AU XR6 VCT versus Honda VTEC Prelude

[clontarf_x]

Originally Posted by XR6_4EVA

Some people might hate threads like this but i think it brings about good discussion and experiences.

Agreed. And I can say from experience that the Prelude will give the XR6 VCT ST chop up until 120/130km/hr which is where the big torque 6 will start catching up. At the traffic light drags, expect to lose by about 2 or 3 car lengths. The weight and rev range just leaves the boat motors for dead.

[Serial_Fool]

Remember kids, if you want to do "comparitive tests" its best that you get a manual.

[daniel_rossy]

[Falcon4L]

Originally Posted by damir05

he had extractors, full exhaust, ss induction kit and tune done 152 kws stock 190kws after, done at formula tech in Perth

so he took the motor out to tune it?

[snappy]

Hurry up and race. i want results

[Nikked]

Money on the Honda...

[Falc'man]

AU VCT XR6s weighed around 1700kg+

Originally Posted by daniel_rossy

I think chickens are the funniest animals... I don't why but I find them hilarious. But this ^^ takes it to another level.

[EA Bogan]

damn you daniel_rossy i was gonna post that pic!! Its another case of similar power/weight ratio but the falcon has an auto..if the honda driver sucks you will beat him easily, if he can shift properly he will most likely triumph..never ever EVER unerestimate a good manual driver, even in a much less powerful car..I smoke automatic VL commies in my little 1.3 litre Toyota Starlet manual.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by TXR

I couldn't get any better than 16.09 out of mine. Same as your car, except I didn't have the K&N Filter and mine wasn't a sprint. Not that the badge makes any difference to the times.

Of course it does.

Without the badge his car would be lighter and beat the Honda for sure!

I asked the same thing you did a while back. It really depends on the condition of the car and of course mods. I've beaten a VT SS (probably thrashed) and almost got beaten by a bloody mazda 3.

Just drag him at a track and find out. There's really no way to be 100% unless you do it.

[GSH]

My mate had a 1995 Vtec Civic hatch with a few mods.....VTEC would push you into the seat....Use to take out pretty much all stock 5litres and most other cars.......VTEC is no joke.....People bag it out all the time but they move...seriously move...

[GSH]

LOL yeh right mate....Buzz box? Vtec is no joke mate

Originally Posted by XR6_4EVA

How quick can the stupid buzz box be?

[AC]

Maybe we could start with the "VCT Just kicked in YO" Jokes :P


I couldnt help but post this one

[XR6_4EVA]

We raced!

Track used: (2km road on friends country property used to get to a vine yard)

Results: Off the line he had a 1.5 car length lead which grew a little up untill i hit second at 70 and he shifted gears again during which i closed the gap to me being half way up his car untill he reached hi revs and regained a bit of length, then on his next shift whilst my second was carrying me right up to 115 it became a neck and neck. End result was he sat infront of me by about half a car length so the VTEC won! If we carried up through to a higher speed i think i would of eaten him through the length of 3rd. But we didnt try to those speeds.

We had a few drags but the results stayed faily close together with the Honda always being at least half a car infront. Each of us had a person in our passenger seats to have a good look at the situations in each race.

Even though i lost im pretty happy with the result all things considered.

The Honda VTEC would definitly be a pain to beat along normal streets where you dont have that kind of length to use higher speeds in the N/A 6. I definitly would of underestimated this car if it pulled up next to me at the lights.

Video's will be on youtube once i get hold of them.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by XR6_4EVA

We raced!

Track used: (2km road on friends country property used to get to a vine yard)

Results: Off the line he had a 1.5 car length lead which grew a little up untill i hit second at 70 and he shifted gears again during which i closed the gap to me being half way up his car untill he reached hi revs and regained a bit of length, then on his next shift whilst my second was carrying me right up to 115 it became a neck and neck. End result was he sat infront of me by about half a car length so the VTEC won! If we carried up through to a higher speed i think i would of eaten him through the length of 3rd. But we didnt try to those speeds.

We had a few drags but the results stayed faily close together with the Honda always being at least half a car infront. Each of us had a person in our passenger seats to have a good look at the situations in each race.

Even though i lost im pretty happy with the result all things considered.

The Honda VTEC would definitly be a pain to beat along normal streets where you dont have that kind of length to use higher speeds in the N/A 6. I definitly would of underestimated this car if it pulled up next to me at the lights.

Video's will be on youtube once i get hold of them.

Originally Posted by XR6_4EVA

How quick can the stupid buzz box be?

Answer, quick enough!

[XR6_4EVA]

What can i say! My eyes are now opened into the world of N/A 4 cyl's....

[EF Hoon]

good to hear a ending to a versus thread. i have also been in a forth gen vtec lude, there good, but a 5 speed falc should get one.

[DBourne]

i still reckon if you had a manual you would have been fine. the tall gearing in the auto would have been what killed you

p.s. good to see you didn't write back saying "i lost because the cambre of the road favoured him more" or "he got a slight tailwind" etc. hate it when people make excuses!

[BlackLS]

A nice stallie would fix up the 4speeds slow launch.

[PoMmYwOG]

mate did u stall it up before you launched?? That might have gotten a bit of ground for you and help 1st gear pick up quicker...My XR6 gets off the line lots quicker if i stall it up, only problem is that if my tyres are cold i lose traction so its becomes pointless...if the race was that close, i reckon if you put in some diff gears(3.7's or something??) to shorten your 1st you should beat him, half a car length is nothing.

[XR6_190]

Oh mate, good to here you were nice and close, Definitely would have beaten him with a properly driven Manual.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by ayeyew

As soon as your get out of first gear, you'll be right... But getting out of that first gear does take a while

The VTEC's are actually not too slow. Not fantastically quick, but no slug.. Especially off the line. My mate has the same car, pretty quick upto 100km/h. Not that quick after that

I've beaten a Prelude in my VCT Ghia. He had me up to 50 kays but beyond that I just kept pulling away from him.

Preludes are extremely overated and there is no tuning potential in it. The bloke I know with the Prelude put an exhaust and intake and chip on and went BACKWARDS in power.

All so what is the big deal with VTEC?? Isn't VCT pretty much the same thing?

[dave289]

I guess iits time to upgrade to a turbo xr6.then you can show him what a real ford six can do,that should wipe the smile of his dial.

[XRated]

Originally Posted by dave289

I guess iits time to upgrade to a turbo xr6.then you can show him what a real ford six can do,that should wipe the smile of his dial.

And then he can upgrade to a S2000/Civic Type R/NSX and etc etc redundancy fail test etc.

[Quicksand]

Originally Posted by XR6_4EVA

What can i say! My eyes are now opened into the world of N/A 4 cyl's....

Back in the day my 94 bluebird used to surprise a few ppl to the speed limit.

And while we are on the theme of VTEC...a few more...

[XR6_190]

Originally Posted by dave289

I guess iits time to upgrade to a turbo xr6.then you can show him what a real ford six can do,that should wipe the smile of his dial.

Better than that, Just get him with a Pov Pack BA/ BF XT, His hot li'l V-Tec won't look too hot being beaten by 4 year old taxi now would it?

[DBourne]

if the AU didnt beat him, why would you think a BF pov pack will?
not a hell of a lot more power, and quite a bit more weight. (taller gears? or same ratios?)

[XR6_190]

just a hell of a lot quicker, more power, more torque, and if we're talking a BF with ZF auto, forget about it.

[DJM83]

At least you had a good go mate. But all said and done i know which car id rather be driving, your XR6. Should have a go with him on a (private/track) road with afew corners in it and compare then

[Bad Bird]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I've beaten a Prelude in my VCT Ghia. He had me up to 50 kays but beyond that I just kept pulling away from him.

Preludes are extremely overated and there is no tuning potential in it. The bloke I know with the Prelude put an exhaust and intake and chip on and went BACKWARDS in power.

All so what is the big deal with VTEC?? Isn't VCT pretty much the same thing?

Vtec actually has two separate cams, a small lift cam for low revs and a high lift cam for high revs.

[chich]

Originally Posted by sleekism

I've beaten a Prelude in my VCT Ghia. He had me up to 50 kays but beyond that I just kept pulling away from him.

Preludes are extremely overated and there is no tuning potential in it. The bloke I know with the Prelude put an exhaust and intake and chip on and went BACKWARDS in power.

Preludes aren't meant to be a fire breathing sports car!

Originally Posted by sleekism

All so what is the big deal with VTEC?? Isn't VCT pretty much the same thing?

No. With the VCT system Ford vary the timing of the whole cam (+/- 10 deg if i remember correctly). Overall a pretty crude way of adjusting cam timing.

Honda's VTEC system uses cams with two different profiles all together. One profile for low rpm & one profile for high rpm.