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30-05-2010, 11:09 AM | #61 | |||
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Such testing causes too many complications such as false sense of security, corruption opportunities and liability issues for the police. All this when responsibility and caution on behalf of the driver is much more effective. A vast majority of the driving public is able to work out when they are safe to drive or not without having to be checked by the police, anyone that can't achieve this skill should not be driving, simple. If you can't, what are you going to do when there are no cops around?
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30-05-2010, 11:10 AM | #62 | ||
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it is all about road safety in this instance
a copper cannot let his drunk mate off and blame the positive test on a caring drunk pedestrian his mate then is taken off the road and therefore cannot cause any carnage due to his condition |
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30-05-2010, 11:14 AM | #63 | ||
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The simple fact is, according to QLD legislation the cops are not allowed to do such testing (not sure of other states), at least that is what I have been told by QLD police.
If this is the case, how can you lot criticise them for not doing something they have no right to do? If some want to bend the rules and do this testing, then that is up to them but you can not expect all of them to do this.
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30-05-2010, 11:41 AM | #64 | |||
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THE GUY WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE IS SAFE, THEN BREATH TEST HIM, COULD NOT BE A MORE RESPONSIBLE REQUEST, 2 BEERS MIGHT NOT PUT ME OVER THE LIMIT BUT IT MIGHT PUT A 60 KILO WOMAN OVER. |
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30-05-2010, 11:56 AM | #65 | |||
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First and foremost if you can feel the effects of alcohol, then more than likely you shouldnt be driving.. even with the beer goggles impairing your judgement. You may think you've just become a superhero driver due to the effects of alcohol but the reality is quite the opposite has happened. There is more than enough info on how much puts you over the number that we're told gets us into trouble, so on 2 separate levels you're able to make a decision about your capacity to drive without the need to be breathalysed...
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30-05-2010, 12:05 PM | #66 | ||
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Here's a simple check measure for those who find it all too hard to work out;
You've had a few drinks and want to drive, ask yourself this; Step 1) Do i feel sober enough and fully alert to drive safely? Yes? go to step 2), No? DONT DRIVE. Step 2) Based on your consumption of std drinks have you stayed within the guidelines for safe compliance with 0.05? Yes? Drive, No? DONT DRIVE. If you cant confidently answer yes to both questions DONT DRIVE. Pretty simple really....
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30-05-2010, 12:16 PM | #67 | |||
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30-05-2010, 12:22 PM | #68 | |||
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Regardless of all the legal ramifications that the Police face by doing it the Police are actually forcing this bloke to use his brain and make a decision for himself. The whole argument about resisting a "nanny state" environment is to encourage people to make responsible decisions without having to check with others or letting them think for us.. See where im coming from? IMO asking to be breathalysed is like saying "you make the decision for me.."
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30-05-2010, 12:32 PM | #69 | |||
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30-05-2010, 12:35 PM | #70 | |||
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Then, as a secondary but compulsary consideration weather he's under 0.05, to be honest even if he thinks he might be borderline DONT drive, just wait an hr, its not that hard to count drinks......
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30-05-2010, 12:36 PM | #71 | |||
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I recognise the limit is 0.05 and your yelled point (caps on) about the morons on the road is exactly my point - imagine these idiots with 0.05 under their skin; how much worse will they be? Assuming 0.05 is no impairment, some might say they're no worse, but 0.05 is recognised as a safe level of impairment. Do I drive if I've had a few drinks - yes. I work out how many drinks I've had, and how many hours, and how I feel. If I'm the only one in the car, or I'm giving a lift to a mate who has also been drinking, I will drive if the counting drinks vs time thing says I should be right. I'm a big bloke, so the theory is the safe levels (2 per first hour, and one every hour after that) should be well and truly safe for me. If I have my family in the car, or I am with a mate who hasn't been drinking, then my sober wife (or mate) drives. Simple. If I go out with the intention of having a few, and I have a lot, I leave the car, cab it home, and pick up the car (assuming it's still there) the next day (usually in the afternoon). Drink driving, and the choice not to, is all about personal responibility. It would be great to get a RBT before you drive, but I can understand why they police won't/can't do it. Apart from anything else, the "education" (ad) campaign is supposed to teach us how to be responsible, and the police are there to get us when we're not - that's their job. The fact that people still drive drunk (and that means over 0.05 for most, or 0.02 for pro drivers, or 0 for Learners etc) means the education campaigns are less than effective. Or maybe it just means some people don't care about what they do, or they are just complete idiots.
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30-05-2010, 12:49 PM | #72 | ||
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Coming from a P-platers point of view, being able to check my Blood alcohol level before I drive, say the morning after a few drinks or maybe driving after having one drink is great, its peace of mind.
I have never driven directly after I have had a drink, or driven when I think I still have alcohol in my system, my job relies on my license, its not worth the risk. Answer this. Would you rather someone get there blood alcohol level checked before they drive just to be safe? ( I know they should be %100 sure but we all know that some people don't think like that) Or... would you rather have someone take the risk (being denied getting there Blood Alcohol level checked) and end up causing an incident and possible death? Surely out of these 2 situation you would rather someone check there blood alcohol and find out that they can or can't drive...
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30-05-2010, 12:57 PM | #73 | ||
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So whats stopping people going to the shops and buying themsleves their own breathalyser?
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30-05-2010, 12:58 PM | #74 | |||
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it is not getting harder to be responsible. it is getting too easy to be irresponsible. the mean, nasty copper didn't give me a breath test before i started driving - it is his fault i crashed while under the influence |
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30-05-2010, 01:10 PM | #75 | |||
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just another example for you ,I remember when my brothers mate went to the pub with us for the first time, he had never drank alcohol before, he had one beer and was ****ed, jumping around climing under the table, you would never have got in the car with him but legally he was safe to drive,yet I could have been over the limit and would have been a safer driver ,but thats the law ,one for all, allthough we all know when it comes to men and women there is one law for them and ANOTHER for us. |
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30-05-2010, 01:14 PM | #77 | |||
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IF police happen to be there I don't see why people have a problem with others checking their Blood alcohol... As for your last sentence about "The mean, nasty copper didn't give me a breath test before i started driving - it is his fault i crashed while under the influence." Thats just being facetious.
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30-05-2010, 01:16 PM | #78 | |||
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So if the nearest station is 10kms away from where you are, what are you going to do? A brethalyser will tell you then and there on the spot. |
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30-05-2010, 01:19 PM | #79 | |||
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however, the way society is going although facetious, it is not far from the truth - if not the truth there have been two very good reasons as to why the police cannot do it. that does not include the fact that to my knowledge, it is illegal in queensland and new south wales and probably all of the states. i do not see what the problem with being responsible while drinking or driving is getting a breath test before driving is not responsible. making sure you are under the limit before driving is |
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The bottom line on this thread is that common sense should win out over stupidity but unfortunately thats not the case. Is it not the job of the police to serve the public and make people safe. but no stupidy wins once again. if you think otherwise then you must be on the stupity side of things, plain and SIMPLE.
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30-05-2010, 01:32 PM | #82 | ||
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I didn't believe it was aimed at me, but I really don't think its right to be using that type of humour on such a serious issue... You seem to have slightly dim view of society, seeing as you 'almost' class all of us together with the people in society that clearly don't give a damn about their and others safety, while MOST of us try to and do the right thing.
I have twice asked for a breath test once leaving a club (the station only 100m away) I believe I did the right thing by doing this, and I don't know how people can have a problem with me making sure that my friends and myself were safe while driving home. I am sure that the police would argue the same point, they would much rather give someone a free breath test (If able to) than to see that person in a serious accident because they thought they were ok to drive but weren't. Todd.
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30-05-2010, 01:33 PM | #83 | ||
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not knowing what you have had to drink and what time frame is stupidity to me - pushing the limits is even more stupid in my opinion
i would think any smart person would know how long they have before driving and judge from there or they would know how much they have had to drink and count the hours from there either way, to drive right on the limit is a pretty stupid thing to do. it may cost you your job, and a whole lot of money and freedom. but that is the policemans fault because . . . . |
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30-05-2010, 01:35 PM | #84 | |||
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But yes, you can't always keep the stupid people safe, especially when they do something that the Police cannot help prevent.
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30-05-2010, 01:38 PM | #85 | |||
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I think pushing the limit is wrong on this subject too, in no way am I condoning drink driving, all I am saying is that its great that these people want to check and be responsible.
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I cannot believe the responses here. People arguing and whining. Fact remains that whether you drink and how much you drink is your own personal responsibility. You need to know your own limits. If you don't, then don't take the risk. If you're under the influence, it is not the policeperson's fault they did not test you. It is your fault that you got behind the wheel after exceeding your own limits, as well as the law's. People are always looking for a way to legitimise passing on responsibility to other people, but that is how we created this litigious society we live in today. How many of you people are happy about that?
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The complications that may arise are simply not worth it. The only solution is to take personal responsiblity. It is that simple. That is not negotiable.
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30-05-2010, 01:58 PM | #89 | |||
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@ Uranium. I don't think you quite understand what I am saying, I am not supporting people that try to "pass the buck." I am simply saying that IF you have the chance there is no problem with checking, as I said before I don't condone drink driving, I have lost a close friend to a drink driving incident, that in itself made me never want to risk it. I am also not condoning people that can't find a police officer willing to test them trying to wiggle out of not being responsible and drink driving. Isn't checking your BAC responsible??
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I dont see the harm in it (breath testing people who want too know there BAC) |
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