Are ICE uncool, EV cool with Millennials and Gen-Z ????

[Toiler]

Originally Posted by b0son

They are a single speed gearbox, so even though the motor itself has a flat torque curve, it actually has less torque (AFAIK) than a sporty petrol-powered car *at the wheels* because there is no short first gear.

edit: one of the Koenigsegg's works on the same principle, with a single speed gearbox, but uses clutch slip IIRC to gradually ramp up the degree of drivetrain engagement as speed rises.

I understand that the single speed is a pretty massive reduction gear. The resulting linear delivery of torque via the reduction gear across all engine rotation speeds plus the ability of the motor to rev veeeery high is the punch factor.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by xxx000

To those that say they'd never own a Tesla...really?
Why would you even say that? It seems to reek of insecurity rather than being based on fact.

Why can’t people say they don’t want a Tesla? People can say they don’t want any other brand and it barley raises an eyebrow, but when someone says they don’t want a Tesla somehow the hardcore fans come in reeeing.

I will never buy a Mercedes or a VW. Do you care? Am I saying that out of insecurity?

Personally I would only consider buying a high performance Model S or Model 3. I guess I’m only partly insecure.

[Streets]

I'll drive an EV as soon as I can afford one and with the money I save on petrol for commuting I'll put into the tanks of my 351s. It won't be a Tesla though because Elon Musk knows as much about building cars as I do: **** all

[Sprintey]

"Why can’t people say they don’t want a Tesla? "

It might have something to do with small armies of internet fanboys, the same exists with regard to people's love of Apple products. That's to take nothing away from Tesla's driveline tech which does seem to have better performance than other EVs at present.

I'd like an EV as a commuter. Currently I'd go for the Mazda effort, with it's philosophy of small battery/less range. Why? Because I will keep an ICE for longer distances, would assume the cost to replace the smaller battery will be smaller, it's use will be more tailored to the size of the battery, and I've researched what a shortfall in lithium mined would look like if takeup is as predicted.

Here's a Finnish Tesla owner's reaction when informed of the cost to replace the battery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_9aVzf5fC4

I also have a theory that harsh environments make people creative and crazy.

Edit: notice the last two letters of the link are 'C4'...

[whynot]

Ford CEO has just announced on Twitter that the F150 Lightning (EV) planned production is increasing from 80,000 to 150,000 per year.

Just reading through a leaked dealer's playbook https://www.scribd.com/document/5509...oad&from_embed

... it appears that a Dealer will earn 10.0% commission on a F150 EV verses 6.4% commission earned on an ICE.

MSRP ranges from $(USD)39,974 for the base model to $(USD)90,874 for the model with all of the fruit.

[Burnout]

There's no EV out here in Qld bush, doubt there will ever be, Except the Wallopers, at Country Stns, they'll get em because all those decisions are made in BNE.
Gov Co up here are currently building charging Stns out along the Warrego, with plans to put them in up to Barcy, then back to Rocky. That will all take years. There's a Bloke in Chinchilla who owns a Model S, he charges it at home, never drives it more than it takes to get home again.
Charging Stn & EV infrastructure in his garage and on his roof cost $60K & his power bills went up by 2%. If that works for you, do it.

[Syndrome]

Clearly yes. I first noticed this in 2016 with some work colleagues. When I tried to explain to them that most of our electricity is generated from coal and the new problems being introduced by rare earth metals being used in batteries their eyes glazed over. Not many of this generation lust over a V8 or I6T Falcon.

[kypez]

Why can't we have both?! I love my V8s and Love my EVs. They money I save with the EVs let me buy more V8s though I doubt there will be many new V8 cars offered in the future.

EVs are just fantastic around town, on the Eastern Seaboard, Country NSW (you can get to Broken Hill or Mildura quite easily now) and are a joy to drive on the open road especially with semi-autonomous control; Auto-Pilot is magnificent on long drives even on roads that aren't marked all that clearly (unlike like other "opinions", I've driven them and can tell you our B grade roads and highways are fine for Auto Pilot).

The V8's are great but they are SLOW!! Especially NA V8s. The EVs just leave them for dead. Love the handling, acceleration and comfort of EVs.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Burnout

There's no EV out here in Qld bush, doubt there will ever be, Except the Wallopers, at Country Stns, they'll get em because all those decisions are made in BNE.
Gov Co up here are currently building charging Stns out along the Warrego, with plans to put them in up to Barcy, then back to Rocky. That will all take years. There's a Bloke in Chinchilla who owns a Model S, he charges it at home, never drives it more than it takes to get home again.
Charging Stn & EV infrastructure in his garage and on his roof cost $60K & his power bills went up by 2%. If that works for you, do it.

I'm going to say that a $60k EV infrastructure is BS. The charger is $780 and you just need to wire it in. If they chose to buy $60k of solar or some other stuff, thats not a necessity.

My energy bill came down because I can run my household stuff on my EV plan that dropped my bills to less than $200 a month running 3 EVs.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by whynot

Ford CEO has just announced on Twitter that the F150 Lightning (EV) planned production is increasing from 80,000 to 150,000 per year.

Just reading through a leaked dealer's playbook https://www.scribd.com/document/5509...oad&from_embed

... it appears that a Dealer will earn 10.0% commission on a F150 EV verses 6.4% commission earned on an ICE.

MSRP ranges from $(USD)39,974 for the base model to $(USD)90,874 for the model with all of the fruit.

I wish they brought this here or realised a Ranger Lightning. I'd get one in a heartbeat.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Burnout

There's a Bloke in Chinchilla who owns a Model S, he charges it at home, never drives it more than it takes to get home again.
Charging Stn & EV infrastructure in his garage and on his roof cost $60K & his power bills went up by 2%. If that works for you, do it.

For that amount of brass, he has probably gone off-grid in a big way. Sure, he might have dropped $60K, but I suspect he has near zero electricity bills and near zero fuel bills. Probably done with simple payback of around 8 to 10 years, and then savings keep rolling in after that.

Don't be too quick to make absolute statements like there will never be EV out bush. From my experience, farmers work the NPV maths on an investment harder than most. Just look at the amount of solar water pumps and solar powered remote telemetry being installed.

If the gear does the job and there is a buck to be saved, they will jump across.