VFACTS October 2013 - Page 3

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

If they are so good at selling cars why have their sales dropped year after year for the last decade or so. They are getting beaten by their competition left and right in terms of sales numbers, and it makes it even worse when they have superior vehicles than what their rivals outsell them with.

Focus, the highest selling car in the world, and they can't even get it into the monthly top 10 sellers here, as an example.

Ford are doing very well globally but they could be doing much better here.

Ford has the 1st and 3rd best selling cars in the world. Focus and ftrucks. If you don't get it.......(as to why we only get certain allocation of imports on extremely wanted cars worldwide).......then you probably never will get it!
They are global cars....that are imported....under huge demand! We're lucky our small market even gets them!!!!

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

This is more the issue. Ford are in la la land with pricing hence the pathatic kuga number too. You reckon they would have learned from the previous model kuga wouldnt you. Not Ford, thats why they are where they are. Love the products not so the people that pitch it to the public.

Why is pricing a problem when the car is selling every unit they get.....and that's not mentioning how long it's been out now too. They don't need to do deals

. If you think they are expensive....go get a quote on an Amarok.

Joe5619 · 06-11-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Ford has the 1st and 3rd best selling cars in the world. Focus and ftrucks. If you don't get it.......(as to why we only get certain allocation of imports on extremely wanted cars worldwide).......then you probably never will get it!
They are global cars....that are imported....under huge demand! We're lucky our small market even gets them!!!!

Ford has the best selling global car that does not even crack the 10 in Australia. Sorry, this is not good enough on Ford Australia's behalf. It is up to Ford Australia to fight for a better global allocation, it is up to Ford Australia to demand the supply issues be sorted.

Ford's entire range will be import only soon. So having the attitude of "we are lucky to even get what we get” would be a very poor one to have IMO.

SumoDog68 · 06-11-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Ford has the best selling global car that does not even crack the 10 in Australia. Sorry, this is not good enough on Ford Australia's behalf. It is up to Ford Australia to fight for a better global allocation, it is up to Ford Australia to demand the supply issues be sorted.

Ford's entire range will be import only soon. So having the attitude of "we are lucky to even get what we get” would be a very poor one to have IMO.

There is some disagreement on what is the best selling car in the world - Focus is best the selling nameplate but once all alternative Corolla names are included Corolla is the best selling car.
Regardless of what worlds best sellers are , Australia is a very different market in which models are positioned and priced differently to other markets.

HSVKILLA · 06-11-2013, 11:02 AM

2013 year to date sales here in nz is

Ford-----9921
Holden---9287

Syndrome · 06-11-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

2013 year to date sales here in nz is

Ford-----9921
Holden---9287

The Ford brand is not as toxic in NZ as it is here.

Mad_Pom · 06-11-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

There is some disagreement on what is the best selling car in the world - Focus is best the selling nameplate but once all alternative Corolla names are included Corolla is the best selling car.
Regardless of what worlds best sellers are , Australia is a very different market in which models are positioned and priced differently to other markets.

I believe ford is very specific in saying it has the best selling name plate in the world "Focus" The Corolla as a vehicle sells more cars but is sold under 2 different name plates.

Lies, Dam Lies and Statistics - people can make data say whatever they want

Road_Warrior · 06-11-2013, 01:48 PM

Falcon had a good month. In fact Falcon had a great month, compared with most of this year:

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The Ford Falcon sedan (1076) had its best month since June, taking it to 8159 sales for the year (down 30.4 per cent), giving it some hope of eclipsing 10,000 units in 2013.

The Territory (1114) again outsold the Falcon last month, and is just 7.3 per cent off 2012’s pace at 11,553 year-to-date.

Focus 1432

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – October 2013

Toyota Corolla – 3861
Mazda 3 – 3613
Holden Commodore – 3315
Toyota HiLux – 3172
Hyundai i30 – 2379
Toyota Camry – 2251
Ford Ranger – 2027
Nissan Navara – 1969
Volkswagen Golf – 1967
Holden Cruze – 1923

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2013 to date

Toyota Corolla – 35,900
Mazda 3 – 34,394
Toyota HiLux – 33,089
Hyundai i30 – 24,878
Holden Commodore – 22,121
Holden Cruze – 21,113
Nissan Navara – 20,695
Mitsubishi Triton – 19,788
Toyota Camry – 18,951
Ford Ranger – 18,097

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – October 2013 (growth over October 2012)

Toyota – 18,129 (-2.4 per cent)
Holden – 10,528 (+2.8 per cent)
Hyundai – 8130 (+7.3 per cent)
Mazda – 7967 (+3.0 per cent)
Ford – 7486 (-10.7 per cent)
Nissan – 5286 (-20.7 per cent)
Mitsubishi – 5071 (-4.9 per cent)
Volkswagen – 4910 (-11.7 per cent)
Subaru – 2860 (-10.7 per cent)
Kia – 2529 (-15.0 per cent)

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2013 to date (growth over 2012 to date)

Toyota – 176,922 (-0.4 per cent)
Holden – 92,432 (-3.3 per cent)
Mazda – 86,219 (+0.7 per cent)
Hyundai – 80,729 (+6.2 per cent)
Ford – 72,450 (-2.5 per cent)
Nissan – 64,746 (-1.0 per cent)
Mitsubishi – 59,674 (+19.9 per cent)
Volkswagen – 45,240 (-1.2 per cent)
Honda – 34,112 (+21.0 per cent)
Subaru – 32,308 (-4.9 per cent)

naddis01 · 06-11-2013, 02:51 PM

What has driven Mitsubishi's 20% YTD increase? Surely not just smashing Triton's price.

vztrt · 06-11-2013, 03:34 PM

Wonder what Falcon ute sold.

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Ford has the best selling global car that does not even crack the 10 in Australia. Sorry, this is not good enough on Ford Australia's behalf. It is up to Ford Australia to fight for a better global allocation, it is up to Ford Australia to demand the supply issues be sorted.

Ford's entire range will be import only soon. So having the attitude of "we are lucky to even get what we get” would be a very poor one to have IMO.

I'm sure ford Australia give it a red hot go. It isn't just taking play dough of other kids you know. It's global supply of cars in high demand.A tad more technical then your making out. Demanding won't just make it happen if your selling way down the food chain.
And they have new plant and plant upgrades so I'm not sure id call that doing nothing for the global models. It can't be done over night. Like i said.....at least they're selling all they make without having to gouge the price to move them. And they've been on the market along time now.
That's the benifits of building near, if not best in class cars. Although it's not helping the falcon

Smoke Pursuit · 06-11-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I'm sure ford Australia give it a red hot go. It isn't just taking play dough of other kids you know. It's global supply of cars in high demand.A tad more technical then your making out. Demanding won't just make it happen if your selling way down the food chain.
And they have new plant and plant upgrades so I'm not sure id call that doing nothing for the global models. It can't be done over night. Like i said.....at least they're selling all they make without having to gouge the price to move them. And they've been on the market along time now.
That's the benifits of building near, if not best in class cars. Although it's not helping the falcon

Any ex ford employees you talk to (i know a few) comment on how poorly the business is ran internally... Head office is like a fish bowl.

Even Ford know this with recent comments they have made about customer service and moving forward as an importer only. I sure hope they pick their act up because without Falcon and Territory some dealers will go broke, dealerships are built on volume not profit.

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Any ex ford employees you talk to (i know a few) comment on how poorly the business is ran internally... Head office is like a fish bowl.

Even Ford know this with recent comments they have made about customer service and moving forward as an importer only. I sure hope they pick their act up because without Falcon and Territory some dealers will go broke, dealerships are built on volume not profit.

I'd rather they stick there heads in a fish bowl and leave aus then lie about how many people they are dismissing, like Holden have. Quoting figures...then the next week secretly firing half that again. Very dirty. And holing the gov to ransom.
And ford doesn't really have a choice the way it's run with most dealers.....the government has left them hanging. Despite the clear monetary benifits of local carmanufacturing. It's the dealers job to make their end work! We here a lot more unnescesary dealer problems then we ever hear about unnescesary ford problems.
It'd be nice to see some dealers step up the quality though.

Gadgetman · 06-11-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Why is pricing a problem when the car is selling every unit they get.....and that's not mentioning how long it's been out now too. They don't need to do deals

. If you think they are expensive....go get a quote on an Amarok.

Are you saying the kuga isnt expensive. It's a great car with great features, It looks great etc. Problem is the Ford branding of the car in australia is why they are good for only 300 units per month and the direct rival being cx5 is around 1500 per month. The brand devalues the car!

Gadgetman · 06-11-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I'd rather they stick there heads in a fish bowl and leave aus then lie about how many people they are dismissing, like Holden have. Quoting figures...then the next week secretly firing half that again. Very dirty. And holing the gov to ransom.
And ford doesn't really have a choice the way it's run with most dealers.....the government has left them hanging. Despite the clear monetary benifits of local carmanufacturing. It's the dealers job to make their end work! We here a lot more unnescesary dealer problems then we ever hear about unnescesary ford problems.
It'd be nice to see some dealers step up the quality though.

yup and whose exit method is best to their dealers and their future sales volume? Ford made it look like a wise business decision on thier behalf whereas Holden looked as if they went down swinging doing everything it could including asking the govt for funding. Nett result, the masses will probably think that the govt let Holden down whereas ford just bailed cause it made more financial sense to do so. Dont get me wrong here, Holden will suffer from sales loss but no where near where Ford have and will continue at least till 2016. There is one Ford Head office and over 220+ Ford dealers operated by different individuals. Cant blame the dealer network on this one mate cause alot of these Ford dealers have other brands such as AHG and Ford appears to be the only one they struggle to make a quid out of. BTW, just how well informed are you?

Smoke Pursuit · 06-11-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I'd rather they stick there heads in a fish bowl and leave aus then lie about how many people they are dismissing, like Holden have. Quoting figures...then the next week secretly firing half that again. Very dirty. And holing the gov to ransom.
And ford doesn't really have a choice the way it's run with most dealers.....the government has left them hanging. Despite the clear monetary benifits of local carmanufacturing. It's the dealers job to make their end work! We here a lot more unnescesary dealer problems then we ever hear about unnescesary ford problems.
It'd be nice to see some dealers step up the quality though.

How can the dealers make it work when they can't supply anything anyone wants?

XLT Auto rangers a good example, its taken 2 years to sort supply of them out, and theres still people waiting.

Fiesta ST, 1 each quarter for every capital dealer. How the **** do you advertise and make that work?

Alot of the problems here is head office, the poor old dealers are the ones who cop most of the ****!

If you ask me Fords early exit plan was nothing other then a stunt. Ask anyone in the industry what they think, all its done has cause more uncertainty over the next 2 years while they fumble to bring out a new Falcon and MKII Territory.

XR Martin · 06-11-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

If you ask me Fords early exit plan was nothing other then a stunt. Ask anyone in the industry what they think, all its done has cause more uncertainty over the next 2 years while they fumble to bring out a new Falcon and MKII Territory.

I actually think it was smart.
The media is now leaving Ford alone regarding closure.
To Ford, the Falcon is now like that sick dog that they hope will just wander off and die quietly. Rather than being kicked to death infront of everyone like it had been.

bigwil · 06-11-2013, 06:46 PM

Are HSV sales included in commodore sales?

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

Are you saying the kuga isnt expensive. It's a great car with great features, It looks great etc. Problem is the Ford branding of the car in australia is why they are good for only 300 units per month and the direct rival being cx5 is around 1500 per month. The brand devalues the car!

I never mentioned kuga....even ford said it was going to overprice it here till the new model as they weren't getting the popular variants. We were talking about FOCUS, and by extension f trucks...although not sold here.

burnz · 06-11-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bigwil

Are HSV sales included in commodore sales?

no.......................

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetman

yup and whose exit method is best to their dealers and their future sales volume? Ford made it look like a wise business decision on thier behalf whereas Holden looked as if they went down swinging doing everything it could including asking the govt for funding. Nett result, the masses will probably think that the govt let Holden down whereas ford just bailed cause it made more financial sense to do so. Dont get me wrong here, Holden will suffer from sales loss but no where near where Ford have and will continue at least till 2016. There is one Ford Head office and over 220+ Ford dealers operated by different individuals. Cant blame the dealer network on this one mate cause alot of these Ford dealers have other brands such as AHG and Ford appears to be the only one they struggle to make a quid out of. BTW, just how well informed are you?

Umm a hell of a lot more informed then you....if you think Holden going out swinging....lieing about firing people...giving them no warning, holding the gov to ransom despite their own export deals failing miserably despite this being a prerequisite for their money in the first place, is a good buissiness model

. Do you not read anything? Or you would know all this. And more.
And I never blamed the dealers...but they have to deal with it.....aswell as deal with the problems they cause themselves as shonky dealers.....something we hear all the time.
And ford has lost less sales then Holden ytd.....despite announcing closing locally in a few years.

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

How can the dealers make it work when they can't supply anything anyone wants?

XLT Auto rangers a good example, its taken 2 years to sort supply of them out, and theres still people waiting.

Fiesta ST, 1 each quarter for every capital dealer. How the **** do you advertise and make that work?

Alot of the problems here is head office, the poor old dealers are the ones who cop most of the ****!

If you ask me Fords early exit plan was nothing other then a stunt. Ask anyone in the industry what they think, all its done has cause more uncertainty over the next 2 years while they fumble to bring out a new Falcon and MKII Territory.

Give me a break man! For starters they don't just sell fords.
Secondly it can't be that bad when the ranger is still top ten and making good money.....just because the supply is not ideal....it's still moving in good numbers. Try being a dealer brand with no top ten cars.....then come back and whinge.
You talk like ford is about to collapse. If you look at the figures.....it supports that ford is maintaining its share of the market and tends to drop and rise at the same levels as Holden. But ford has always had a smaller share.
But as you'd agree...with big omen ant change...and the state of the industry here.....you'd be daft to think it would be all bells n whistles at any brands headquarters.

MrZ · 06-11-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

no.......................

Um, yes they are.

bigwil · 06-11-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Um, yes they are.

Great now im confused.

Mercury 8 · 06-11-2013, 07:57 PM

What percentage of Australian sales does Ford hold at present? I remember a few years back when (things were a bit more upbeat)and they were aiming high and I think they were looking at 13 % of Australian market if my memory serves right.

FacultY · 06-11-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigwil

Great now im confused.

Yea HSV is included. However Ute isnt.

Would be interesting to see Commodore Ute sales. Commodore may have been top seller with Ute combined.

XR Martin · 06-11-2013, 08:46 PM

So where do we picture Ford in 2017?

Loosing Falcon, Territory and Ute is atleast 2500 sales so that would put them 7th, possibly 8th.

But then we can add...

Mustang? 300-500 a month if priced properly
Everest? 500-1000 maybe?
Ecosport? Couple of hundred?
Territory replacement? 1000?

What else? new Transits probably wont add much?
So in reality Ford are going to be in the same position in 4 years than they are now I suspect? Assuming other brands dont get more popular

Brazen · 06-11-2013, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FacultY

Yea HSV is included. However Ute isnt.

Would be interesting to see Commodore Ute sales. Commodore may have been top seller with Ute combined.

Holden Ute was 615. Total Commodore sales 3930 for the month. Not sure what Caprice was.

Aurion was 599, don't know Falcon Ute.

1TUFFUTE · 06-11-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

So where do we picture Ford in 2017?

Loosing Falcon, Territory and Ute is atleast 2500 sales so that would put them 7th, possibly 8th.

But then we can add...

Mustang? 300-500 a month if priced properly
Everest? 500-1000 maybe?
Ecosport? Couple of hundred?
Territory replacement? 1000?

What else? new Transits probably wont add much?
So in reality Ford are going to be in the same position in 4 years than they are now I suspect? Assuming other brands dont get more popular

I would have thought mustang and ecosport could be a fair bit higher then those numbers. Lots of market movement from now till then tho....

Windsor220 · 06-11-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Ford has the best selling global car that does not even crack the 10 in Australia. Sorry, this is not good enough on Ford Australia's behalf. It is up to Ford Australia to fight for a better global allocation, it is up to Ford Australia to demand the supply issues be sorted.

Ford's entire range will be import only soon. So having the attitude of "we are lucky to even get what we get” would be a very poor one to have IMO.

Focus is a best seller through weight of numbers. For all we know it is sold in more countries than any other car.