Anyone tried putting an LS engine in AU? - Page 3

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by POELWYK

true but thay handle better then the Trusty old au maybee FG stuff might be a better way to go

No way man! My AU XR handles 10 times better than all the BA's iv driven!

But AU XRs have different suspension, IRS, setup to base models i think

au11futura · 15-10-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Its been well documented that the AU IRS is a better setup then the BA so that arguement is null and void. And also being lighter over the front wheels in the AU too.

very true.

POELWYK · 15-10-2009, 07:12 PM

well sorry i nataly thougth it beeng a newer car it would be better

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

"Only 500HP stock"? So what have you done to get that?

"Big plans and a smaller budget"? Sorry, but you have to get real. You don't get anything for nothing.

"Strokering and crate motors"? Funny word "strokering" ... you actually sound a bit like a Holden bogan and maybe you are one person who could actually get away with a crate LS engine in your XR8. At least your Holden mates will still talk to you.

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

WHOA! :togo:

1. the 500hp comment.. I have been told that the stock 5.0 block in my xr8 will only handle 500hp before it starts to crack/split... I dont have 500hp lol

Dont know why i deserved to be called a bogan.. seriously...

I was looking at crate motors in general, not just LS motors...

I plan on giving my engine alot of sh$^ and my current engine is not up to the task, it was a thrash mobile b4 i got it... So i was thinking about getting an alrady built engine...

Settle down mate

frd906 · 15-10-2009, 07:15 PM

nothing lol

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by au11futura

mate you have realy opened a huge can of worms here this thread exploded so fast with replie's normaly were hanging to see replies in threads we write. lol

at the end of the day i bet garry myers mates laghed when he said hes putting a hemmi in his mussie.

Tell me about it man! :togo:

: Very interesting reactions though

**DJM83** · 15-10-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by POELWYK

well sorry i nataly thougth it beeng a newer car it would be better

Guys that own them will probably tell you that, but in reality its not.

This is NOT inteneded to start an arguement

JC · 15-10-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by redauxr8

Yeh I definetly wanna try something different... Maybe an EVO or WRX engine

: JOKES!

I have seen a centrifugal charger feeding into a positive displacement supercharger setup on an LS1.. Has anyone tried this with a ford yet? I was thinking about twin turbo, but alas someone has beaten me to it! And like his thread was titled, my block would go BOOM! So i think my first "proper" mod should be an aftermarket alloy block....

There's no reason it wouldn't fit, and bang for buck, might just be the way to go. Not sure how the ford ECU would react to it, but there is so much aftermarket software available for LS1s it's not funny (much wider selection than Ford software options). You'd have to get a custom bellhousing for the transmission/manual box (I wouldn't use a holden one, unless you got the 6M).

I reckon this would be doable for between $5k and $8k - a lot cheaper than a stroker or a good I6T setup.

Personally, I say go for it, and document it, as it may be something others will then use. An engine is an engine - the soul will still be ford though.

au11futura · 15-10-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by POELWYK

well sorry i nataly thougth it beeng a newer car it would be better

i think the BA is now the one that is in the ugly duckling catagory as the au was when people were in the e-series, i remember when everyone said the au's were sh#t ugly womens cars (no offense to our lady members) and generaly a bad car 10 years down the line the Au has proven itself over and over again.

Give the ba some time, although it might never as the FG is out and better than ever ford have made a great car awsome.

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

There's no reason it wouldn't fit, and bang for buck, might just be the way to go. Not sure how the ford ECU would react to it, but there is so much aftermarket software available for LS1s it's not funny (much wider selection than Ford software options). You'd have to get a custom bellhousing for the transmission/manual box (I wouldn't use a holden one, unless you got the 6M).

I reckon this would be doable for between $5k and $8k - a lot cheaper than a stroker or a good I6T setup.

Personally, I say go for it, and document it, as it may be something others will then use. An engine is an engine - the soul will still be ford though.

Are all the LS engines the same size? ls1,ls2etc

burnz · 15-10-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

this post makes no sense.
you dont know the life span of an LS motor.

saving 250kg will aid in acceleration and change of direction.

crash test: its still an AU the donk wont change a thing.

RG · 15-10-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

"Only 500HP stock"? So what have you done to get that?

"Big plans and a smaller budget"? Sorry, but you have to get real. You don't get anything for nothing.

"Strokering and crate motors"? Funny word "strokering" ... you actually sound a bit like a Holden bogan and maybe you are one person who could actually get away with a crate LS engine in your XR8. At least your Holden mates will still talk to you.

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

This man knows his stuff.

If you want a nose heavy pig that is only good for straight lines go a 5.4. If you have deep pockets and are 3/4 crazy go a 4.6 like CAT600. If you want to go a tries and tested route and have a bit of dosh and know someone who is known to be able to build a Windsor then go the 347.

If you want something a little different then may I suggest a low comp blown 331 stroker.

For the costs and hassle involved in getting an LS engine into the AU I personally would go the blown 331.

On another note some of the posts in here that are basically just waste of bandwidth rubbish disappoint me. Some here really need to have a little think and grow up. Abusing a bloke just because he has a different idea to the norm is not what car modding is about IMO. If it weren't for the guys that ask the questions and try something different we'd all be driving white Camry's and nothing would ever change.

burnz · 15-10-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by redauxr8

Are all the LS engines the same size? ls1,ls2etc

yes they are

au11futura · 15-10-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by redauxr8

Tell me about it man! :togo:

: Very interesting reactions though

yeh and its ongoing, ive never seen this on the forum before good on ya mate i thing this will last for a few more days yet. lol

POELWYK · 15-10-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Guys that own them will probably tell you that, but in reality its not.

This is NOT inteneded to start an arguement

no fight from me all i can do is agree

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Originally Posted by au11futura

i think the BA is now the one that is in the ugly duckling catagory as the au was when people were in the e-series, i remember when everyone said the au's were sh#t ugly womens cars (no offense to our lady members) and generaly a bad car 10 years down the line the Au has proven itself over and over again.

Give the ba some time, although it might never as the FG is out and better than ever ford have made a great car awsome.

lol ugly duck lol the au still cops that it anoys me so much

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but i love them thats why i have one :P

i was thinking of replaceing my Power steering rack with a BA or bf one to improve the handaling and new say bars and other things is the BA BF poer steering rack on the ba /bf better then the au??

Stattic · 15-10-2009, 07:31 PM

honestly i would love to see somebody give it a go, i think it's definitely doable and i think youd be able to do it for less than it would cost for a 347
for reliability, i dont think anyone is going to question the windsor over the ls1 but who says he is going to clock up the kays like that? its his car and it would take some balls to go through with a project like that, whether you think the money is better spent elsewhere is irrelevant, the AU is an 11 year old car and i am glad people are still having new ideas for it, whilst its not something i would ever do i would love to see it attempted out of sheer curiosity
also frd906, you dont want to start arguments about peoples choices with regards to their cars because youve annoyed more than enough people on these forums. ever notice that people tend to argue with you far more than others? there is a reason for this

redauxr8, i doubt you will go through with this but hey its an idea and i think it should be open for discussion and not abuse

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by POELWYK

no fight from me all i can do is agree

lol ugly duck lol the au still cops that it anoys me so much

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but i love them thats why i have one :P

i was thinking of replaceing my Power steering rack with a BA or bf one to improve the handaling and new say bars and other things is the BA BF poer steering rack on the ba /bf better then the au??

No wats wrong with u! You'l be turning ur car into a BA/F you'l lose ur soul!(Sarcasm)

But seriously, im interested in this to? Anyone know?

**DJM83** · 15-10-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

If it weren't for the guys that ask the questions and try something different we'd all be driving white Camry's and nothing would ever change.

As i posted in my post so very true

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stattic

redauxr8, i doubt you will go through with this but hey its an idea and i think it should be open for discussion and not abuse

You reckon! I wouldn't know where to begin after this haha

**DJM83** · 15-10-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by redauxr8

You reckon! I wouldn't know where to begin after this haha

BOSS5.0 echoes from the corner

: "BOSS5.0"

redauxr8 · 15-10-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

BOSS5.0 echoes from the corner

: "BOSS5.0"

Ahhh voices in my head..... want me to do terrible....evil things.... need guidance....must...find....CAT600...Terminator build thread!

Windsor220 · 15-10-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by T3man

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter.

I dont know about that 250kg comment. I dont think the VT onwards SS weighed 1500kg. It all depends on what LS engine your talking about too. The original 220-225 LS1s are on par with the old 220 windsor.

Back to the OP. If your a Ford man, dont put an LS engine in there. You would never hear the end of it.
Some options -
Aftermarket block
Sourcing a 351 windsor (stronger) from the states
Boss conversion. Or 4.6.

XR Lita · 15-10-2009, 09:18 PM

I have thought about dropping the LS into my AU XR too...

Once I have the available funds, there is no doubt that I will do it too.

Honestly, I prefer the sound of the LS over the Boss...

**SSD-85** · 15-10-2009, 09:34 PM

lifting the bonnet on an AU with an LS motor would be like lifting the skirt of a tranny. Given the engineering costs of this would be staggering, i would assume an aftermarket block like Dart, etc and a set of whizz bang alloy heads would be cheaper. And it would make an LS look like a lump of molten coke can....

No offense, like i always say each to their own, but geez....

au11futura · 15-10-2009, 10:37 PM

well ive always wanted to shove a 351 clevo in my AU just straight carbi fed pure grunt, they perfomed great in the old tanks and with the AU being lighter i could only wonder what it could do.

au11futura · 15-10-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by POELWYK

no fight from me all i can do is agree

lol ugly duck lol the au still cops that it anoys me so much

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but i love them thats why i have one :P

i was thinking of replaceing my Power steering rack with a BA or bf one to improve the handaling and new say bars and other things is the BA BF poer steering rack on the ba /bf better then the au??

mate i think you should stick to the AU steering set up, but you could do the sway bar change over as the ba ones are thicker bars.

But i would bemore inclined to go whitline.

Stattic · 15-10-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by au11futura

well ive always wanted to shove a 351 clevo in my AU just straight carbi fed pure grunt, they perfomed great in the old tanks and with the AU being lighter i could only wonder what it could do.

i think youd be surprised, the old x series sedans werent actually that heavy
but a clevo in an AU would most certainly be awesome

au11futura · 15-10-2009, 10:47 PM

yeh just a mild clevo, but would deff need to do diff and gear box to put up with the torque of the thing. lol if driveline was to be left stock i have a feeling id have a tail shaft or something come through the floor.

JC · 16-10-2009, 12:18 AM

Yeh, the old 150kw 351s were great, weren't they? That idea is actually worse than putting an LS1 in as the car would never be legal!

frd906 - I have refained from answering any of your posts but "Ford's emission laws"? Are you serious? Do some reading and educate yourself before posting the crap you post.

SLO AU XR8 · 16-10-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by au11futura

yeh just a mild clevo, but would deff need to do diff and gear box to put up with the torque of the thing. lol if driveline was to be left stock i have a feeling id have a tail shaft or something come through the floor.

you'd be surprised what the diff can take. Also, LS1's have been put into an XY, and someone in WA has an L76 6.0L in an EB. I say do it to be different.