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28-10-2009, 02:59 PM | #61 | |||
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The fact they're trying to better the ADR figure, which in itself is tested within different parameters and for a different scenario really makes this whole activity pointless. Of course they will beat the ADR, it doesn't reflect 1000+km of straight driving averaging speeds of 100km/h (ideal conditions for fuel economy).
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28-10-2009, 03:04 PM | #62 | |||
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28-10-2009, 03:18 PM | #63 | |||
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All I meant by my previous comment was that this test is a good exercise for comparing the ultimate fuel economy of vehicles. The vehicles with good numbers here more than likely will have good numbers in reality. It's also a good test to show that even a performance car can get reasonable numbers on the highway. I for one wouldn't drive a maloo or any other gas guzzler regularly in stop start traffic. They're probably more suited to being driven on the long haul anyway, so perhaps these impressive numbers (for a 6.2L V8 and turbo 6) will convince some people to buy a performance car because they'd only use it on weekends or for going on holiday anyway where they will more than likely be doing minimal urban driving. That's where I see the relevance of the % difference component of the test. |
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28-10-2009, 03:24 PM | #64 | |||
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as for ADR % enconomy i couldent care less, just want to know the actual fuel used by all car's. ps: i failed to notice the south park smug alert car. (prius)
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28-10-2009, 03:46 PM | #65 | |||
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The Viva has to be the biggest joke out there. Petrol electric and using as much fuel as a an XR6T with almost the same CO2 emissions aswell!! I hope Fords Marketing department are looking at this. New ad campaign, XR6T, bigger, faster and just as fuel efficient as a Holden small car Hybrid. Can anyone explain what the deal with the electric cars are? Are they measured on how many KM they can get between recharge and which recharges the fastest? Otherwise they seem fairly pointless. Oh and Go the Postie!!!
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28-10-2009, 04:01 PM | #66 | ||
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They should really of conducted more testing in the cities as we all know a major percentage of the population spend their time stop start driving. Its all well and good to include highway travel but maybe not as much as they have done. No the idea isnt just to knock the Maloo off the perch but to give us a more realistic idea of each cars fuel consumption.
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28-10-2009, 05:16 PM | #67 | |||
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That would be the best place to start.
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29-10-2009, 01:33 PM | #68 | |||
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29-10-2009, 01:40 PM | #69 | |||
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29-10-2009, 01:56 PM | #70 | ||
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Well Ford Marketing, present this to us.
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29-10-2009, 02:11 PM | #71 | ||
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I guess this is a question that has to be asked, but if the temperature was cooler, what sort of figures would these cars be returning compared to running in 40 degree temps?
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29-10-2009, 02:27 PM | #72 | |||
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Back on topic, I can't see a loser between the Maloo or the XR6-T if they both smash their ADR figures. This is actually good news for both camps. |
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29-10-2009, 02:31 PM | #73 | ||
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6.9l...unreal.
Id be more interested to see what happens in the city as highway driving is a pretty easy task. Looking good though. Hows the Picaso doing?
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29-10-2009, 03:25 PM | #74 | |||
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29-10-2009, 05:28 PM | #75 | ||
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Looks like the Ford backed University of Michigan Solar car finished third. Good effort considering they finished ahead of both the MIT and UNSW entries.
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29-10-2009, 09:07 PM | #76 | ||
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Final results are out for day 5.
waiting for the coming press releases: 1.Holden - Winner of the Daily ECO Challenge: Maloo ute 2.Holden - Most economical australian built large car in the Daily ECO Challenge: Commodore SIDI sporttwagon 3. Ford - Most economical car in the Daily ECO Challenge: Fezzy Can't wait for someone to mention how economical the SIDI is based on this. :yeees: |
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29-10-2009, 09:23 PM | #77 | ||
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Fiesta got 3.08 l/100. Close to the 2s!
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29-10-2009, 10:02 PM | #78 | |||
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The winner is undoubtedly the Fiesta though! 3.08L/100km. Who has the most economical car in Australia. Ford of course!
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29-10-2009, 10:07 PM | #79 | |||
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Thats 67.3L when calculated out... Could it do it? I wouldn't try, but theoretically it could.
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30-10-2009, 12:16 AM | #80 | ||
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yer the commo has 73 ltr, do it easy. so will the falcon.
and syd ~ melb is 880k
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30-10-2009, 12:20 AM | #81 | ||
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is the commodore sportswagon heavier than the sedan?
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30-10-2009, 12:56 AM | #82 | |||
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For those that don't believe in the Joshau Dowling is biased story (is there anyone left...) here is an extract from his Day Six blog entry (http://carpoint.com.au/reviews/2009/...nge-2009-17173)
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Its not like holden/hsv have the smallest support crew either...apparently the skoda is hauling its own luggage!!!! This guy can't get off his high horse about the support crew. Or is it just that he is desperate to have something to talk about RE holden/HSV at all times. Besides, I think Ford has two territorities and a Mondel LX wagon...hardly a traveling caravan now is it? The more i look at these figures the more and more likely that Ford would have beat the Sportwagon with a ZF I6 NA. If the turbo engined car gets within 0.5 L/100km take the turbo off and up the compression ratio and i think you'd get it no prob....
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30-10-2009, 03:19 AM | #83 | ||
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The Fiesta is off the hook !, All it needs is another 10psi in it and it would be the perfect car
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30-10-2009, 07:20 AM | #84 | |||
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Ford probably went the turbo route for the low down torque that it would produce. Probably much better for cruising than the NA I6 as it's already in the sweet sport on the torque curve whilst cruising.
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30-10-2009, 08:10 AM | #85 | |||
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I can't really agree on the torque theory (though i don't doubt it makes it easier to drive) RE fuel burn though. At the average speeds these guys are doing (70-90km/h) on the open road, flatish terain a 4.0 would have more than enough grunt without the turbo. Burbling along at 1300rpm in 6th (or 1600 in 5th) at 90km/h is not going to tax either Turbo or Atmo engine. But it will cause problems for the turbo RE efficiency because no matter what the VCT does it is still inherently less efficient due to the lower compression ration. You might save a bit going up hills (assuming it downshifts a bit less) but you are making SFA boost at those RPM so.... Fact is Ford went for the biggest % improvment over ADR. Which they would have won had HSV not hastilly entered the Maloo (probably with Downling's prompting...after he realised Ford would win...) to take the crown. While i dont' knock HSV for doing it (they probaly wanted the omega to win it, but Ford put paid to that...) it was a dirty trick primarily because its ADR is so horrid. A car with 15.1 L/100km ADR entered in a economy drive. Its a joke. As for SIDI versus 4.0T...well as i noted earlier.... XR6T running 6.98 L/100km cumulative. THAT IS INSANE for a car of that grunt to get into the 6s. The Omega sportwagon is doing a 6.4 so far....so even though it is highway buffered (with the maloo at 7.6....) getting a similar weight car to do within 0.5 L/100 with an engine 33% bigger, with 42% morem power and a disturbing 84% more torque..... staggering....
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30-10-2009, 08:35 AM | #86 | ||
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yeah that hsv is doing real well for the cubes and grunt that was intended for, economy should have been hsv achellies.
the fiesta is showing what diesel's should be doing. and the smug alert car is doing what i suspected, F all.
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30-10-2009, 08:40 AM | #87 | |||
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30-10-2009, 08:45 AM | #88 | |||
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What is this smug alert car burnz.....not sure im familiar with that terminology....
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30-10-2009, 09:34 AM | #89 | ||
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prius and/or other hybrid's
RE: south park done a hybrid show where the smug would sniff their own farts, they were better than everybody that didnt own a prius.
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30-10-2009, 10:36 AM | #90 | |||
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Though i appreciate the south park reference burnz (we all know hybrids are very so so real world wise) it is worth noting the only hybrid there is a small scale school project. None of the big names turned up (because it wont' work). Here is a post from Bud Bud earlier about the Holden Viva...
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