LAST HULK FRIDAY 2014: is FGX the Falcosaurus?

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Not always, I think it used to represent great value for money as far as the gadget/price ratio is concerned. But they haven't kept up in that regard.



I didn't know there was a Falcon Titanium ...

As for what it's missing? I can get these features on a Mondeo Titanium but not on the G6E:

Smart key entry
Keyless start
Remote start
Automatic folding wing mirrors
Blind spot monitor
Lane keeping assistance
Active City Stop
Auto up/down all windows
Cross traffic alert
Park assist
Adaptive cruise control
Panoramic sunroof
Heated seats front and rear
10-way power adjustable front passenger seat

Given the similarity in price, I see no reason why I should buy a G6E instead of a Mondeo Titanium. I think most buyers who isn't fussed about where the car is built will feel the same.

Hmm, I'm not trying to be rude here but with all that extra tech, why would you want to drive at all these days... just hire a chauffeur and sip your drink in the back seat !

I'm sorry but a competent driver doesn't need any of that stuff to improve their driving skills, though I will admit Keyless start is a nice feature.

I really think they are trying to condition us drivers to be comfortable with the introduction of driver-less cars very soon !

No thanks, gimme power steering, aircon and my 6-stacker CD and I'm happy as you know what.

[SensationFG8]

Mate I don't even need the cd player, engine makes all the music I need.

[T-Pak Addict]

Originally Posted by NX74205

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It's not the 1980s anymore. Technology advances at an exponential rate. Some people don't feel the need to keep up, and that's fine, but just because you don't doesn't mean nobody else does.

My ZL has pretty much the same stuff as my BA....
Its only been the last 5 years there is everyone whining my Ford doesn't have this or that which will probably break anyway and render it useless....

[arronm]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Perhaps, I'm pretty sure he hasn't driven one, there is too much in what he says that is not close to the real world.

Not that I need to justify myself but it was a forum members car I drove.

I can get him to sign an affidavit for you and fire it off to you after the weekend if you like.

[SensationFG8]

No affidavit necessary, happy for said forum member to post here and say "my 335 gt does not spin it's wheels in 2nd, for some reason it just doesn't make the same power as any other gt and I'm ok with that."

Given a non rspec 335 has skinny tires I'd say it would be easier to spin up not harder.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Hmm, I'm not trying to be rude here but with all that extra tech, why would you want to drive at all these days... just hire a chauffeur and sip your drink in the back seat !

I'm sorry but a competent driver doesn't need any of that stuff to improve their driving skills, though I will admit Keyless start is a nice feature.

I really think they are trying to condition us drivers to be comfortable with the introduction of driver-less cars very soon !

No thanks, gimme power steering, aircon and my 6-stacker CD and I'm happy as you know what.

Of the features in that list I posted, I think the only things I wouldn't have any need for is adaptive cruise and heated seats. That's it.

While I agree that a competent driver shouldn't need lane keeping assist, blind spot monitor etc, and I share your disdain for driverless cars, they are incredibly useful in preventing accidents as a result of human error, which believe it or not, happens. As long as drivers don't rely on this technology, but use it as a backup in case of a momentary lapse of concentration, I don't see a problem with that.

I'm not too proud to admit that I have had a few near misses thanks to these momentary lapses of concentration. I have nearly changed lanes into a Pajero because I forgot to check my blind spot; and I have nearly rear-ended a Patrol because I was distracted by a hot chick walking by. It happens.

There are also times when reverse sensors on my Fairmont have saved me from hitting a fire hydrant or a very high kerb, which I couldn't see in my mirror or in the back window.

Accidents happen, and if there's technology available to reduce the likelihood of having an accident, why is that a bad thing?

[T-Pak Addict]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Accidents happen, and if there's technology available to reduce the likelihood of having an accident, why is that a bad thing?

Some people rely on it tho...
And then wonder why it didn't work....

Same as speeding is bad, stick to the limit....
Then some doosh flys past you doing 100kmh in a 100kmh zone and its absolutely bucketing down cats & dogs....

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Not always, I think it used to represent great value for money as far as the gadget/price ratio is concerned. But they haven't kept up in that regard.



I didn't know there was a Falcon Titanium ...

As for what it's missing? I can get these features on a Mondeo Titanium but not on the G6E:

Smart key entry
Keyless start
Remote start
Automatic folding wing mirrors
Blind spot monitor
Lane keeping assistance
Active City Stop
Auto up/down all windows
Cross traffic alert
Park assist
Adaptive cruise control
Panoramic sunroof
Heated seats front and rear
10-way power adjustable front passenger seat

Given the similarity in price, I see no reason why I should buy a G6E instead of a Mondeo Titanium. I think most buyers who isn't fussed about where the car is built will feel the same.

From my end, the following tech is critical/useful to me, aside from great engine, good brakes, good handling:

1. ABS for wet- critical

2. Good stereo, with capacity to play at least 1 16 bit cd- useful

3. Rear parking monitor- critical in this day and age to prevent accidental running over of little ones in driveways

4. Bluetooth for phone- driving on business- critical

5. Stability control and traction control-useful in wet, critical to be able to be turned OFF for dry fun and sometimes when the itch comes on off in the wet as well....

6. front warning collision alarm- useful for times you may be thinking about a work problem or fatigue is at play

Other than that- I can do without electric seats, warming seats, crotch massager, atomic clock to tell time in 7 different timezones, lane avoidance, cocktail mixing shaker in dashboard ...blah blah blah

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Not always, I think it used to represent great value for money as far as the gadget/price ratio is concerned. But they haven't kept up in that regard.



I didn't know there was a Falcon Titanium ...

As for what it's missing? I can get these features on a Mondeo Titanium but not on the G6E:

Smart key entry
Keyless start
Remote start
Automatic folding wing mirrors
Blind spot monitor
Lane keeping assistance
Active City Stop
Auto up/down all windows
Cross traffic alert
Park assist
Adaptive cruise control
Panoramic sunroof
Heated seats front and rear
10-way power adjustable front passenger seat

Given the similarity in price, I see no reason why I should buy a G6E instead of a Mondeo Titanium. I think most buyers who isn't fussed about where the car is built will feel the same.

Thanks Hulk...

I concur, if you want those features a Mondeo would be a good choice.

Personally the Automatic folding wing mirrors and possibly blind spot monitor are the only things that interest me in that list.

I'd gladly trade it all for an XR8. (As would many others given they are basically sold out)

It wasn't long ago we had legitimate things to whine about like engines that needed a tune/mechanical changes for decent power. Better handling and braking too.
We no longer require these things so look for something else.

You can please some of the people some of the time...

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by NX74205

and I have nearly rear-ended a Patrol because I was distracted by a hot chick walking by. It happens.

Now that is completely understandable my friend.. happens to me aswell but I rely on my peripheral vision to save me.. so far so good

Have reverse sensors on the my XR8 and they do come in handy but I ALWAYS check visually so it's not something I will ever rely on completely and this is where drivers today cross the fine line between competency and relying on tech to save them.

I wonder if instead of offering all this new tech in their cars, the vehicle industry worked closely with the DOT and funded compulsory driver training programs, maybe then we would have better drivers and less accidents on our roads ??... but I guess it's all about selling cars in the end.......

[blueoval]

Asagaai -Crotch massager? Can I get one of those fitted aftermarket? I need the extra large size and can you ensure the setting is turned to 'heavy duty flog' so it matches this thread please??!?!!?!.....

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Not always, I think it used to represent great value for money as far as the gadget/price ratio is concerned. But they haven't kept up in that regard.



I didn't know there was a Falcon Titanium ...

As for what it's missing? I can get these features on a Mondeo Titanium but not on the G6E:

Smart key entry
Keyless start
Remote start
Automatic folding wing mirrors
Blind spot monitor
Lane keeping assistance
Active City Stop
Auto up/down all windows
Cross traffic alert
Park assist
Adaptive cruise control
Panoramic sunroof
Heated seats front and rear
10-way power adjustable front passenger seat

Given the similarity in price, I see no reason why I should buy a G6E instead of a Mondeo Titanium. I think most buyers who isn't fussed about where the car is built will feel the same.

The truth is being told above.. See it's not just hulk being hulk... It's true

Ford think a hairy chested motor will offset the low tech car.. Well it does for xr8 / xr6t but everything else is dinosaur (Falcosaurus ) with no compensation under the hood.

[HULK_I6T]

The falcon will be extinct because it didn't embrace the changing market..

A big boofy motor and bare bones is a nice concept to car enthusiasts but for the majority of the population value the tech gadgets and comfy inclusions over bragging about 0-100km times or doing a burnout. Performance doesn't sell cars like it used too.. Remember in the mid 90s the wrx looked dog ugly and no tech at all but it's storming performance made it a cult car and sold like hot cakes.. The xr8 is trying that same principle but these days performance bragging don't sell as well

Ford simply cannot grasp this with the falcon. It went from the countries top selling car to being irrelevant.

I like a big boofy motor in a billcart for the record, as many on here do but that's not the majority and not enough to sell the Falcosaurus in decent numbers. I hope that my next car is a Falcosaurus xr8

[dragons90]

The commodore has all the gimmicks and its going extinct too

[XR Martin]

Got nothing to do with gadgets or 'comfy inclusions' (whatever the **** those are)
Its got all to do with image and nothing else.

Look at the top 20 best selling cars and tell me which ones are known for their gadgets?
Corolla, I30, I20, Mazda 3, Hilux, Ranger, Triton, Camry, Rav4, Accent, Mazda 2, Lancer, Captiva etc etc

Sure some of them have feature packed top-of-the-line models, but they make up no more than around 5-10% of its sales.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Got nothing to do with gadgets or 'comfy inclusions' (whatever the **** those are)
Its got all to do with image and nothing else.

Look at the top 20 best selling cars and tell me which ones are known for their gadgets?
Corolla, I30, I20, Mazda 3, Hilux, Ranger, Triton, Camry, Rav4, Accent, Mazda 2, Lancer, Captiva etc etc

Sure some of them have feature packed top-of-the-line models, but they make up no more than around 5-10% of its sales.

Falcons biggest problem is that it isn't a hatchback or a commercial utility (that's manufactured in large numbers and exported around the world).

To keep existing it'd need to be G series and XR series built, specced and marketed as luxury/sports halo models and exported around the globe. That would keep it alive but it just wouldn't sell in big numbers (IMO)

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

The falcon will be extinct because it didn't embrace the changing market..

WRONG

What should have the Falcon had for the changing market?

No matter what the falcon had put in it I won't buy one, not that there is anything wrong with the falcon but it is not my style car any more, that is why Falcon & Holden sedans are dropping in sales as people want other type vehicles.

[Sprintey]

Hulk I have enjoyed your threads, and +1 to Loudpipes who is still driving an XY in his 70's and also watching this season's biting social commentary on South Park (very impressive).

Just want to draw attention to the current take-down of oil prices - it looks like we are going back in to the Jurrassic, so press reverse on the meteor.

Just like in 1985, where the house of Saud dropped oil to US$10 a barrel, we are now mid $50's and going lower - all of a sudden, big, hairy chested fuel slurpers just got a whole lot more economical to drive. Everyone went nuts for the FWD Sigmas and 4cyl Commodores in the early 80's, remind me what the XF did to the market did later?

FWIW the new XR8 is the real deal, and in 20 years time people won't be collecting 'lane change assist'.

[arronm]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

The falcon will be extinct because it didn't embrace the changing market..

A big boofy motor and bare bones is a nice concept to car enthusiasts but for the majority of the population value the tech gadgets and comfy inclusions over bragging about 0-100km times or doing a burnout. Performance doesn't sell cars like it used too.. Remember in the mid 90s the wrx looked dog ugly and no tech at all but it's storming performance made it a cult car and sold like hot cakes.. The xr8 is trying that same principle but these days performance bragging don't sell as well

Ford simply cannot grasp this with the falcon. It went from the countries top selling car to being irrelevant.

I like a big boofy motor in a billcart for the record, as many on here do but that's not the majority and not enough to sell the Falcosaurus in decent numbers. I hope that my next car is a Falcosaurus xr8

People vote for a car when they purchase one.

Maybe the new falcon will increase sales.

BUT at the moment falcon aint doing to well.

[SensationFG8]

That's ok, it'll still blast the doors off your ss regardless of some page in a magazine. The good news is only a lucky few will own them. Enjoy your view of the tail end from that position way way behind.

[arronm]

99 % of car buyers dont care about power or 1/4 mile times.

[SensationFG8]

Won't dispute that, it's a very true statement. The 1% that do buy a v8 and enjoy it. The ones that chose SS chose the slower car.

Edit: given the emphasis you placed on wheel spin in 3rd I can only assume you are in that 1%.

[arronm]

Dude, my SSV Redline is a WORK car, its a great place to be for the 1.5hrs each day I travel.

Since modified it has a nice note, nice torque and OK power. It has every thing a NICE car should be.

Then when I feel like power I take my F6 out. Totally different car. And since I havnt seen any power graphs or comments from you on power I gather your car is stock.

So you will be definitely seeing my tail lights and smelling my rubber.

Anyrate dude CHILL out. We both luv Fords

[SensationFG8]

Posted two, your too lazy to read either...

I'm completely chilled, you just seem to want to push some weird brand of misinformation. I'm simply calling it where I see it.

Edit: if this is how you love things, I'd hate to see something you hate, I don't think you've made one positive post on the ford.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Does turning the tyres in 4th at 100 count?

What car does this?

[HULK_I6T]

Its irrelevant when people on here argue that the gimmicks aren't needed....i tend to agree the gimmicks are a little useless but when new car buyers shop for cars they want more for their money. They compare how many tools are in the tool set before they buy.

so the guy up the road throwing in a set of steak knives and fluffy dice (about as relevant as some of the tech stuff) will be seen as more attractive offer than the falcosaurus that can do 0-100 in 5 seconds.

for the falcosaurus to remain competitive it must match the features offered by most cars on the market, not simply point to the hairy chested motor under the hood. It dont appeal to non car enthusiasts like park assist or blind spot assist.

why is it the commodore kicks the falcosaurus teeth in on the sales chart? The commodore dont compare performance wise.

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by Stefan

What car does this?

The gtf is capable of it.

[FPV+fteT3]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

The gtf is capable of it.

Then I woke up .....on a wet road so does a VN

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Then I woke up .....on a wet road so does a VN

Dry freeway, no water necessary.

Check context of original post... Nothing to do with the capabilities of other motors simply disputing someone who thinks a Miami doesn't really make any power or torque.

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Its irrelevant when people on here argue that the gimmicks aren't needed....i tend to agree the gimmicks are a little useless but when new car buyers shop for cars they want more for their money. They compare how many tools are in the tool set before they buy.

so the guy up the road throwing in a set of steak knives and fluffy dice (about as relevant as some of the tech stuff) will be seen as more attractive offer than the falcosaurus that can do 0-100 in 5 seconds.

for the falcosaurus to remain competitive it must match the features offered by most cars on the market, not simply point to the hairy chested motor under the hood. It dont appeal to non car enthusiasts like park assist or blind spot assist.

why is it the commodore kicks the falcosaurus teeth in on the sales chart? The commodore dont compare performance wise.

Hulk, you sound like a broken record....

I've said it before and will say it again... sales DO NOT always mean you have the better product, target demographic determines that.

We all know the Holden brand name has been around since 1948 and ask most Aussies today and they will relate more closely with the Holden badge than they will to the Ford and this is the main reason why the Commodore is outselling the Falcon right now...

You are right though, people want gadgets in their cars and the Commodore has gadgets but also remember, the top 3 selling cars are imported hatchbacks... what does that tell you ?

I don't know why you keep using the term "Falcosaurus"... you make it sound like Ford are still using 80's tech in their FGX.... yet you drive a Ford ??

The global trend is to always update your product every 2-3 years so people get the impression you are innovative and fresh... nothing wrong with that but what if you already have a great product that has been refined over the years?... why change when you have a good thing going ?

Here's an example...

I remember when the VF was first released and people started freaking out about the new electric handbrake and how some owners went for the power window switch and accidentally engaged the handbrake while cruising at 80kph

Sometimes change ain't so great !