What makes a "Muscle Car"?

[Badcooky]

If a phase 3 ain't a muscle car WTF is?

[Badcooky]

Originally Posted by EviLkarL

Yep a Javlin has all the ingredience a muscle car requires. Maybe a lightweight but certainly muscle with great pedigree and proud racing history

All except Presence.

[burnz]

GTO judge

[richa]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I'd have almost said the opposite. Heaps of grunt and awful handling.

Muscle to me is 60's-70's big HP car. Doesn't have to have a V8 as I'd class an E49 Charger as a muscle car.

Skyline or an F6 as muscle? No chance.

WELL SAID RODP.

[GS608]

has to be big, abusive and unforgiving.

has to be fast with minimal handling. Basically from the 60's/70's era

Wouldn't really call anything from today a proper muscle car, the new Challenger and Camaro are retro muscle cars though...

[xbcool]

for me a muscle car is from the late 50s to the late 70s it doesn't need to be a v8 but it does need to have poor handling ,bugger all brakes and some kind of race heritage, (eg bathurst).

most cars after that I would class them as a performace car ( turbos, efi, abs just to name a few).


I'm happy to own any of them I just can't afford the fuel to feed em

[Phillo1970]

Please peoples, can anyone help me? I am trying to get all types of falcon pics, but am having trouble deciphering what appears to be a heap of different model XL Falcons. Can someone please explain what the differences are to distinguish between the different models of the XL. I find that there are 2 doors 4 doors different grills different body panels??? Anyway any help with this would be muchly appreciated. Thank you for your time. If you want to save some space just send me an email. Once again thanx.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Phillo1970

Please peoples, can anyone help me? I am trying to get all types of falcon pics, but am having trouble deciphering what appears to be a heap of different model XL Falcons. Can someone please explain what the differences are to distinguish between the different models of the XL. I find that there are 2 doors 4 doors different grills different body panels??? Anyway any help with this would be muchly appreciated. Thank you for your time. If you want to save some space just send me an email. Once again thanx.

Start a new thread :

[satria]

a muscle car is anything oldschool and intimidating really. And by intimidating i mean how people move out of your way when they see you in their rear view mirrors. I laugh when people move out the xw's way when they clearly wouldn't if i was in the mrs daihatsu.

Thats a muscle car to me

[sleekism]

Skyline a muscle car???????????

I think I will let this video explain and you tell me if it's giving off any muscle car vibes

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iGROtBJWX...eature=related

I think a muscle car is considered a large displacement, affordable small/mid size rear-wheel drive American/Australian vehicle up until the intoruction of plastic bumpers.

It's a very iffy subject as the Americans consider the muscle car era ending around the early 70's while Australia was still producing muscle cars up until the early 80's or early 90's if you count the Group A Commodores up until the VN SS Group A.

[Fev]

from the definition of a muscle car(V8, big HP, smaller body yet still a bit heavy, usually a 2dr)

i would consider this a modern muscle car
Merc SLK55 - V8, 294kw's, 520nm. 1,495kgs - LOTS OF FUN

[schnoods]

I dont think there is any modern Car that i'd accept as a muscle car except one.

http://thegarageblog.com/garage/dodg...g-car-package/

Ok so now we have a rough definition of what a drag car is or isnt, Would a V8 powered Panel Van (sandman, sundowner, drifter) be considered as not being a muscle car?

And what about all the Tonners with V8's in em as well as utes? Are they just a suped up work vehicle??

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I'd have almost said the opposite. Heaps of grunt and awful handling.

Muscle to me is 60's-70's big HP car. Doesn't have to have a V8 as I'd class an E49 Charger as a muscle car.

Skyline or an F6 as muscle? No chance.

Agreed. The E49 Charger had more stomp off the bottom than any of the Aussie V8 muscle cars, absolute no contest. Most people think that with six pots and three dual throat Webers they would have been a top end car but nothing is further from the truth. They have unbelievable pull from the bottom and those Webers make wonderful noises. Still today the E49 is the most satisfying drivers car I have driven. Just an absolute joy to drive in the twisty stuff. As long as you didn't need to brake too often of course, LOL.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Fev

from the definition of a muscle car(V8, big HP, smaller body yet still a bit heavy, usually a 2dr)

i would consider this a modern muscle car
Merc SLK55 - V8, 294kw's, 520nm. 1,495kgs - LOTS OF FUN

No such thing as a Modern muscle car just ask some people around here :

[chevypower]

I would call the Dodge Viper a muscle car. It's modern, doesn't have metal bumpers, and doesn't have 8 cylinders. That defies all the common definitions on this thread!

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I would call the Dodge Viper a muscle car. It's modern, doesn't have metal bumpers, and doesn't have 8 cylinders. That defies all the common definitions on this thread!

I agree there too

[schnoods]

Its a sports car without technology!

[satria]

dodge viper still falls under my understanding of what defines a muscle car. A viper would definately make cars move out of it's way, just the same as a nice charger or torana would.

i think for a car to be a muscle car it just needs a menacing presence and a look of get the fudge outta my way. Yeah a turbo lancer or whatever MAY be quicker, but it doesn't have that same presence of a car like a camaro/charger/ etc.

i got my old man to drive my xw the other day while i drove his 300C and even i was thinking 'wow, it looks like it just wants to eat you'. Definately had a presence on the road over the other cars, and the funny part is they came out with that 'presence' from the factory!

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by schnoods

Its a sports car without technology!

haha, true!

[i own mine]

whats a muscle car hey? easy its a V8 aussie made FORD or holden, no exceptions what-so-ever!!!!
carby only no fuel injection. no turbo. : :evil3:

[schnoods]

Im sure there are alot of Valiants that fit in to that category, the 318 fireball was revered in its day, let alone the R/T 265 Hemi.

[TERMINATOR X]

Originally Posted by KenLee

Muscle cars are like barbarians.
Faster Japanese cars are like ninjas. Both kills, both have different way of killing.

I'd be a ninja anyday of the week.

ninjas suck mate. :

[TERMINATOR X]

A skyline? Ummm. NO! Take that hairdryer off and your left with a rideon lawnmower.
Jap is NOT and NEVER will be a bloody muscle car. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Badcooky]

Im still back at the Viper enigma.
Is it? Isn't it?.
I don't know.
The Viper definitely has most bases covered.
The Ford GT40 has a look in as well i'd say.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Badcooky

Im still back at the Viper enigma.
Is it? Isn't it?.
I don't know.
The Viper definitely has most bases covered.
The Ford GT40 has a look in as well i'd say.

if you add the viper, then add the stingray.

[Badcooky]

The Stingray was already there dude.
I'd slot the GT40 before the Dodge though,or does retro score high?
Fooked if i know.

[BENT_8]

This is a no brainer guys.
The muscle car must be built before the last of the 4v big valve GT's were built.
The muscle car must have atleast 5.8litre capacity in V configuration.
The muscle car must be made by Ford and carry a GT 351 badge.

An F6 cant be a true muscle car as muscle cars must have won Bathurst in standard road trim, which is a circuit racing format, and as we all know the F6 is a crap track car.

[Bad Bird]

What about a Boss 302? :P

[BENT_8]

Nope, pretty sure a Boss 302 doesn't fit that description

[mcnews]

Anything with air-con, electric windows and sound deadening is not a muscle car.