Police Chase In America:

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Was the guy in the car armed in any way??

Yes.
It is called a motor vehicle.
A STOLEN one at that.
He used that weapon at high speed unlawfully,
with reckless disregard for other people,
then tried to kill or injure a police officer with it.

Originally Posted by GTP006

After reading the above I have to wonder if the cop on the bonnet was watching a guy picking up a gun in the car?? Who knows (certainly not me).....

There was a passenger in the car aside from the driver.
Now wtch e video again if you must,
but observe the position of the the cops at the scene.
The only "safe" angle he had to put an end to the situation
was to climb on the bonnet and aim at the driver,
who was THE ONY person responsible for the entire scenario.
Any other position the "bonnet cop" could have taken
would have endangered the passenger or the other officers from possible crossfire.
That is why cops are TRAINED.
To make a snap(and correct) decision in mere milliseconds.
The cop ought to get a medal.
So sad cops are underpaid.

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Until its one of your family...

My family is not comprised of criminals or drug addicts.
As I said before, you STILL don't see Americans dissing Aussies do you?
Edit:
Sorry for the misspellings on the above post.
This laptop blows chunks.

[XCSEDAN]

i think they went a bit over the top, definatly should have blocked him in. (but maybe that wasnt an option?)
also emptying the entire clip was pretty exsesive(yes i know i can't spell).....
i can understand why the cop did it, even though he did put himself in danger, he would have been crapping his pants when the car started moving, and the driver cant have been in safe thoughts,
problem is, however, what if he jumped on the anchors and stopped? would he still have copped 7 shots? or would have he been detained without harm?

was there enough cars there to block the driver in? if so thats what should have been done, either that or pinned the car against something.

i hope australia doesnt become like this....

not been smart here or giving any lip, but does anyone know why the aussie criminal stats are lower then the US? (i mean by % not by number because thats pretty obvious)

[birdman941]

Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

i think they went a bit over the top, definatly should have blocked him in. (but maybe that wasnt an option?)
also emptying the entire clip was pretty exsesive(yes i know i can't spell).....
i can understand why the cop did it, even though he did put himself in danger, he would have been crapping his pants when the car started moving, and the driver cant have been in safe thoughts,
problem is, however, what if he jumped on the anchors and stopped? would he still have copped 7 shots? or would have he been detained without harm?

was there enough cars there to block the driver in? if so thats what should have been done, either that or pinned the car against something.

i hope australia doesnt become like this....

not been smart here or giving any lip, but does anyone know why the aussie criminal stats are lower then the US? (i mean by % not by number because thats pretty obvious)

Too many liberals here and their lawyers inventing "syndromes"
so these losers think they can get away with it, and then sue the cop.
It would have been a huge uproar here if the driver was " a minority".

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by banarcus

I'm sure you would have an itchy finger if you faced some of the bad guys over there that carry firearms everyday and wouldn't think twice about using it. At the end of the day, it's their job(police) and they have families too to go home to.

totally agree if i was in america i would use their rights to bare arms to protect myself,and i understand they have a job to do,and i dont argue that they needed to shoot the guy,i just said they didnt need to empty a gun to do so,thing is even 1 shot can kill someone especially point blank,i just think after all that chasing and ramming they could of ended it without a death,but its america these incidences happen daily if not hourly,as do police officers being shot to death,so its 50/50(as i said before).

[Scott]

Saw a stat yesterday (on Fox so it must be true) that a Police Officer is killed every ~54 hours. Not sure if that was global or just the US but either way, it's too many to argue semantics about the would've/could've/should've.

Interesting link from the FBI on Police Deaths in the US 2005:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2005/f...uslykilled.htm

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by birdman941

Yes.
It is called a motor vehicle.
A STOLEN one at that. not at the time it wasnt known to police
He used that weapon at high speed unlawfully, not exactly a reason to use excessive force
with reckless disregard for other people,the few cars that were on the road you mean?
then tried to kill or injure a police officer with it.thats what you's call it in america,over here its assault over there its attemtped murder,the cop jumped on the car,they guy was thinking about getting out of there,not about killing a cop,how can you think 4 seconds is enough time to make a correct judgement call?


There was a passenger in the car aside from the driver.
Now watch e video again if you must,
but observe the position of the the cops at the scene.
The only "safe" angle he had to put an end to the situation
was to climb on the bonnet and aim at the driver,he jumped from the patrol car left hand side menaing he would of had to go along side the offenders car and jump onto the offenders car? why not pull the gun on the offender at his drivers side window?
who was THE ONY person responsible for the entire scenario.
Any other position the "bonnet cop" could have taken
would have endangered the passenger or the other officers from possible crossfire.
That is why cops are TRAINED.
To make a snap(and correct) decision in mere milliseconds.only trained person who can act on Milliseconds is a sniper im yet to see a cop do so(maybe in 2-4 secnds yeah)
The cop ought to get a medal.so says you
So sad cops are underpaid.if they joined for the money they are in the wrong job mate

as for lawyers and syndromes
i think its a opinion obviously not shared with a american and the majority rules and thus far its more towads excessive force then towards anything else,not just on FFAU but many websites i frequent.

you have your opinion,I/we have ours that aint biased or disrespectful its a opinion,live with it.

[banarcus]

Originally Posted by GTP006

Interesting link from the FBI on Police Deaths in the US 2005:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2005/f...uslykilled.htm

An interesting stat about the grubs that murder cops in the US:

"Of the 57 men arrested and accused of the murders of a law enforcement officer, 54 had previous criminal arrests. "

[Polyal]

OMG I cant believe some of the hippy crap I have just read. Unless you live over there, you dont understand. You cannot possibly compare our system to theirs. An aussie cop would probably crap their pants at half the stuff that happens there (no offence to Aussie cops, they do a good job).

People make choices, and they damn well know the consequences, why do we need to cotton ball people?

Seriously embarrassing hearing the anti-American comments, what tripe.

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by Polyal

OMG I cant believe some of the hippy crap I have just read. Unless you live over there, you dont understand.
Seriously embarrassing hearing the anti-American comments, what tripe.

echo echo echo...

tripe,anti american comments,hippy crap,its a opinion,i have mates n family in america,i also am apart of dozens of U.S.A based forums,i also have mates in the corrections n police force,i could say your also full of it,but your allowed a opinion,but dont preach your tripe as gospel,last i heard everyone is allowed a opinion.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by HOON69

echo echo echo...

tripe,anti american comments,hippy crap,its a opinion,i have mates n family in america,i also am apart of dozens of U.S.A based forums,i also have mates in the corrections n police force,i could say your also full of it,but your allowed a opinion,but dont preach your tripe as gospel,last i heard everyone is allowed a opinion.

Video isn't working for me but from what I have read I get the story. Why do you/we care about this person? Do you know their history?

And I didn't quote you, so it seems you know that your posts are borderline.

As I said, and which you conveniently didn't quote, he made his choice, no one forced him to do what he did. And again, WGAF really.

Interesting sig you have there by the way aswell.

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by HOON69

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZydmenX5MA
33 seconds into the video shots fired who said he wasnt already wounded
then 10 seconds later you see a cop on his bonnet opening up more bullets

its 50/50 imho
but after situations like this i guess you need to be cautious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8olEn237h8


FULL VERSION:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tTkvNrCN8

minute 5.14 he gets out of car
minute 5.18 he shoots at suspect
about 5.23 you hear "dont move"

i dont really care about criminals
i dont really favour police tactics either

in america almost 40% of chases end in a crash some of those fatal
now you add up what this guy was wanted for
a simple traffic offense
then as it got into a chase it turned into a stolen car chase
then after he was dead he was found to be a drug addict etc known well to police.

didnt once say the cop didnt deserve to protect himself i said FORCE WAS EXCESSIVE,they get trained to take offenders down in so many ways yet they always seem to come down to "shots fired".
and as im the only one really get flamed by a american member on here,hence why it was qouted to your qoute.

and yeah i've had that line for a while btw ;)

[Boss 5.4]

Cant see anything wrong with it myself. Put yourself in the shoes of the police officers instead. Just glad it was the P.O.S. who died and not a family who happened to just get cleaned up by this Law abiding, didn't do anything wrong, was just running because I was innocent and scared and the police shouldnt of hurt me scum.

I have seen many police videos of US cops, one guy pulled over to be given a warning, as the cop said "how are you budd..."he gets shot point blank in the head. Not too many offenders in US without handguns boys,

hats off to the Police here and Abroad for dealing with these people. Cops life over a crim any day. As everyone else is so desperatley saying, it just my opinion!

Just dont whinge if a member of your family gets killed by some mainiac and claim the cops didn't do enough to stop them, when they do it often ends a cops career, if it doesn't they are questioned and scrutenised as the guilty party. Why do the crims seem to have more rights than the victims? Thats why society will continue to decline and become unsafer for us and our kids in the future, people have no fear of police, if they get caught, they will be out doing it again next week again anyway.

SAD

Cheers

[fmc351]

I seriously cant believe anyone here or anywhere for that matter thinks the public should be put in danger by letting some crackpot get away for now.
They will not slow down, they might, most bloody wont and you know it. Nah, stop or die before the innocent public does. Im all for it, even if it was my brother, I would not be happy he was dead, it would devastate me, but I would understand he was an idiot who put others in danger, he may as well have waved a gun in public. I dont expect the mother of an innocent bystander to pay the ultimate price, so I dont have too. Someone is going to suffer, it may as well be the person taking the risk.

I have to wonder about the mentality of people who believe imbeciles deserve a second and third chance at the expense of the innocent who arent given a first chance. It shouldnt effect you negatively, or does it?

You dont have to be aware the vehicle is stolen. The flight of the individual is enough. The flight is a crime in itself (its a felony, not a misdemeanor), and endangers innocent people for every second it continues (which is why its a felony, not misdemeanor). However, think about it, why are they fleeing, youre right the cops dont know why. They must assume, but you would have them base that assumption on what, best case scenario? The public right to safety must take precedence over the rights of a fool who has no regard for yours or anyone elses safety. Its common bloody sense. Youre giving crims more rights than the general public. The crim had the same rights as the general public, once he acts outside the law, he forfeits those rights, you dont grant him second and third chances.

Originally Posted by jaydee

I just watched that clip, the cop did everything right, in the end he's had enough and walks up and just sprays them with his OC, but then he turns his back on them and walks away. Thats when he gets drilled and apparently killed. A little bit of apathy unfortunately, he should have been watching them more closely, the driver was obviously trying to evade him.
This is why US cops pull their guns first, or should anyway.

My take is he saw the gun, or potential for it, and wasnt able to react like he wasnt sure, wanted to apprehend, but self preservation kicked in on instinct maybe, a moment of procrastination that cost him his life, its not an everyday situation, although in the US far more likely than here.

Was good to read a passerby saw it, and killed the shooter anyway, still doesnt help the poor ba5tard who was just doing his job, or his family. A tragedy.

Originally Posted by HOON69

in america almost 40% of chases end in a crash some of those fatal
now you add up what this guy was wanted for
a simple traffic offense
then as it got into a chase it turned into a stolen car chase
then after he was dead he was found to be a drug addict etc known well to police.

So what you want to do is, make the car like calling "barleys" in tiggy? "Nah uh, Im barleys."

Every crim will be well aware of that policy, they will just jump in a car when the cops get close. You would create a field day for crims, making the police job impossible. Yeah I get your point, thats why I favour a magnetic type pulse to disable vehicles with ECU's in pursuits. Still, doesnt help when the crims are smart enough to run a carb. Dont underestimate the amount of understanding of the policies police use that crims make themselves aware of.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by HOON69

love your work,since when is having a opinion a cop bashing fest,but i guess were just arm chair experts aint we?
and dont preach to me that i dont know what they go through,i talk to enough police and correctional officers to know exactly what they go through on a daily basis,i didnt say that the shoot to protect wasnt justified,but killing the bloke well most agree it was excessive.

protect yourself YES
kill because you decided to jump on a car that wasnt stopped properly NO
after many threads on the subject most agree the force used, wasnt needed.

didnt think the internet required me or anyone else to share your point of views yet,your ready and able to tell us we dont know F all about anything,intelligent post mate,im off to do some arm chair research
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Talk to people?, you have to experience it, then you may be on a level playing field, until then, you are just a couch potato.

Hey hoon, do you own a car??? If you did you might not be so upset about there being one less car thief in the world.
Grow up and put yourself in the cops position, I wouldn't fire 2 shots and then wait to see if he was going to shoot back at me or run me over. The crook knew that he would be shot at by police because he lives in America and is a crook. He had control of the situation at all times and could have just stopped and put his hands up. I wonder why he didn't??

[BA_Turbs]

Originally Posted by HOON69

and dont preach to me that i dont know what they go through,i talk to enough police and correctional officers to know exactly what they go through on a daily basis

You've proven repeatedly in this thread you don't know what your talking about. There is no such thing as 'shoot to kill' and 'shoot to harm' and some of your comments are offensive to people who are police or have them in their family.

But hey, what would Redrum, who is a policeman, know about police work?

Back to your chair and sort out your response eh?

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Talk to people?, you have to experience it, then you may be on a level playing field, until then, you are just a couch potato.

that i am,but just cause you know a thing or two dont mean you can have this shoot to kill mentallity everytime you look at a criminal does it?

dont like my opinion tough,im entitled to it whether i offend anyone or not,i said it was excessive you'll acting like i said the cop should be on death row or something,grow the hell up and realise this place is bigger then you and is full of ppl who dont share every point of view you do.

Originally Posted by my74xb

Hey hoon, do you own a car??? If you did you might not be so upset about there being one less car thief in the world.
Grow up and put yourself in the cops position, I wouldn't fire 2 shots and then wait to see if he was going to shoot back at me or run me over. The crook knew that he would be shot at by police because he lives in America and is a crook. He had control of the situation at all times and could have just stopped and put his hands up. I wonder why he didn't??

put myself in their shoes,how can i,im not a cop i'm a citizen and as one i can have a opinion,i should grow up,im yet to target anyone yet half the keyboard warriors seem to love putting S### on me for having a opinion,get over it.

Originally Posted by BA_Turbs

You've proven repeatedly in this thread you don't know what your talking about. There is no such thing as 'shoot to kill' and 'shoot to harm' and some of your comments are offensive to people who are police or have them in their family.

But hey, what would Redrum, who is a policeman, know about police work?

Back to your chair and sort out your response eh?

im so sorry i stand corrected,i apologise in advance for anything i have stated or said in this thread,i shall go read my bible,go to church every sunday and never break a law ever again in my life.FFS its a opinion you dont agree with,dont target me because mines different then yours,live with the fact im entitled to my opinion and again for those mentally challenged.

officer has the right to protect himself YES
empty his gun to do so NO

i dont need arm chair experience to know that,and im sure i might not be a cop but i know more then you think.

back to my arm chair to read my bible




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[Boss 5.4]

Originally Posted by HOON69

that i am,but just cause you know a thing or two dont mean you can have this shoot to kill mentallity everytime you look at a criminal does it?

dont like my opinion tough,im entitled to it whether i offend anyone or not,i said it was excessive you'll acting like i said the cop should be on death row or something,grow the hell up and realise this place is bigger then you and is full of ppl who dont share every point of view you do.

put myself in their shoes,how can i,im not a cop i'm a citizen and as one i can have a opinion,i should grow up,im yet to target anyone yet half the keyboard warriors seem to love putting S### on me for having a opinion,get over it.

im so sorry i stand corrected,i apologise in advance for anything i have stated or said in this thread,i shall go read my bible,go to church every sunday and never break a law ever again in my life.FFS its a opinion you dont agree with,dont target me because mines different then yours,live with the fact im entitled to my opinion and again for those mentally challenged.

officer has the right to protect himself YES
empty his gun to do so NO

i dont need arm chair experience to know that,and im sure i might not be a cop but i know more then you think.

back to my arm chair to read my bible




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You keep saying its only an opinion and obviously you feel very strong against the cops actions, just realise every other post here is someone elses opinion and doesnt need you to highlight and counter everything they type (you are contradiciting yourself evry time you do), you keep saying the majority of posts are in favour of excessive force, I see every second post is from you. Just relax and let others have there say as well.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by HOON69

that i am,but just cause you know a thing or two dont mean you can have this shoot to kill mentallity everytime you look at a criminal does it?
How do you conclude from a handful of clips on the net, that police have a shoot to kill any crim they come face to face with mentality? How many arrests are carried out each day in just say NSW? And how often does it end in gunshots, and a death?

I bet its less often than someone in a car acting the fool kills someone.

dont like my opinion tough,im entitled to it whether i offend anyone or not,i said it was excessive you'll acting like i said the cop should be on death row or something,grow the hell up and realise this place is bigger then you and is full of ppl who dont share every point of view you do.

put myself in their shoes,how can i,im not a cop i'm a citizen and as one i can have a opinion,i should grow up,im yet to target anyone yet half the keyboard warriors seem to love putting S### on me for having a opinion,get over it.
Funny, yours is an opinion, but everyone elses is something else?
im so sorry i stand corrected,i apologise in advance for anything i have stated or said in this thread,i shall go read my bible,go to church every sunday and never break a law ever again in my life.FFS its a opinion you dont agree with,dont target me because mines different then yours,live with the fact im entitled to my opinion and again for those mentally challenged.
And we get to the reason for your concern over this. You may some day find yourself looking down a police barrel? Never break a law again? Ive broken the speed limit, but when the lights flash, I stop and accept that Im going to be paying for it. I aint gonna get shot.
officer has the right to protect himself YES
empty his gun to do so NO

You may wish to check that policy in reference to the US. They have an authorisation by way of SOP that states between 5 and 7 shots in the head to render the culprit inert. Suicide bombers and all that, it isnt perfect, but its an attempt to overcome a problem that really has no answers. Yes yes, this isnt terrorism, but neither was the other clip you posted, and a cop paid the ultimate price for that. Police take risks, theyre not required to commit suicide.

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by Boss 5.4

You keep saying its only an opinion and obviously you feel very strong against the cops actions, just realise every other post here is someone elses opinion and doesnt need you to highlight and counter everything they type (you are contradiciting yourself evry time you do), you keep saying the majority of posts are in favour of excessive force, I see every second post is from you. Just relax and let others have there say as well.

cheers will do that,as long as ppl dont feel the need to tell me what i should think or do(you know the bit where they keep qouting me)
contradicting myself how? i always have and will say
police has right to protect himself YES
offload all his gun to do so and kill someone NO

i didnt think FFAU was auspolforums.au

and your right,i feel strongly against their actions (in this case)and not police officers in general yet ppl seem to think its cop bashing?

back to my arm chair now.

Originally Posted by fmc351

You may wish to check that policy in reference to the US. They have an authorisation by way of SOP that states between 5 and 7 shots in the head to render the culprit inert. Suicide bombers and all that, it isnt perfect, but its an attempt to overcome a problem that really has no answers. Yes yes, this isnt terrorism, but neither was the other clip you posted, and a cop paid the ultimate price for that. Police take risks, theyre not required to commit suicide.

agree 100%,but did he not jump onto the car to place himself at risk?

anyways over it,do as you will.

Originally Posted by 87xfdriver

It's a pity that people can't express their honest opinions however idioitic, offensive, etc. they are thought to be, and still be treated with a little common courtesy.

Really, "namecalling" doesn't get anyone closer to helping police pursuit issues, regardless of what country you're in, it needs be adressed calmly and maturely.

Each case no doubt has to be judged on its own merits by the officers involved, and no doubt they are, however it really is impossible to make an accurate judgement of what actually happened from that video alone, the officer may have been left with no other option- There's no one sole cause to what happened in that chase its a whole series of events that combined to ultimately end in tragedy.

None of us, whatever our experiences are, were there so really we have no right to conclusively say who was right who was wrong: for all we know the officer may have a totally corrupt crim himself. No offense to the fine couragous offices who sacrifice their safety day to day protecting our personal safey.

agreed,all i was saying was imho it was excessive force,never did i say,he was wrong in defending himself,just i believe there was other options available and killing someone imho was the wrong one,whether he was a criminal or not,we are not the judge jury and executioner.
my rant is over.
back to my arm chair to wait for bathurst

[87xfdriver]

It's a pity that people can't express their honest opinions however idioitic, offensive, etc. they are thought to be, and still be treated with a little common courtesy.

Really, "namecalling" doesn't get anyone closer to helping police pursuit issues, regardless of what country you're in, it needs be adressed calmly and maturely.

Each case no doubt has to be judged on its own merits by the officers involved, and no doubt they are, however it really is impossible to make an accurate judgement of what actually happened from that video alone, the officer may have been left with no other option- There's no one sole cause to what happened in that chase its a whole series of events that combined to ultimately end in tragedy.

None of us, whatever our experiences are, were there so really we have no right to conclusively say who was right who was wrong: for all we know the officer may have a totally corrupt crim himself. No offense to the fine couragous offices who sacrifice their safety day to day protecting our personal safey.

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by HOON69

dont like my opinion tough,im entitled to it whether i offend anyone or not,

No Actually your NOT.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by HOON69

that i am,but just cause you know a thing or two dont mean you can have this shoot to kill mentallity everytime you look at a criminal does it?

dont like my opinion tough,im entitled to it whether i offend anyone or not,i said it was excessive you'll acting like i said the cop should be on death row or something,grow the hell up and realise this place is bigger then you and is full of ppl who dont share every point of view you do.

put myself in their shoes,how can i,im not a cop i'm a citizen and as one i can have a opinion,i should grow up,im yet to target anyone yet half the keyboard warriors seem to love putting S### on me for having a opinion,get over it.

im so sorry i stand corrected,i apologise in advance for anything i have stated or said in this thread,i shall go read my bible,go to church every sunday and never break a law ever again in my life.FFS its a opinion you dont agree with,dont target me because mines different then yours,live with the fact im entitled to my opinion and again for those mentally challenged.

officer has the right to protect himself YES
empty his gun to do so NO

i dont need arm chair experience to know that,and im sure i might not be a cop but i know more then you think.

back to my arm chair to read my bible




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I do not claim to know everything, but when I form arguments I base them on evidence and not hearsay.

[Boss 5.4]

Originally Posted by HOON69

cheers will do that,as long as ppl dont feel the need to tell me what i should think or do(you know the bit where they keep qouting me)
contradicting myself how? i always have and will say
police has right to protect himself YES
offload all his gun to do so and kill someone NO

i

I only meant contradicting yourself by telling people its only an opinion and then keep coming back at them for having a different one, but enough of that, as you stated... BATHURST on Sunday, we should be all hugging and drinking beer in anticipation for a FORD defence and a bloody good long day of racing, time to unite fellas, the day is near :

[Boss 5.4]

that last post wasn't supposed to come accross as gay by the way!!!!!!

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

was there enough cars there to block the driver in? if so thats what should have been done, either that or pinned the car against something.

Obviously the driver was doing his utmost to evade. Would you feel comfortable trying to pin him in not knowing if he's carrying a firearm? I know I certainly wouldn't want to get close enough to him that he was out of options to evade and start firing from short range.

I believe they had to do what they had to do and end it right there. It's a testament to their ability that the cop took a calculated risk and managed to just take out the driver.

[87xfdriver]

Would you feel comfortable trying to pin him in not knowing if he's carrying a firearm?

Just wondering would you feel any different if it turned out to be woman driving?

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by HOON69

agree 100%,but did he not jump onto the car to place himself at risk?

anyways over it,do as you will.

You could say he put himself in danger, but can you honestly say that was unnecessary? I wouldnt suggest we could demand that level of dedication, but Im sure not gonna turn it around on him for doing so. Cars are deadly, he had to be stopped. He could have just stopped, he chose not too. The officer decided to end it the only way he saw that he could.

I call it bravery, and applaud him him for that. I myself wouldnt have done so.

By the way, as a youngin Police and I didnt exactly see eye to eye, I grew up in Sunshine (3020) in the 80's mate, I have an understanding of the other side of the law. I just have a very different opinion of them today. I never disrespected them though, but most people my age where I lived did have something to hide, I copped a tarring with the same brush. I never liked it at the time, but I now have an understanding of how that works, and cant hold it against them. Dont get me wrong, I got up to shenanigans, rode bikes in the quarries, short bursts along roads to get to the creek etc as I couldnt be ar5ed walking it. Other friends who did the same when caught gave the cops a mouthful, and got what they asked for. I respected them and was usually sent home after taking my name and got a quiet visit later on with nothing more than a warning. It was all in the attitude.

I wont bother going into any of the other shenanigans I got up to, but there were a few Im not to proud of.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by 87xfdriver

Just wondering would you feel any different if it turned out to be woman driving?

Why would it?

Car less deadly in female hands? Gun? Im not sure what part of being female makes it somewhat different.

Id argue by virtue of gender alone, she is more dangerous on the road? :


/runs and hides.