ford vs magna drag... - Page 3

xdc351 · 18-08-2005, 01:03 AM

I know what chevypower is talking about with the 1.8L lasers. my mate has one and it absoloutly flies for a little 4 banger. Impressed the hell out of me thats for sure!

As far as the magna goes you better watch out. I've seen a few of those run some very impressive times down the strip and had my *** handed to me by a few vr-x's too. But I'd still give one a go as they are very much a 'wednesday engine' type of car.... some fly, most die.

**Mechan1k** · 18-08-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

If he had a Magna Sport VR-X 3.5 V6, you would lose. But the EL should give the 3.0 a sound beating.

Agreed there ... my Mum owns a 3.5L VRX manual ... damn that thing hauls ... polishes off VS SS Bombadores with ease ... and copious amounts of unwanted wheelspin into 4th gear ... hee hee ... on grippy G-Grid IIs.

The 3.0L V6s were that much of a slouch though ... depends on the tune of the vehicle .... in the models when the V6s first came out ... they were a crappy. But the TE models (I think ... about 97) were much better with the 3.0L in them.

I'd say it'd be a close one though.
One of my work colleagues has a 97 Altera 3.0L V6 auto .... it goes pretty damn swiftly ... but still no 3.5L though.

I think the 3.0L V6 put out approx 145kW ... whereas the VRX 3.5L put out 163kW (then the Ralliart put out 180kW from a SOHC motor as well)

Citric GT · 18-08-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprint_ED

well my old mans is a oct 97 magna sports 3.5 so maybe there was 2 models in the same year. i might of been wrong there, but ur definatley understating them

If its a 97 sports its a TF and they did NOT have a 3.5. ONLY the Verada had a 3.5. In fact NO Magna had a 3.5 until TH 1999. My old man has a 98 Sports - its a 3.0 and identical to any other 3 litre magna. 140kw & 255nm. The only difference is the Sports got a slightly shorter diff ratio.

merlin · 18-08-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elfdave

condition? Atm the transmission is a bit crazy when I drive it in power mode, the gears tend to hold too long and it takes a few days of driving in economy mode before things calm down. Time for an auto transmission service eh...?

I thought the whole point of "power mode" was to hold the gears longer...

18-08-2005, 01:21 PM

merlin what happens is this. After driving a bit hard in power mode, 3rd gear will hold at 60 even when i'm not accelerating. The whole car shudders as if the transmission is trying to get into 4th but can't. Then when I pull up at lights the transmission clunks into 1st.
Strangely after I drive the car a bit more conservatively in ecom mode the problem completely dissapears.

EFFalcon · 18-08-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elfdave

I've heard that ELs are not as powerful as the rest of the E series, what's up with that?

not true, they have 157kw which is essentially the highest standard spec 4.0 you could get (bar any XR motors)

ridefox · 18-08-2005, 01:35 PM

i have been to the drags at the plex an seen a all wheel drive twin turbo magna run wot i remeber was 11.5 im pritty sure that correct an that was about 12 months ago

18-08-2005, 01:35 PM

magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

JC · 18-08-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Ya see I knew i was gonna get that sort of response, give us an email and I welcome a demo I kid you not, but it might be better believing it not to be true, as i have said, had an EF in the family (when it was new), and an AU i NEVER said it woops them, i said it keeps up, - just think of the power to weight ratio 96kw per tonne for the Laser = just under 150kw per 1.5 tonne VZs and BAs are more like 1.7 tonnes
Theres not really a huge power to weight advantage on 6 cyl Falcons and Commodores compared to the Laser is there? Also dragged off two Falcon 6s with the WK Caprice 5.7 while we were pulling the horse float... I spose ya gonna tell me I didnt hear their engines rev hard as they were trying too. I'm only reporting my experiences, take it or leave it. If you want a fast Ford, get an XR8!
Here, I have got two car reviews which show that performance is only slightly to the Commodores advantage, and fuel consumption is only slightly better in the Laser too
http://www.mynrma.com.au/laser-kj-li..._fordlaskj.asp
http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_2391/article.html

Now whether he had a slightly slower to react right foot and I had a super quick one to react to the green light, who knows who cares, a fast car should be able to leave my Laser back in the smoke! I think a BA XT would perform better, but anything up to AU stock 6, and a BA with the dedicated LPG option would be about the same

I'm probably coming in a bit late to this argument, but if you count being able to see the back of a car as keeping up, then I can keep up with any GT, SS, HSV and turbo falcon around.

0-100 in 10.6 does NOT beat 0-100 in 9.3 (VT wagon) or 9.1 (AU Forte). 3.0 V6 Magna 9.7

The MaDDeSTMaN · 18-08-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xdc351

I know what chevypower is talking about with the 1.8L lasers. my mate has one and it absoloutly flies for a little 4 banger. Impressed the hell out of me thats for sure!

As far as the magna goes you better watch out. I've seen a few of those run some very impressive times down the strip and had my *** handed to me by a few vr-x's too. But I'd still give one a go as they are very much a 'wednesday engine' type of car.... some fly, most die.

Yup, and anyone who has been in a 2.0L Escort knows they can go pretty darn well for a little 4 banger, but that's not the main issue in this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

I think it would be interesting to watch, it could very easily come down to driver skill rather then the actual cars - who can get the better start, although the condition of the engines will also play a part.

I know I'd like to watch and see how it works out...

mcflux · 18-08-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EBII4.L

magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

well that was incredibly smart! Here, take my sister and use her as a plaything, you certainly deserve a reward for your incredible driving performance...

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Heeno · 18-08-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EBII4.L

magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

find that very hard to believe, 1 - eb's start to feel extremely uncomfortable past 160, 2 - im pretty sure there speed limited to 180, 3 - no one will sit on your *** at 200km especially a magna

: 4 - i think you just said that to sound cool, but if you want to sound 'cool' tell us something believable please.

TZENU · 18-08-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EBII4.L

magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

Did it have NOS? or a giant Turbo/..... better still did have thumpn 8???

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TuMor · 19-08-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EBII4.L
magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

Did it have NOS? or a giant Turbo/..... better still did have thumpn 8???

Probably had a huge wing on the back. The extra downforce makes them go faster...

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Sourbastard · 19-08-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EBII4.L

magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

Someone needs some attention. Probably not the kind he wants, but attention he shall get.

TuMor · 19-08-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Someone needs some attention. Probably not the kind he wants, but attention he shall get.

INdeed!!!

Casper · 19-08-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

Someone needs some attention. Probably not the kind he wants, but attention he shall get.

I'll charge the Tazer, you get the chilli sauce. :voldar02:

Ryan · 19-08-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EBII4.L

magnas are really fast, i kinder drag one on the freeway sure its very fast i had clocked 200KM olready on my clock with my EBII Fairmont it was still behind me.I was only half a car length ahead.

Did you hit the "Fulli sik speed bro button"?

Psycho Chicken · 19-08-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

(eg it pulled 150km/h up the Wellington Rd hill in Lysterfield before it got to the top whereas the Grange only pulled 110).

Note to self; punch anyone driving a 94 Laser on Wello road.

God who let the wood ducks in?

RED_EL_XR8 · 19-08-2005, 07:50 PM

Funny how these urban land-speed record laden threads just dissappear without a trace!!!

Ryan · 19-08-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Funny how these urban land-speed record laden threads just dissappear without a trace!!!

I think its called "Speed threads get throwm into the sh*tter". lol

TuMor · 19-08-2005, 07:54 PM

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Did you hit the "Fulli sik speed bro button"?

Ahahahaaahaaa

chevypower · 19-08-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Note to self; punch anyone driving a 94 Laser on Wello road.

God who let the wood ducks in?

I was talking about the Stato not the Laser, I would love u to punch my car while i drive towards you

Psycho Chicken · 20-08-2005, 01:36 AM

Who cares? Why the hell were you doing that speed on Wellington road? It's an 80 zone tops, I'm pretty sure up that end it's 70.

chevypower · 21-08-2005, 12:26 AM

They have changed to 80 now (on that part) you are quite right, it used to be 100km/h all the way (with 10% tolerance)

t2te50 · 21-08-2005, 12:33 AM

Automatic lasers can't beat a standard six full stop. No ifs no butts it's written in the gospel. A manual 1.8 N14 nissan pulsar woud destroy any laser especialy an automatic KF.

chevypower · 21-08-2005, 01:04 AM

its a KJ2 (built by Mazda, not Ford), i cant comment on the KFs, but family has owned many Ford Falcon 6s from EA to AU, and i have driven just about every BA model, i will say that the performance from 0-100 between the Laser and EF-AU 6 both cars being automatic, is very similar, drive them both, floor the crap out of them, line them up, but dont tell me stuff when you havent driven both, and i dont care if the Laser was rated an offical "slow" i am just putting the stock EF 6's performance in to perspective, to give people a reason to want more power LOL (if power is what they want, and are expecting from it) - I am looking at a Navara STR diesel for my next car, so its not like I am trying to have a car that out accelerates everyone. Nissan Pulsar manual? havent driven one of those either, but yes manual definately has the advantage for performance when it comes to launching.

t2te50 · 21-08-2005, 01:15 AM

One tip just get a electronic direct injection diesel, non of this mechanical pre combustion chamber crap a friend of ours got a hyundai terracan diesel sounds like a tractor and probably not much smoother. Why not toyots they have a great 4.2 turbo diesel that their putting into almost everything they build.

ScoopED · 21-08-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Ya see I knew i was gonna get that sort of response, give us an email and I welcome a demo I kid you not, but it might be better believing it not to be true, as i have said, had an EF in the family (when it was new), and an AU i NEVER said it woops them, i said it keeps up, - just think of the power to weight ratio 96kw per tonne for the Laser = just under 150kw per 1.5 tonne VZs and BAs are more like 1.7 tonnes
Theres not really a huge power to weight advantage on 6 cyl Falcons and Commodores compared to the Laser is there? Also dragged off two Falcon 6s with the WK Caprice 5.7 while we were pulling the horse float... I spose ya gonna tell me I didnt hear their engines rev hard as they were trying too. I'm only reporting my experiences, take it or leave it. If you want a fast Ford, get an XR8!
Here, I have got two car reviews which show that performance is only slightly to the Commodores advantage, and fuel consumption is only slightly better in the Laser too
http://www.mynrma.com.au/laser-kj-li..._fordlaskj.asp
http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_2391/article.html

Now whether he had a slightly slower to react right foot and I had a super quick one to react to the green light, who knows who cares, a fast car should be able to leave my Laser back in the smoke! I think a BA XT would perform better, but anything up to AU stock 6, and a BA with the dedicated LPG option would be about the same

Mate...... Have you ever heard of a thing called TORQUE ??? Plays a big part in acceleration, actually power doesent really mean much at all.

How about you start quoting some torque figures for the different cars/engines, its generally a pretty good indicator of a cars potential. I mean, we have to remember here that most road going cars (generally) have a fairly low final gear ratio.

Who really cares how much power to weight a laser has? I have raced my then stock EB against a whole pile of small cars and have pretty much destroyed them all (at the racetrack...) lancer, laser, pulsar........
The proof is in the pudding.

Mike

chevypower · 21-08-2005, 01:26 AM

yeah, if they put the 4.2 in the Hilux that would be awesome! I read somewhere the 4.2 T/D will be replaced by a 4.4 Twin Turbo V8 diesel in the Land Cruiser, and wanting a crew cab 4X4 ute, if it were between the Hilux and Nav, they both look great in my opinion, the diesel models are similar in power and torque, but the Nissan is $35000 and the Toyota is over $50k - Nissan is better off road than the new Hilux, and is rated to tow more. But i am going way off the Magna/Falcon topic now but that was my reasoning for looking at the STR diesel.