybrids or Teslas you can kiss all that goodbye.
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It wasn't long ago the Government tried to ban suspension mods on 4wds, they quickly changed their minds once they realised how many jobs it would effect.
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Most cars havent been modded legally. Huge diameter wheels, lift kits, hub spacers, all of which require an engineer's certificate. The police have periodic blitzes in places like Dargo and Walhalla.
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The incentives that make them very attractive to customers, will just disappear. The other side of your argument, the government doesn't overly care about, we just banned native forest logging in Victoria and they let the manufacturing industry go in 2013 or there about when they signed its death warrant. |
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you can’t remove the tax provision for work related travel and transport of “tools”.<—-LOL, so true If you make the dual cab Utes non-FBT vehicles, they still are fleet vehicles so it’s back to the 1990s and 12 weeks of log books to establish business usage and the tax department wading though literally hundreds and thousands of records trying to find anomalies that are never gonna show… Everyone has done this dance before, it achieves nothing and just gums up the tax department with more compliance checkers and costs that probably won’t be recouped… As I said previously, electronic vehicle monitoring will stop much of this. Last edited by jpd80; 06-01-2024 at 03:02 PM. |
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they could geofence the person’s home suburb to permit a small amount of incidental travelling outside of normal work hours, anything else should need to be justified as either out of hours work/travel or non-business use. Technology is the answer, those cheating the system will give up when electric travel records are required and they can’t cook the books. |
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Before that expands across the board to private vehicle and taxes you certain amounts for geofenced areas. Think ULEZ, limits on daily/weekly kms etc. We are in a climate emergency don’t you know. |
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There's a lot more to the dualcab aftermarket than just suspension
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