What do you consider to be a fast 400m time?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

People that claim their 9 second cars are street cars... Do they think im born yesterday?

So the 9 second trim is the exact same configuration as run on the track? as grandma drives kids to school?

At the track running 9s...no weight saving, no slicks, using pump fuel, baby seat, floor mats, glove box full of cd's, street tune??

No need to get into this debate again on what constitutes a street car. Read the topic again. Does Not mention street ...... just what is fast.

12 seconds is massively quick for an off the shelf.

10 seconds in something like a 70's Landau ....... now thats white knuckled and totally addictive stupid fun! They were never meant to hit 200kph, especially in such a short time. Power steering becomes a little light and touchy and the brakes make it more fun at the end. I dont know if driving something a bit more aerodynamically modern would be as sphincter puckering

A 9 second XW vs a 2 tonne 10 sec Landau. 0-100 in a coupla seconds They always look slower in a video!

[XR6_661]

I guess if it scares the **** out of you it's probably fairly quick....

[johnydep]

I'm noticing a few rounding off of times. When comparing race times (400m times is racing), a hundredth of a second can make all the difference.

If my car runs a 12.9, I can not legitimately go out and tell everyone that I have a 12 second car. It's either a 12.9 or a 13 second 400m car.

Same with 9.9 second 400m; it's either a 9.9 or a 10 second car.

A 9 second & a 9.9 second 400m time are totally different.

[Professor Farnsworth]

if you run a 12.9, you most certainly do have a 12 second car - and if asked for clarification you say it's a high 12, same goes for 12.5 or 12, mid 12's, low or flat 12..

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

if you run a 12.9, you most certainly do have a 12 second car - and if asked for clarification you say it's a high 12, same goes for 12.5 or 12, mid 12's, low or flat 12..

So when the guy next to me runs a flat 12 second quarter, I can tell everyone without clarification that my 12.9 second car is a 12 second car. Meaning that we are equals Wow, times have changed.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Interesting technical discussion, but given the increasingly policed roads we drive on, quarter mile and 0-100 times are meaningless to 99% of people who buy cars now. Hell, the Ford dealer we went through thought it had been six months since anyone else besides me had even asked to see under the bonnet...

I agree. I think there's two different views here:
1. Looking at what is quick for a fairly standard street car with minor mods compared to the rest of the on-road traffic.
2. Looking at what is quick for a car that turns up to the local test and tune regularly.

The people who are coming from the first perspective (like me) are probably thinking 'well most modern standard cars are probably 15 seconds or thereabouts, so quicker than that by a whole second or more is ok over the 1/4 mile'. A new car that can do a 14 second 1/4 mile or even dip into the 13s - eg a new WRX or a new Golf GTi or something, is still plenty quick on real roads.

We've heard a lot of ranging views from the drag strip regulars and it seems the general view is if you take it seriously you'd want to be under 11 seconds.

Originally Posted by johnydep

So when the guy next to me runs a flat 12 second quarter, I can tell everyone without clarification that my 12.9 second car is a 12 second car. Meaning that we are equals Wow, times have changed.

From previous threads in the last couple days I've learned that on this forum the cars have to have the same transmission, driver and lane, on the same track on the same day within 10 minutes of each other and under the same atmospheric conditions, otherwise any comparison is not relevant.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by johnydep

So when the guy next to me runs a flat 12 second quarter, I can tell everyone without clarification that my 12.9 second car is a 12 second car. Meaning that we are equals Wow, times have changed.

i never said that once

if i ran a 12.9 in my T i would call my car a 12 second car, that's how it works - if asked how quick it is i'd say 12.9. I would not boast about it being a flat 12 if it weren't. This is not new info!

[vevapower]

Originally Posted by johnydep

I'm noticing a few rounding off of times. When comparing race times (400m times is racing), a hundredth of a second can make all the difference.

If my car runs a 12.9, I can not legitimately go out and tell everyone that I have a 12 second car. It's either a 12.9 or a 13 second 400m car.

Same with 9.9 second 400m; it's either a 9.9 or a 10 second car.

A 9 second & a 9.9 second 400m time are totally different.

Why would someone call their car a 13 sec car if it's run a 12?

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by vevapower

Why would someone call their car a 13 sec car if it's run a 12?

He's trying to round to the nearest whole number, which is against the common norm of drag racing. So it appears he is contending that if you are a 12.5 or higher you're really a 13. So instead of the bracket for a '13' being 13.00 to 13.99 he's saying it should be '12.5 to 13.5' which makes no sense

[vevapower]

Yeah right ok!

[johnydep]

I'm saying - there are too many people on here making there beast faster than what it is.

The cost to shave .9 of your time will cost big dollars the lower your times get. Why not quote your true time, like we expect the Ford & Holden manufacturers to do. There has been two full threads about the VF SS & GTS stated times, with people on here screaming about .2

Yes, your 12.9 second car is a 12 second car, but lets see the full time - 12.9

At least I have a 12 second car

Every other publication give us complete times.

2012 Lamborghini Aventador 10.4 sec @ 136 mph (219 km/h)
2011 Porsche 911 Turbo S 10.7 sec @ 128.9 mph (207.4 km/h)
2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat 10.8 sec @ 126.4 mph (203.4 km/h) NHRA certified: 10.8 / 126.3 achieved with street legal radials; 11.2 / 125.4 with unmodified factory tires
2012 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo 10.9 sec @ 140 mph (230 km/h)
2010 Ferrari 458 Italia 10.9 sec @ 131.7 mph (212.0 km/h)
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 Super Veloce 10.9 sec @ 129.4 mph (208.2 km/h)
2015 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat 11.0 sec @ 125.2 mph (201.5 km/h)

[vevapower]

Johny your argument is flawed and makes no sense and goes against basically the worlds adopted drag bracket bragging rights!

Did you run a 13.001 and your mate ran a 12.999 and you still haven't gotten over the fact that he's got a 12 sec car and you had a 13 sec car?

Btw my car ran 9.955234 @ 1401.2346676 mph

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by vevapower

Btw my car ran 9.955234 @ 1401.2346676 mph

Is your car a surface to air missile?

[vevapower]

Originally Posted by Alan D Segal

Is your car a surface to air missile?

Nah just being honest like Johny wants us to be.

But it sort of feels like a missile sometimes but only when it runs 9.9's feels slow when it runs 10.0's!

[Professor Farnsworth]

I think Alan means because you said your car ran over 1400mph lol

[STINKY NINJA]

Having a giggle at certain people commenting about quartermile times who are actually too scared to take their cars to the track and would rather toss on about dyno figures,quickest time ive ever gotten at the track in any of my cars is 13.8 at 103mph,pretty slow by some standards but at least ive been to the drags and had a crack.
I have found that if a car feels fun to drive and its enjoyable then that is enough for me from past experiences,take it to the drags and expect a wallet raping soon after chasing quicker times lol.

[vevapower]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

I think Alan means because you said your car ran over 1400mph lol

Oh yeah i get it!

Bloody decimal point typo!


9.955234 @ 14.012346676 mph

You'd be surprised how streetable a 9 sec (but 10 sec car reallY) ZF barra turbo car is.

They just dodel around like stock under 3k and still return 10 per 100 on highway and 15's on the stop start Sydney traffic.

Technology has come a long way in 10 years!

Also found this interesting link.

My 0 -100 is 1.84 sec's

http://www.sjdsm.com/tech/0_60_calc.htm

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by stevanford

Just remember, E85 is not hard to find at petrol stations in Sydney anymore and is actually better for the environment than normal fuels.

It a still pretty hard to get where I am. Last time I checked, the closest stations were still at least 20-30 minutes away.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by vevapower

Oh yeah i get it!

Bloody decimal point typo!


9.955234 @ 14.012346676 mph

lol now it's pretty slow

i get what you're trying to type

[stevanford]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

It a still pretty hard to get where I am. Last time I checked, the closest stations were still at least 20-30 minutes away.

I get that point as I have been waiting for almost 2 years to get an E85 servo within a 5-10 minute drive from home. However, compared to a few years ago, it is a lot more common.

EDIT: There are 3 United servo's that have E85 within 20kms of St Marys.

[vevapower]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

lol now it's pretty slow

i get what you're trying to type

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[V8 Ghia Mike]

I'm looking at getting a Mk.1 G6E turbo, what times do they run bog stock? Someone mentioned high 12s, but surely that must be a fluke?

Mike

[stevanford]

Originally Posted by V8 Ghia Mike

I'm looking at getting a Mk.1 G6E turbo, what times do they run bog stock? Someone mentioned high 12s, but surely that must be a fluke?

Mike

When I took mine out, I went 12.9, 12.9, 13.0. Car was 100% standard.

[stevanford]

How awesome is this. Built from one of the Forums sponsors to boot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjt-...WsuTFPJPgCIOGQ

[82XD393.3v]

13s is fast 12 is getting serious 11 is seriuosly fast 10 insane 9 warp speed. if you have a modern falcon doing these times at around 1800kg compared to a ferrari at 1400kg or lambo at 1575kg or porsche at around 1400kg when you carry so much weight it makes it hard to handle and harder to achieve these times so super cars should be in a separate section of comparison. well done to the 9, 10 and 11 second guys with there falcons

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by vevapower

Btw my car ran 9.955234

Pretty quick for a 10 second car :P

[LoudPipes]

Michael Johnson ran the 400m in 43.18sec.
That was fast in my books.

[The Monty]

Originally Posted by V8 Ghia Mike

I'm looking at getting a Mk.1 G6E turbo, what times do they run bog stock? Someone mentioned high 12s, but surely that must be a fluke?

Mike

I ran 12.9's straight out when mine was stock too.

And when I ran 11.9's, that was with ****** tyres, roof racks and 3 baby seats, full spare, full fuel, etc. 11's just aren't that fast these days.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by johnydep

I'm saying - there are too many people on here making there beast faster than what it is.

The cost to shave .9 of your time will cost big dollars the lower your times get. Why not quote your true time, like we expect the Ford & Holden manufacturers to do. There has been two full threads about the VF SS & GTS stated times, with people on here screaming about .2

Yes, your 12.9 second car is a 12 second car, but lets see the full time - 12.9

At least I have a 12 second car

Every other publication give us complete times.

2012 Lamborghini Aventador 10.4 sec @ 136 mph (219 km/h)
2011 Porsche 911 Turbo S 10.7 sec @ 128.9 mph (207.4 km/h)
2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat 10.8 sec @ 126.4 mph (203.4 km/h) NHRA certified: 10.8 / 126.3 achieved with street legal radials; 11.2 / 125.4 with unmodified factory tires
2012 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo 10.9 sec @ 140 mph (230 km/h)
2010 Ferrari 458 Italia 10.9 sec @ 131.7 mph (212.0 km/h)
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 Super Veloce 10.9 sec @ 129.4 mph (208.2 km/h)
2015 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat 11.0 sec @ 125.2 mph (201.5 km/h)

In that list there are 7, 10 second cars and 1, 11. Whats the problem?

I wanted to get the Landau into 10 seconds (anything) as there had never been a Landau get in that bracket as far as anyone knew. Took a while, lots of going back and forth, just a little bit of money & R/D but eventually it happened. I would have been content with 10.99 as then it would be a 10 second car.

Yes, everyone knows that a 10.01 car is a lot faster than a 10.99 car and the amount of effort to get there for the identical car is significant but the classification is both are 10 second cars. That is all.

In the context of a discussion on who is faster, then the 'point something' will come into effect ........ but they are still 10 second cars.

Calder will not let 10 second cars run if they do not have roll bars etc BUT you can run 11.00 everyday. Hit 10.99 and its a case of come back when you follow these rules.

[2242100]

Originally Posted by V8 Ghia Mike

I'm looking at getting a Mk.1 G6E turbo, what times do they run bog stock? Someone mentioned high 12s, but surely that must be a fluke?

Mike

I got a 12.509 second timeslip for my totally stock and untuned XR6T Auto's run at WSID on 21/5/14.

I posted detailed GPS data that my Performance Box recorded during that run earlier today on the "Last EVER Falcon picture and discussion" thread.

If you're skeptical please look at the earlier post that I referred to where the matter of credibility was (I believe successfully) addressed.

At the track I had trouble convincing people that the car wasn't tuned and it seems that you're very surprised by high 12 times.

A G6ET may have more trouble launching though because of no LSD. But I've heard of one getting a 12.4, although I can't confirm it.

The point to remember is that pretty much whatever time is lost at the start, is time lost over the quarter. So a lot of good cars may seem slow.