No guarantees falcon here to 2016 and mustang relesaed a year early in 2015

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by FormulaFG

As a potential buyer of an FH (albeit maybe a pipe dream) what I'm hearing as I read that is the product is not going to be very good or well supported.

Have I got that right? Should I not buy one?

The "product" is not disclosed.......secret..... There is no concrete information and subject to total speculation, yet you have already decided it is "not....very good" ??????

What is your IQ?

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by FormulaFG

As a potential buyer of an FH (albeit maybe a pipe dream) what I'm hearing as I read that is the product is not going to be very good or well supported.

Have I got that right? Should I not buy one?

I can't see it it being a market leader in refinement, no, but i would still love to grab an XR8 if the price is right

[FormulaFG]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

The "product" is not disclosed.......secret..... There is no concrete information and subject to total speculation, yet you have already decided it is "not....very good" ??????

What is your IQ?

My IQ???? Have you read my post?

Where the hell did I say it wasn't very good?

I have not decided anything yet. When I read a post from a guy who works on the floor saying "you get out what you put in, which Ford are showing will be zero" that doesn't fill me with confidence in dropping $40 - $50K on a new car especially if it might be a lemon.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by FormulaFG

My IQ???? Have you read my post?

Where the hell did I say it wasn't very good?

I have not decided anything yet. When I read a post from a guy who works on the floor saying "you get out what you put in, which Ford are showing will be zero" that doesn't fill me with confidence in dropping $40 - $50K on a new car especially if it might be a lemon.

He's talking about the level of development put into the car, not how it will be built.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

See you're assuming the locals got a call to be informed they would have to close. They already knew that part, they just found out when they had to shut down. And frankly why should anyone at FoMoCo give a stuff about Holden. Letting their own workers know asap and end the anxiety of what the future held was far more important then helping poor old Holden and VF.

Do you think Holden has handled it any better, begging for Fed funds, then when that wasn't forthcoming they pull up shop. The same mob that received more then Toyota and Ford combined in the last 10 years. Maybe if Holden didn't get the extra cash, they couldn't have offered the level of discounts on their cars which directly hurt their opposition. VF sales haven't saved Holden from staying and Ford's decision to close didn't affect Holden in any way apart from being second to taking the tough decision. Do you honestly think waiting 48hours or even a week would have any effect on VF launch or sales.

If the people at Ford didn't care about the effect on Holden, why did Graziano ring and apologise?

It doesn't matter what I think, all that matters is what the general buying public and the workers at the respective manufacturers think.

As it stands today Ford are building 500 units a month, Holden are producing 4000 units. The production line at Ford is barely moving, At Holden they are getting overtime.
Wether Holden went about it right or not is irrelevant, what they have done is support their product and workforce and that is irrefutable.

I ask of you, how would waiting 48hrs have caused the Ford workforce any further hardship?
waiting 48hrs to make an announcement when you plan on giving 1000 days notice is hardly going to make a difference in the long run.
It would be no different to announcing shutdown on the September 29th 2016 as opposed to the 1st of October 2016.

Lets hear from the members who work at Ford, what would they prefer, badge allegiance aside.
Would they prefer to work for an employer that has rolled over and died, or one that is still pumping out enough units to keep its entire current workforce in work.

Stop looking at it through rose coloured glasses, its no longer about badges, its about which employer is standing by its Aussie workforce and the answer to that is undeniably evident.

The only thing Ford have done is appeared to care, when in fact, despite the 3 year plan, they will quite likely fold well before the opposition.

Talk is cheap, proof is in the pudding.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Ford are building more then 500 cars a month. Its more like 1800.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Ford are building more then 500 cars a month. Its more like 1800.

I was thinking only falcon at the time, but then I was factoring in the Cruze for Holden too so I stand corrected.

The Commodore component still smashes the Falcon 5 to 1.

Look, don't get the wrong idea, I am a enthusiast who leans heavily towards the blue team, but im also a realist and view the business decision/tactics surrounding this situation and I can tell you, Holden may be morally wrong, but ask their employees, and I do weekly, and they are very upbeat about what has happened.
On the other hand we have members here who work for Ford and were very upbeat upon the initial decision and have since, clearly lost confidence by the tone of some recent posts, if my interpretation is correct.

What has happened at Holden is relevant to me as they are in my backyard and I socialise with past and present staff and management at plant level.
When you know your job is gone and there's nothing you can do about it, survival kicks in and you milk it for all its worth.

[Sorted]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

What sell more Falcons ???

That wont happen unless they sack there entire Marketing Management "team".

Ford expects to be Australia’s largest auto employer by 2018; plans to hire about 20 marketing professionals this year, begins recruiting university graduates for jobs in 2015

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11414963

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by FormulaFG

As a potential buyer of an FH (albeit maybe a pipe dream) what I'm hearing as I read that is the product is not going to be very good or well supported.

Have I got that right? Should I not buy one?

They still need to meet post-sale requirements, you'll still be able to buy spare parts for them.


Even Mitsubishi still build parts here...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FormulaFG

As a potential buyer of an FH (albeit maybe a pipe dream) what I'm hearing as I read that is the product is not going to be very good or well supported.

Have I got that right? Should I not buy one?

Originally Posted by FormulaFG

My IQ???? Have you read my post?

Where the hell did I say it wasn't very good?

I have not decided anything yet. When I read a post from a guy who works on the floor saying "you get out what you put in, which Ford are showing will be zero" that doesn't fill me with confidence in dropping $40 - $50K on a new car especially if it might be a lemon.

When I said that I was referring to sales, marketing and promotion of the new model, not anything else. They will still be built the same way and parts supplies will continue long after it is gone. If anything quality should be improved as there is plenty of time to make sure everything is right before it leaves the factory, and there has been a bigger effort to ensure it is right before it does.

Just that Ford will do next to nothing to promote actually selling the thing.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If the people at Ford didn't care about the effect on Holden, why did Graziano ring and apologise?

It doesn't matter what I think, all that matters is what the general buying public and the workers at the respective manufacturers think.

As it stands today Ford are building 500 units a month, Holden are producing 4000 units. The production line at Ford is barely moving, At Holden they are getting overtime.
Wether Holden went about it right or not is irrelevant, what they have done is support their product and workforce and that is irrefutable.

I ask of you, how would waiting 48hrs have caused the Ford workforce any further hardship?
waiting 48hrs to make an announcement when you plan on giving 1000 days notice is hardly going to make a difference in the long run.
It would be no different to announcing shutdown on the September 29th 2016 as opposed to the 1st of October 2016.

Lets hear from the members who work at Ford, what would they prefer, badge allegiance aside.
Would they prefer to work for an employer that has rolled over and died, or one that is still pumping out enough units to keep its entire current workforce in work.

Stop looking at it through rose coloured glasses, its no longer about badges, its about which employer is standing by its Aussie workforce and the answer to that is undeniably evident.

The only thing Ford have done is appeared to care, when in fact, despite the 3 year plan, they will quite likely fold well before the opposition.

Talk is cheap, proof is in the pudding.

I asked why should Ford care, I didn't state that Ford had no consideration to it's opposition as clearly they did by calling beforehand.

I ask of you, how would waiting 48hrs have caused the Ford workforce any further hardship?

This is my thought: Going public asap before it leaked out was the only way to go. And it would have leaked out. Imagine the backlash if some skunk in the media got wind, or it's announced on the Rumour File on 3AW and then Ford had to come out and confirm it, the bad press and PR would have been far worse then what eventuated and their workforce would have been even more upset/angry hearing it from their bosses after it got out in the media. Or if for the umpteenth time the US brass are harassed by the local press asking when did you decide to close the Aust. ops and it gets out that is was 6 months before the staff/public found out.
There is no "good way" and I personally feel when you have no positive news to give it's better to set out the facts asap and be totally honest.

Just to continue the reasonable discussion, maybe I could ask you: If you are a Ford worker and found out that Ford Aust held over their closure announcement for a week, or a month even, so Holden could have clear air for their VF launch how would you feel?...I'd be bloody angry.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Just to continue the reasonable discussion, maybe I could ask you: If you are a Ford worker and found out that Ford Aust held over their closure announcement for a week, or a month even, so Holden could have clear air for their VF launch how would you feel?...I'd be bloody angry.

Hang on, we've gone from 48hrs to a week or a month.

Personally I couldn't care less, if my jobs gone my jobs gone, nothing I can do about it.
As for finding out a month later, at least its 30 less sleepless nights to overcome.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Hang on, we've gone from 48hrs to a week or a month.

Personally I couldn't care less, if my jobs gone my jobs gone, nothing I can do about it.
As for finding out a month later, at least its 30 less sleepless nights to overcome.

You're lucky you feel that way, some will feel even more stress knowing their job is gone, some will feel relief that the speculation ends. One thing is certain, car manufacturing won't ever come back, sadly. And I'm trying to see how I can get away with buying the next G6ET.

[FalconXV]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

You're lucky you feel that way, some will feel even more stress knowing their job is gone, some will feel relief that the speculation ends. One thing is certain, car manufacturing won't ever come back, sadly. And I'm trying to see how I can get away with buying the next G6ET.

I dunno. If the supplier network can remain strong after they go, whats to say there won't be another startup of some kind. Not a foreign owned one. Especially with the advent of 3D printing. Though i suspect the component suppliers plea for assistance will also fall on deaf ears. Oh well nice to dream...

[csv8]

Tonight on 11, Burn Notice & Sons of Anarchy, there was 7 Holden ads !! 7 !! Cruze, SUV Family and Colorado...Ford nil, nada, not a one.!!!! So sad !!

[BHDOGS]

People need to let the advertisement go it didnt save holden and it wont save ford

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by csv8

Tonight on 11, Burn Notice & Sons of Anarchy, there was 7 Holden ads !! 7 !! Cruze, SUV Family and Colorado...Ford nil, nada, not a one.!!!! So sad !!

In Melb. I've heard radio ads for Ford on upto 3 sations, am & fm for over 3 months constantly and regularly. Should say I watched S of A and didn't notice one ad, switched off instantly until the show returned, lol,

[csv8]

Vic tv must have different ads to QLD ???

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by csv8

Vic tv must have different ads to QLD ???

Sorry, I meant whatever ads did play I honestly cannot say I remember what was shown, could have been Holden or flights on a rocket ship....just didn't register. Plus I'm still recovering from the prison scene, first time I've watched S 0f A. .

[MAGPIE]

The Territory ad is getting heaps of airtime in NZ currently, shame it is so annoying, they should have just redone the original one.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by csv8

Tonight on 11, Burn Notice & Sons of Anarchy, there was 7 Holden ads !! 7 !! Cruze, SUV Family and Colorado...Ford nil, nada, not a one.!!!! So sad !!

I don't think that any of the cars I ever bought were advertised on TV . Does tv advertising work ? For me - no but I accept it might work for some categories of cars and population .

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by csv8

Vic tv must have different ads to QLD ???

Yes, advertising is divvied up by region. It's not national.

I don't watch much tv but I catch Ford ads fairly often. Fair few Ford 'testimonial' ads on the radio too here in Vic.

[Smoke Pursuit]

I have been seeing a fair amount of Ecosport advertising in QLD.

Ford is still advertising, just not Falcon. This is no suprise considering they are transitioning to importer only status.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Ford is still advertising, just not Falcon. This is no suprise considering they are transitioning to importer only status.

Exactly!
With the advent of PVR's, more and more people don't even watch TV adds anyway.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Sorry, I meant whatever ads did play I honestly cannot say I remember what was shown, could have been Holden or flights on a rocket ship....just didn't register. Plus I'm still recovering from the prison scene, first time I've watched S 0f A. .

SOA brilliant !! waaay better than any reality crap show...the dvd's and watch from season 1. The series in Ireland is great!!!

[EDManual]

I havn't watched commercial tv for about 4 years now! I don't see any ads :-)

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

If FH does not sell more than 1,000 a month, they will pull the plug early.

Seeing as a full month will see 500 utes and sedans don't see it happening.