FPV GT-R spec vs HSV GTS

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by TE 220

Why are people wasting their time talking of holdens(swearword) when there is beer to drink and yummy prawns and food to smash down on this wonderful day called christmas
Merry christmas to all the ford guys/girls and holden lovers just crawl back under the rock you came out from...

Merry christmas to fans of both marques.
Both are as good as each other.

[Buntz]

To the OP. As per usual, it's just another Holden fan talking out of his tail pipe.

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

http://www.rexnet.com.au/forum/index...ton-lap-times/

There are no 335s or 325 HSVs in that lot. It was posted in 2007...

[302 XC]

i dont care how fast,faster any HSV,clubbie,GTS is , or was or could be .....
Ill never own one.

No holdens in my yard,ever,end of story

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Buntz

To the OP. As per usual, it's just another Holden fan talking out of his tail pipe.

yep I will second that. I can give credit when its due to holden. I actually don't mind the senators (hides). but I couldn't see a GTS beating a GT R spec. should buy him a chevy badge or something

[StrikeTwiceXR6]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Both are as good as each other

I wouldn't go that far

[Rodge]

As for HSV refusing to supply a car, speaks for itself and anything but the first time.

[blackf6]

I just don't see how a Supercharged GT rspec can even be compared with a naturally aspirated GTS. Same a trying to compare an Xr6t to an xr8, unfair comparisons as they are totally different beasts. That's my opinion regardless of other people's differing opinions.

[shaness8]

Have Ford even sold a GT rspec never seen 1 one the road recon only seen about 2 or 3 GT335 can't count how many GTS's i've seen.

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by teak81

I just don't see how a Supercharged GT rspec can even be compared with a naturally aspirated GTS. Same a trying to compare an Xr6t to an xr8, unfair comparisons as they are totally different beasts. That's my opinion regardless of other people's differing opinions.

The OP's mate asked for it.

Many times the XR6T and XR8 have been compared and the 6 continually beats the 8 because it is cheaper and faster. Just as the RSpec is cheaper and faster than a GTS. The FPV wins. The OP's mate has egg on his face.

How 'not different' do cars need to be in their driveline configuration before you believe we should make a comparison between them? As similar as an AMG/BMW/Audi? Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini?

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by shaness8

Have Ford even sold a GT rspec never seen 1 one the road recon only seen about 2 or 3 GT335 can't count how many GTS's i've seen.

Yep seen a few R-Specs on the road around me. A heap of GT335s (I mean "relatively speaking" for this type of car, I mean 4 or 5 regularly being seen) getting around too. About the same amount of E3 GTSs on the road around me.

Remember the E3 has been out for longer so you will see more. Actually you will always see more due to the Holden is awsome, Ford is crap, stigma that still exists in the market.

Unfortunately I cant afford one so I cant help out any with the on road numbers.

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by shaness8

Have Ford even sold a GT rspec never seen 1 one the road recon only seen about 2 or 3 GT335 can't count how many GTS's i've seen.

You need to get out more!

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by teak81

I just don't see how a Supercharged GT rspec can even be compared with a naturally aspirated GTS. Same a trying to compare an Xr6t to an xr8, unfair comparisons as they are totally different beasts. That's my opinion regardless of other people's differing opinions.

They're aimed at the same market; people seeking large, powerful V8 Sedans for 60-80k. They do the same job, for the same price for the same people, thats how they're compared. Its not Fords fault that for 80k they can do more than just order a crate motor from the states.

Originally Posted by shaness8

Have Ford even sold a GT rspec never seen 1 one the road recon only seen about 2 or 3 GT335 can't count how many GTS's i've seen.

They seem to be selling pretty well, even here in Kalgoorlie theres a couple of R-Spec Sedan's and an RSpec Ute regularly getting around. All in the black/red colours as well, which actually looks really good on the utes and not that bad on the sedans.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by teak81

I just don't see how a Supercharged GT rspec can even be compared with a naturally aspirated GTS. Same a trying to compare an Xr6t to an xr8, unfair comparisons as they are totally different beasts. That's my opinion regardless of other people's differing opinions.

honestly...do you work for HSV...and their recent opinions to the media that they dont compare themselves to Fords. What a big fat joke. It goes both ways my friend....how can a 6.2 ltre corvette engine get flogged by a 5.0sc and a 4.0t..
And when these cars all make very similiar power...why wouldnt you compare them

You light up my day with your innocent ignorance

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

honestly...do you work for HSV...and their recent opinions to the media that they dont compare themselves to Fords. What a big fat joke. It goes both ways my friend....how can a 6.2 ltre corvette engine get flogged by a 5.0sc and a 4.0t..
And when these cars all make very similiar power...why wouldnt you compare them

You light up my day with your innocent ignorance

Well as I said before and for the last time 1STUFFEDUTE In my opinion a super charger is a replacement for displacement. And if I was testing the 2 vehicles I don't think it would be fair, unless they were around the same displacement and either both supercharged or not. Even if you tested the GT against a Harrop blown HSV I would still say it would be unfair as then the HSV would have the distinct advantage of more cubic inches. Where as now the GT has the advantage by being supercharged, I just don't see how they can be fairly compared that's all.

[EVLKNEVL]

You must have missed my post. The guy WANTS a comparison between the two.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

You must have missed my post. The guy WANTS a comparison between the two.

I understood that, I don't own either vehicle so cant make an informed answer. I said my opinion that I think they are in different leagues and got shot down in flames. meh Maybe tell your mate to go down to a FPV and a HSV dealer and try the 2 out for himself?

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by teak81

Well as I said before and for the last time 1STUFFEDUTE In my opinion a super charger is a replacement for displacement. And if I was testing the 2 vehicles I don't think it would be fair, unless they were around the same displacement and either both supercharged or not. Even if you tested the GT against a Harrop blown HSV I would still say it would be unfair as then the HSV would have the distinct advantage of more cubic inches. Where as now the GT has the advantage by being supercharged, I just don't see how they can be fairly compared that's all.

The HSV has an extra 1.2 litres of displacement, that makes up for some of the super charger advantage.

People compare M Division Beemers and AMG Mercs all the time when there's a 1.8l difference between them.

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by teak81

Maybe tell your mate to go down to a FPV and a HSV dealer and try the 2 out for himself?

You mean... compare them?

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

and an RSpec Ute regularly getting around. All in the black/red colours as well, which actually looks really good on the utes and not that bad on the sedans.

Should get pics of this r spec ute, be a very rare beast indeed.

[hy_boi]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Should get pics of this r spec ute, be a very rare beast indeed.

Pic found here... http://www.caranddriver.com/photos-m...c-photo-481688

[blackf6]

I have seen a couple of the Black with red accent GT Rspecs, and at first I thought they were abit on the loud side, but now I recon they look really good. As does the FG series 2 now that they have been out for a bit and I have gotten used to them.

[Ben73]

How many times have you seen motoring journalists say car A is better than car B, but they like car B better?
GTS would probably only win due to this, Its a HOLDEN!
Personally but I would much prefer the GT, I think it's a better car.
Supercharged FTW

[shaness8]

Originally Posted by UberKnee

The HSV has an extra 1.2 litres of displacement, that makes up for some of the super charger advantage.

People compare M Division Beemers and AMG Mercs all the time when there's a 1.8l difference between them.

1.2 Litres of displacement isn't enough of an advantage when your running a blower of 1.9 ltr capacity with 10 psi of boost being shoved down its throat of 5.0 ltr quad cam 32 valve.

Poor old HSV got no hope, can't wait for the next generation of motors to come next year.

Forced induction is the way of the future.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Chopped

0-100km/h / 4.67sec
80-120km/h / 2.63sec
400m / 12.75sec (182.46km/h)

Impressive figures from an Aussie magazine.

Just had a look back on previous models and found a pattern

2012
GT R-Spec
0-100 4.67
400m 12.75

2002
T3 TE50
0-100 5.8
400m 14.0

1992
EB GT
0-100 7.3
400m 15.2

1982
XE ESP
0-100 8.9
400m 16.3

So in 2022 we can expect 0-100 in the high 3s and a 400m time in the mid 11s.

[Bossxr8]

Wether or not the GTS can beat the R spec depends on wether it has Chev badges or not, cause we all know they add at least 50kw's.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by hy_boi

Pic found here... http://www.caranddriver.com/photos-m...c-photo-481688

That's not an r spec ute.... Because there no such thing.


Even the title of the pic says it, pursuit ute and fpv r spec.....

[adz193]

Really? All of a sudden when FPV's top dog is more powerful then HSV's it becomes unfair? For the last 10 years HSV has had more kw's! Funny what happens when the tables are turned.

To the OP your mate is a flog and has no clue what he is talking about. The GTS wouldn't get close enough to even sniff the R-spec's sweet ***. Tell him to have a read on street commodores, plenty of threads on there that will tell him so.

[StrikeTwiceXR6]

Originally Posted by teak81

Well as I said before and for the last time 1STUFFEDUTE In my opinion a super charger is a replacement for displacement. And if I was testing the 2 vehicles I don't think it would be fair, unless they were around the same displacement and either both supercharged or not. Even if you tested the GT against a Harrop blown HSV I would still say it would be unfair as then the HSV would have the distinct advantage of more cubic inches. Where as now the GT has the advantage by being supercharged, I just don't see how they can be fairly compared that's all.

Funny that you say that, about a blown 6.2 litre and how it would cane the FPV blown 5 litre. Not having a go here, but have you had a read of the last two Motor Magazine Hot Tuner Contests (2011 and 2012). There were a number of 6.2 litre supercharged VE's that were sent in both 2011 and 2012 that all failed to nail the Miami blown FPV. Ford as an international brand really nailed it with this motor my friend. It's a fact!

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by shaness8

1.2 Litres of displacement isn't enough of an advantage when your running a blower of 1.9 ltr capacity with 10 psi of boost being shoved down its throat of 5.0 ltr quad cam 32 valve.

Poor old HSV got no hope, can't wait for the next generation of motors to come next year.

Forced induction is the way of the future.

But in previous models it was fair to compare the 6.2L clubby against the 5.4L GT?

As has been said, they a designed for the same market for the same use so the comparison is fair. Just like comparing a AMG C63 to a M3.

Quite simple really.

By the way, the R Spec gets my vote.