GTHO Phase 3 lovers..will cry

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by POELWYK

just found this guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpEmcuYXak

Gee, those XY GTs really had a great lower RPM exhaust sound. Most other carby V8s sound nothing like that. Wonder what the secret was?

[MrEL]

Word is they sounded so good actually by accident.
They had a 2.25 duel system I believe back to the diff , but Ford had to drop it back to a 2" system to get around the springs and keep clearances for the pipe exit.
One of the side effects was the awesome sound dude to the exhaust no being too free flowing and thong slappy.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by Streets

Love these old cars, they've got character

knowing that these old things are still getting around with all that wear and tear makes me feel better about my old cars, which are far from perfect...

proves that if you've got a good design it will still look good no matter how much rust, scratches, or dents it picks up

in fact I reckon they look better with a bit of age on them

I didn't know they had 164L tanks though!

Yep 164L of fuel sloshing around behind the rear axle wrote many of these car off.

Happen to two mates of mine and one was a HO.

[pottery beige]

you know two people with big tanked GT's that wrote their cars off because of it..

what are the chances of that ay

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by POELWYK

just found this guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpEmcuYXak

Can this mother ****** drive or what? Awesome thanks for sharing. Vencenzo, I read your first post as being sarcastic, that's the problem with forums you can get taken the wrong way.

[arronm]

Yep one in about 1984 in the wet HO. Just fuelled up. I was behind him. Young, stepped on the loud pedal ,over corrected and changed lanes, onto the other side of the road and collected two grannys.

The other was XY GT mid 90s. I wasnt there, but was told a set of S bends, flicked right then left , then into a tree.

[Super Roo 1970]

Iv never had any issues with the big tank in my HO on a track or any twisting windy roads for that matter, and I have done quite a few circuit days and longer spirited drives in the hills.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by arronm

Yep one in about 1984 in the wet HO. Just fuelled up. I was behind him. Young, stepped on the loud pedal ,over corrected and changed lanes, onto the other side of the road and collected two grannys.

The other was XY GT mid 90s. I wasnt there, but was told a set of S bends, flicked right then left , then into a tree.

i wouldnt be blaming the tank.. more so crash by misadventure..

[flappist]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

you know two people with big tanked GT's that wrote their cars off because of it..

what are the chances of that ay

164 litres of petrol weighs about 118kg. For there to be any "sloshing" the tank can not be full and while the level of sloshing increases as the tank empties the mass of the fuel and therefore any delayed inertia decreases.

A Phase 3 GTHO weighs a bit over 1500kg dry so add to that the weight of a driver which is forward of the CofG and tends to "slosh about" in corners any effect of movement of fuel aft of the CofG would negated as it would always be contra to vectors opposite the CofG.

Buy hey, why let physics get in the way of a good story.......

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

it wasn't always though, was it?

i had thought the rules were tightened up in the last 10 years or so

i think the insurance companies were given more liberties (or at least a blind eye was turned) to repair damaged gt's. there have been many stories (some on here) doing the rounds of gt's being re-birthed under insurance over the years

Always been illegal to remove compliance plates......The only legal way to "re-birth" a car is going through a heap of gov't red tape....This is how insurance companies did it.

IMA, a re-birthed car isn't an original....it's only been recently (last 15 years or so), that people have really wised up to the old tricks when it comes to collectables like GT's and how to tell it's a dinky and not a re-birth.....

[FERG_51]

Originally Posted by TC200six

Gee, those XY GTs really had a great lower RPM exhaust sound. Most other carby V8s sound nothing like that. Wonder what the secret was?

4V Clevo's allways had a different sound, i think the 4V heads had a bit to do with it.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by FERG_51

4V Clevo's allways had a different sound, i think the 4V heads had a bit to do with it.

^^^^ This 4V heads have a different sound, then they also had a different cam.

PS love how everyone has a mate that had a XY GT HO that they wrote off, yet there is still thousands of XY GT HO's around when only 300 were made

Most stories that I have checked out where a mate of a mate had a genuine HO stored in his garage turned out to be rusty Falcon 500's, sometimes a Fairmont, never a GT or a HO

[Vincenzo]

So, as a summary of this thread we have the following;

- around 300 Ho's were made (phase 111)

- over time, a large number have succumbed to rust and or damage etc

- there is a big difference between a "GT" and a "GTHO"

- some like their "HO's" restored

- a surprising number like an original that has been used for it's created purpose, battle scars and all

- South African GT's are not GTHO's (were any SA vehicles HO's?)

- people get annoyed by those who won't sell their vehicles but will not spend the money to look after them (letting the vehicle die a slow agonising death and not allowing others to bring it back to health)

I have driven a "Phase 111" around the block and been given a longer ride in one as passenger. I have also been passenger in a pale Blue "Phase 11" driven hard. For me, the "Phase 11" left a greater impression in absolute rawness.

Cheers Vincenzo

[nb_351]

What pale blue did the xw phase 2 come in? Starlight blue or electric blue I would call neither pale blue
Not to discount your story as i wasn't there
But I believe the same thing that the phase 2 was a more raw machine can't say I've been in one though

[wodahs]

ill put my hand up and say ive never seen a gtho written off or ridden in one
and also with the fact of rebuilt personally would prefer an original but well looked after one first but if had the money prob wouldn't be as fussy

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

So, as a summary of this thread we have the following;

- around 300 Ho's were made (phase 111)

- over time, a large number have succumbed to rust and or damage etc

- there is a big difference between a "GT" and a "GTHO"

- some like their "HO's" restored

- a surprising number like an original that has been used for it's created purpose, battle scars and all

- South African GT's are not GTHO's (were any SA vehicles HO's?)

- people get annoyed by those who won't sell their vehicles but will not spend the money to look after them (letting the vehicle die a slow agonising death and not allowing others to bring it back to health)

I have driven a "Phase 111" around the block and been given a longer ride in one as passenger. I have also been passenger in a pale Blue "Phase 11" driven hard. For me, the "Phase 11" left a greater impression in absolute rawness.

Cheers Vincenzo

What was the quote?

Something like "Of the 300 originally made only 600 survive....."

[nb_351]

And everyone knows a family member who owned one or has it in a shed somewhere

[flappist]

I was obviously not that clear in post 60.

DO NOT CONTINUE ON THE SUBJECT OF REBIRTHING OR COMMENT ABOUT OTHERS' PREVIOUS POSTS ON IT.

[jamies]

I still don't think you can beat the sound of a 4V clevo being wound out. Staring out over the shaker and sitting in those big bucket seats.. The XY GT just screams tough. Pity I just can't afford one *sigh*.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

^^^^ This 4V heads have a different sound, then they also had a different cam.

PS love how everyone has a mate that had a XY GT HO that they wrote off, yet there is still thousands of XY GT HO's around when only 300 were made

Most stories that I have checked out where a mate of a mate had a genuine HO stored in his garage turned out to be rusty Falcon 500's, sometimes a Fairmont, never a GT or a HO

This was 1984 and XY GTs weren't that much of a big deal.
No problem, next time I will keep my comments to myself.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by nb_351

And everyone knows a family member who owned one or has it in a shed somewhere

I do, sheep skin rugs and all. but I havent seen them or the cars since I as a Kid, as well as a few Mustangs, 66 Galaxy and a Ranchero ute, my favorite was the 1970 429 Boss.

[OLD BALDY]

I had an XW GT, last one made! It was pale blue called diamond white! Bought it new now 74, maybe memory not 100%!!!!

[RedHotGT]

Here's a Pale Blue XW GT PH2.
One of Two.

[FERG_51]

Ahh the old GT,s stir up the emotions dont they, thats just how good they were/are. The legend lives on and so will the stories, ill keep boring my mates to death just like grandpa did about the Cusso's lol.

[RedHotGT]

Maybe the GT discussion is 'Red Hot' today (pardon the pun) because of the GT Nationals that has just passed by.

My opinion of any car - be it GT or not - is that original (the correct meaning) is best, and restoration is a last resort.

The Grandpa's axe analogy is brilliant and spot on. Sure it's original, but i've replaced the handle 4 times and the head 3 times.... but it's my original axe.......

Whilst it is nice to see a restored car at a show etc... It could have been built yesterday. How much of the car is STILL as it was from 1971. Sure, there is a market for restoring cars, and i'm not trying to take away anything from those companies that reproduce and restore amazing examples of these cars... But the 'real' originals are the best. Full Stop.

The true 'original' cars are untouched. They've Survived. And when you see those kind of cars, it is truely astonishing.

You can restore a car today, or tomorrow.... but you can't unrestore it.

The amount of stories i've heard from people over the years who knew someone who's brothers nextdoor neighbors uncle had a HO... it's incredible.......

And I understand why people get caught up in them emotionally and passionately... they are cars that bring out those sort of feelings.... Both for the love and admiration that they've earned over the years, as well as their value.

My pet hate is the incorrect and overuse of the word original.... Because so many people have been getting it so wrong for so long........ But it's as difficult as stopping the youth of today from saying "like, you know" and "whatever"....

The Bushmans GT story is well documented, as is the Dunlop XY. I just look forward to more of these stories emerging - as it always amazes me that these cars can lay in wait for so long........

I just wish there was a good way of telling the stories on a more official basis......

[jamies]

One of my best mates has a mint XY GT he paid $30k for it 15 odd years ago. I can remember us all saying gee thats alot of money. My mate was saying yeah but I always wanted one.... lets fast forward to 2013 ha ha. but the funny thing is he sold an immaculate XY vermillion fire replica for $44k a few years ago. Ahhhh the irony of it all.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

PS love how everyone has a mate that had a XY GT HO that they wrote off, yet there is still thousands of XY GT HO's around when only 300 were made

Most stories that I have checked out where a mate of a mate had a genuine HO stored in his garage turned out to be rusty Falcon 500's, sometimes a Fairmont, never a GT or a HO

Yep, heard a heap of stories myself.

But I'm not always so dimissive due to my own story.

Dad ruined a XW GT (Phase 1 / Windsor) while towing a trailer.
Trailer wheel grabbed the edge of the bitumen (newish road) and twisted over, flipping the car at the same time. Roof was squashed and once he got it back on all 4 he drove it home with no windscreen. The story I always get to hear is about the red eyes and sore neck.

I have pics but they are on tiny slides

He replaced it with a Reef Green Phase 2.

He now drives a diesel Santa Fe


BTW, I love reading these stories about the survivors, I've read the Bushman and Old Red pages a number of times now and still love 'em.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

So, as a summary of this thread we have the following;

- around 300 Ho's were made (phase 111)

- over time, a large number have succumbed to rust and or damage etc

- there is a big difference between a "GT" and a "GTHO"

- some like their "HO's" restored

- a surprising number like an original that has been used for it's created purpose, battle scars and all

- South African GT's are not GTHO's (were any SA vehicles HO's?)

- people get annoyed by those who won't sell their vehicles CHEAP SO THEY THEM SELVES CAN ON SELL FOR A TIDY PROFIT

Fixed

[Vincenzo]

Originally Posted by nb_351

What pale blue did the xw phase 2 come in? Starlight blue or electric blue I would call neither pale blue ....Not to discount your story as i wasn't there ....But I believe the same thing that the phase 2 was a more raw machine can't say I've been in one though

It was 20 odd years ago and the day of my Father's funeral. Mum's brother picked me up and took me for a ride. Memory makes me think it was like a Blueprint blue but not metallic. Had a look on Wikipedia and Electric Blue seems about right. Perhaps rawness is not quite the right word but brutish in it's power delivery is more likely.

Don't know if he still has it but he races Camaros in the Qld Trans Am series.

Cheers Vincenzo

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

It was 20 odd years ago and the day of my Father's funeral. Mum's brother picked me up and took me for a ride. Memory makes me think it was like a Blueprint blue but not metallic. Had a look on Wikipedia and Electric Blue seems about right. Perhaps rawness is not quite the right word but brutish in it's power delivery is more likely.

Don't know if he still has it but he races Camaros in the Qld Trans Am series.

Cheers Vincenzo

Could have been starlight Blue,

Here,

http://australianmusclecarsales.com....starlight-blue