Wheels Mag: The Top 20 Aussie Muscle Cars

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I agree! i'll go one step further and say (like the majority of people seem to) IMO nothing past the A9X is either!!

No problem with that..........its your opinion...........and you know what they say about opinions..........they're like A Holes...........everyone's got one............

I'm just glad the EBXR6 made the cut.........a true ICON and a car that needs to be lauded..........MUSCLE CAR extraordinaire..........a testament to the mindset behind the list............Great stuff..... :

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by ESP

I'm just glad the EBXR6 made the cut.........a true ICON and a car that needs to be lauded..........MUSCLE CAR extraordinaire..........a testament to the mindset behind the list............Great stuff.

Ditto

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by ESP

I'm just glad the EBXR6 made the cut.........a true ICON and a car that needs to be lauded..........MUSCLE CAR extraordinaire..........a testament to the mindset behind the list............Great stuff.

Ok, I don't own an EB XR6, never have and they dont rate high on my "must buy" list, but Im stuffed if I can understand why people like you especially (ie owners of FPVs and Tickfords) dont think it should be on there.

EB XR6 was THE first 'modern' Falcon to undergo ANY sort of performance upgrade, even if it was bugger all. At the time it was a major breakthrough for Ford and in my opinion it established the 6 cylinder market as we know it now - again I say that without the EB the Turbo 6's would never have come to exist.
What you need to remember is that a GT started out as a big fat Falcon on skinny wheels with a 289 engine - and evolved into what you drive every day with its modular V8, 6spd gearbox, brembo brakes and all the other gear. The EB was the start for XR6 and XR6T and for that reason alone I think it deserves recognition - because if we had never gotten the XR6 we would be stuck with V8's only, and had Holden come up with the Turbo idea first it would be a completely different ballgame.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Ok, I don't own an EB XR6, never have and they dont rate high on my "must buy" list, but Im stuffed if I can understand why people like you especially (ie owners of FPVs and Tickfords) dont think it should be on there.

EB XR6 was THE first 'modern' Falcon to undergo ANY sort of performance upgrade, even if it was bugger all. At the time it was a major breakthrough for Ford and in my opinion it established the 6 cylinder market as we know it now - again I say that without the EB the Turbo 6's would never have come to exist.
What you need to remember is that a GT started out as a big fat Falcon on skinny wheels with a 289 engine - and evolved into what you drive every day with its modular V8, 6spd gearbox, brembo brakes and all the other gear. The EB was the start for XR6 and XR6T and for that reason alone I think it deserves recognition - because if we had never gotten the XR6 we would be stuck with V8's only, and had Holden come up with the Turbo idea first it would be a completely different ballgame.

Hmmmmmmmm..............and here was I thinking that the humble old XE ESP 6 and XE AIT turbo project was the precursor for the modern day EBXR6 and subsequent T6 brigade............how soon we all forget.........

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by ESP

Hmmmmmmmm..............and here was I thinking that the humble old XE ESP 6 and XE AIT turbo project was the precursor for the modern day EBXR6 and subsequent T6 brigade............how soon we all forget.........

Yeah fair points but AIT was an aftermarket company wasnt it? Im not up to date with earlier models and I freely admit that.

[CAMS290]

T3 TE50 and VT 1 GTS for me, the last of their incarnations.....both stroker versions of their bread and butter V8's and both torque monsters

[xbgs351]

Originally Posted by ESP

No problem with that..........its your opinion...........and you know what they say about opinions..........they're like A Holes...........everyone's got one............

I'm just glad the EBXR6 made the cut.........a true ICON and a car that needs to be lauded..........MUSCLE CAR extraordinaire..........a testament to the mindset behind the list............Great stuff..... :

EBXR6

[xbgs351]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Only the first 8 are REAL musclecars in my opinion!:

+1

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[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Ok, I don't own an EB XR6, never have and they dont rate high on my "must buy" list, but Im stuffed if I can understand why people like you especially (ie owners of FPVs and Tickfords) dont think it should be on there.

EB XR6 was THE first 'modern' Falcon to undergo ANY sort of performance upgrade, even if it was bugger all.......

I just think its evolution ..... happened with all models ....... 5 steps forward, couple back wards but in the end we all eventually ended up with better cars .... I just cant put the words E series and 'Muscle car' in the same sentence with a straight face! I also would say that you cant base a car being 'great' because it was the beginning of better cars?



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[HEMI POWER]

Well after reading this list i am going to purchase a Real Muscle car off this list.Thinking of selling 2 of my GT rims for this. :

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/FORD/TE50/details.aspx?__sid=11BDBCB03A8B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_Pri vateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCo%20unt_Int32| 1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20St ates&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&Model=T E50&R=5277910&__N=4294966463+0+834+285+257+4294960 332+1216&Make=FORD&state_id=0&trecs=

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by ESP

....humble old XE ESP 6 and XE AIT turbo project

AIT was aftermarket and since when could a six cylinder ESP outrun it's V8 sibling? Performance six cylinder? Hardly.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Peuty

AIT was aftermarket and since when could a six cylinder ESP outrun it's V8 sibling? Performance six cylinder? Hardly.

Since it ran a fuel injected 250 with 4 speed that was the equal if not better than its 4.9 powered bigger brother..............

And since the AIT Turbo had a factory compliance plate by Ford and you could get parts for the XE ESP turbo form your local Ford dealer..........

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

MKVIII - NAGARI (with Ford 351) (Australia's 5th largest manufacturer ... at some point)

More of a sports car than a muscle car, the Holden Mk 7 was meant to handle better and anyway I thought the factory cars were `only’ 302’s?

If sports cars are allowed you may as well put the Chooklotto on the list.

And if the XA GTHO (4 made) can make it on the list then would that mean the HRT 427 Coupe (2 made) could make it as well? Hmm how about the Bill Bourke special? Leyland Force 7's? The Mystere/Recaro Torana Hatch?

Originally Posted by nugget378

When will we see a list of the most depreciating muscle cars I wonder?

That would be the Corsa Special Vehicles La Classe wouldn’t it?

Honorouble mentions to the Brock 6 cylinder Director, HSV Jackaroo’s, Herrod/DJR 320, Wayne Gardiner’s WGR Commodores, Ralliart Magnas, Moffat’s Homologated Options Falcon, Alan Jones Racing EF Falcon, HSV Astra 1800, HSV +6, HSV SV 3800, That supercharged EA with the twin wheel/tyre concept. Gee, you can get quite a big list going here.

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by ESP

Turbo had a factory compliance plate by Ford

Was that a compliance plate for the turbo gear as well? Because last time I checked every car has a factory compliance plate.

As for the injected 250 being better than the 302, enlighten me please.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Peuty

Was that a compliance plate for the turbo gear as well? Because last time I checked every car has a factory compliance plate.

As for the injected 250 being better than the 302, enlighten me please.

Certainly was..........Complianced by AIT with approval from FORD...........Correct me if I'm wrong...........

The Injected 250 was only marginally lower in torque output but due to its substantially lower weight was the equal measure of the 4.9

Torque: 325Nm at 2800rpm for the 6
Torque: 344Nm at 3200rpm for the 8

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

Honorouble mentions to the Brock 6 cylinder Director, HSV Jackaroo’s, Herrod/DJR 320, Wayne Gardiner’s WGR Commodores, Ralliart Magnas, Moffat’s Homologated Options Falcon, Alan Jones Racing EF Falcon, HSV Astra 1800, HSV +6, HSV SV 3800, That supercharged EA with the twin wheel/tyre concept. Gee, you can get quite a big list going here.

Brock Falcons/Fairlanes, SVO Falcons, FTE 'Experience', Tickford Mustang, CV6 Monaro, FPV Force, LE Monaro, 4 door GTS Monaros, Coupe 4, HSV Avalanche, XU6/8

[schnoods]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Only the first 8 are REAL musclecars in my opinion!:

+1
Completely agreed.

Others are great cars in their own right, but as said, muscle cars are definately a different era.

[HLC]

Originally Posted by Ives

BA/BF over AU anyday of the week.

AU over 4-banger any day of the week.

[Jayden]

I too think the muscle car tag is over used. muscle cars should be loud and rough V8s or 6s with all HP and little finesse on traction control and electrics. otherwise theres a big category overlap with skylines or BMWs that gets too hard to explain. imo.

[Mark s]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Only the first 8 are REAL musclecars in my opinion!:

Agreed, I would maybe throw the VK Grp A in as well

EB XR8/XR6 wow I owned a muscle car and did not know it.
Wonder if it would be worth 900,000 in 30 years time.

[bathurst77]

Surprising the Phase 1 Windsor HO aint on it.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by 51RTE

Nothing wrong with that mate just a light hearted post, hell id love a gold XR GT next to my T2

That one flew right over your head :P

[mongoloid]

I own an ED XR6 (close enough to an EB XR6) and i dont think they should be on the list. Just because it started something does not qualify it as a muscle car, i think the ED sprint would be a much more appropriate addition...

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

That would be the Corsa Special Vehicles La Classe wouldn’t it?

Honorouble mentions to the Brock 6 cylinder Director, HSV Jackaroo’s, Herrod/DJR 320, Wayne Gardiner’s WGR Commodores, Ralliart Magnas, Moffat’s Homologated Options Falcon, Alan Jones Racing EF Falcon, HSV Astra 1800, HSV +6, HSV SV 3800, That supercharged EA with the twin wheel/tyre concept. Gee, you can get quite a big list going here.

I was thinking more along the lines of the ones already on the list,since they were listed as muscle cars..most of which arent really muscle cars by the strict definition,then again as said its all subjective..but a ralliart magna and HSV astra??

[SSbaby]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Nothing wrong with the EB XR6 being there, it was quicker than the 200kw HSVs (and Falcon GT) of the time.

Really? I beg to differ.

[burnz]

no SL/R 5000..XAGT

[TZENU]

There are many cars that could have made it on the list... Wheels obviously wanted to mix in the new muscle with the old muscle..
Disappointing that there are no blue oval coupes though

[BAxtER]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

Really? I beg to differ.

your right ss baby they were not as quick as the EB GT or the GTS...here is a copy of dec1992 wheels magazine i dug up.

xr6 did 0-100kms in 7.8, both the GT and GTS did it in 7.3.
As for quarter mile xr6 did it in 15.6, where as the GT 15.2 and the GTS 15.3.

2nd pic shows it all if you can see it. (note the GT is on the right hand coloumn on the top). cheers
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hope this is helpful.
cheers

[4Vman]

My totally and unashamedly biased top 21 aussie Factory Musclecars in age order but not "ranked":

XRGT
XTGT
Pacer
HK GTS 327
XWGT windsor
XWGTHO Phase 1
HT GTS 350
XWGT cleveland
XWGTHO Phase 2
XYGT
XYGTHO Phase 3
E38
HG GTS 350
GTR XU1
XAGT + RPO
E49
XBGT
LH SLR 5000
LH SLR500 L34
LX SLR5000
LX SLR5000/SS/A9X

[Ives]

Originally Posted by HLC

AU over 4-banger any day of the week.

Ha! You're so mis-informed, it's not funny.