The Today Tonight Crusade Continues

[EF, What else?]

Originally Posted by ltd

Guys the reason for the MEO is that the Middle Easterners in Sydney have become a real big problem. For the last ten years we've had a state government with it's head in the sand and now there's an election coming up we have a chance of getting something done about it. Racism comes from both sides too, so it's not ozzies ganging up on others. Live in sydney for a while and you too will see the problems with this group and in particular the anti social behaviour/crime that follows them around.

SOME of these middle easterners, your throwing them all into the same category. Are you saying ALL australians are racist?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by ltd

Guys the reason for the MEO is that the Middle Easterners in Sydney have become a real big problem. For the last ten years we've had a state government with it's head in the sand and now there's an election coming up we have a chance of getting something done about it. Racism comes from both sides too, so it's not ozzies ganging up on others. Live in sydney for a while and you too will see the problems with this group and in particular the anti social behaviour/crime that follows them around.

LOL how can "they" be "Middle Easterners" if they were born here??

Oh you mean descendants of " Middle Easterners". Lets face it ltd, all Aussies are descendants from somewhere unless indigenous. The aboriginals must pi$$ themselves when they hear non-indigenous people arguing over who is the most "Aussie".

I'm sure there are problems in Sydney with people from a range of backgrounds. Claiming all people from one particular group are a problem because of their ethnical origin is racist, and not possible by any rational measure.

And just reading b/n the lines here, do you have a problem with the State government in NSW? sleep:

[ltd]

Before you get on your high horse and start trying to lecture me, I'd remind you that you don't live in NSW, and you don't know the problems we have confronted here. I would not be so presumptuous as to lecture you on the problems Melbourne faces, as I do not experience it and therefore am not qualified to make judgements based on what I hear.
Where in my post have I said that all and I mean all Middle Easterners are exclusively a problem? If you wish to play solely on words then there is much I can make of the quality of some posts here on this forum, and the apparent fact that many here; by word usage standards, seem not to have matriculated past pre-school.
I say Middle Easterners as that is what the youth of this community refer to themselves as, and is the way they are identified as a group by TT. As we were talking about the groups identified by TT, I thought that an explanation wasn't necessary. For the critics; a big sorry to you all.

I highlighted the point that their community is facing problems. This is not new, their leaders have come out and said the same thing.
The fact that there is established ghetto's in and around Sydney of this particular ethnic extraction is nothing new either. The inherent problems of one community living together and not living amongst others has served to isolate them from the mainstream, as well as create fear and supposition on both sides.
This concept again, has been mentioned repeatedly by their leaders as being a root cause of the problem. Furthermore, higher than average unemployment has seen the proliferation of drugs and drug related crime/turf wars within this community and resulted in many a drive by shooting, murder in a public place and generally woeful amounts of unabated crime going unchecked; as lawyers and loose judges have effected most offenders being let off.
This has only compounded the problem.

If you would like to contribute in an informed way, I suggest you actually speak to someone who hails from Sydney before you begin with the oversensitive self serving PC crap that seems to effortlessly emanate from your computer to the forums.

And reading in between the lines, you seem to have a problem with every single thing that I have said in any given forum. I suggest you get a can of Mortein, drop your draws, bend over and spray for 30 seconds to kill the bug that is hiding up your ***.
And no witty little emoticon either, as a battle of wits is unfair when the battle is engaged against an unarmed man.

[Bobman]

Oops didn't realise there was a thread about this already.

I'd love to see TT do a special on "Police speeding" and the large number of written off SS / Exec's ending up at Fowles each month from driver error.

Or a special on Naomi's well known sexual habits ;)

Seriously though there are better things to use 108 officer's than this, more effort on real crimes will prevent big crimes.

i'm not racist I just dont like dic&head$ weather they be from Italy, Greece, France, Germany, UK, middle east or even australia...

i think racisim is far worst in europe/states than here.

d1c7heads are the same the world over.

in fact i have had more trouble with "redneck" coppers than any ethnic group..

[castek]

i have written letters to them, to my local mp, and to the local cop shop. do you think i even got an aknowledgement?
They dont care whats done to the car, or whose driving. if its a chance to raise some more revenue, they will take it. i do agree, however, that if your car has illegal mods, that dont comply with adr's and the such, then your car should be taken off the road. Your not only running the risk of injuring yourself, but you could injure/kill someone else. how would you like to live through that?

The thing that ****es me off is they got a middle eastern unit, how about getting an asian unit down here in melbourne, the ammount of drugs and car thefts done by them are sky rocketing.

no matter what race, there will always be that minority that cause trouble, we just gotta learn to live with it i guess

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by ltd

Before you get on your high horse and start trying to lecture me, I'd remind you that you don't live in NSW, and you don't know the problems we have confronted here. I would not be so presumptuous as to lecture you on the problems Melbourne faces, as I do not experience it and therefore am not qualified to make judgements based on what I hear.
Where in my post have I said that all and I mean all Middle Easterners are exclusively a problem? If you wish to play solely on words then there is much I can make of the quality of some posts here on this forum, and the apparent fact that many here; by word usage standards, seem not to have matriculated past pre-school.
I say Middle Easterners as that is what the youth of this community refer to themselves as, and is the way they are identified as a group by TT. As we were talking about the groups identified by TT, I thought that an explanation wasn't necessary. For the critics; a big sorry to you all.

I highlighted the point that their community is facing problems. This is not new, their leaders have come out and said the same thing.
The fact that there is established ghetto's in and around Sydney of this particular ethnic extraction is nothing new either. The inherent problems of one community living together and not living amongst others has served to isolate them from the mainstream, as well as create fear and supposition on both sides.
This concept again, has been mentioned repeatedly by their leaders as being a root cause of the problem. Furthermore, higher than average unemployment has seen the proliferation of drugs and drug related crime/turf wars within this community and resulted in many a drive by shooting, murder in a public place and generally woeful amounts of unabated crime going unchecked; as lawyers and loose judges have effected most offenders being let off.
This has only compounded the problem.

If you would like to contribute in an informed way, I suggest you actually speak to someone who hails from Sydney before you begin with the oversensitive self serving PC crap that seems to effortlessly emanate from your computer to the forums.

And reading in between the lines, you seem to have a problem with every single thing that I have said in any given forum. I suggest you get a can of Mortein, drop your draws, bend over and spray for 30 seconds to kill the bug that is hiding up your ***.
And no witty little emoticon either, as a battle of wits is unfair when the battle is engaged against an unarmed man.

I apologise unreservedly if I have offended you in anyway.

I support your right to express whatever opinion you wish.

You seem to take any differance of opinion to your own as a personal attack, this is not the case.

My comments were in response to yours, but in the context of the thread, nothing personal mate.

I was making a point about racism, which is a universal problem.

Don't want to play with the word so from "The Collins Australian Pocket Dictionary"

Racism:n. 1 discriminatory, oppressive, abusive, or aggressive behaviour towards people because they belong to a different race. 2. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority.-'racist or 'racialist n,adj.

I have lived in and visited many places around the world, including Sydney and the Middle East. In my experience racism is a negative force where ever it appears. Making it about "Us" and "Them", when we are all born in the same country is not a recipe for a harmonious community IMHO.

Attacking me personally does nothing to strengthen whatever opinion you are trying to express :

As an "Anglo-celt" with many years spent hanging around drag strips, I know "the wogs have the fastest cars". :

[Des]

Originally Posted by ltd

Guys the reason for the MEO is that the Middle Easterners in Sydney have become a real big problem. For the last ten years we've had a state government with it's head in the sand and now there's an election coming up we have a chance of getting something done about it. Racism comes from both sides too, so it's not ozzies ganging up on others. Live in Sydney for a while and you too will see the problems with this group and in particular the anti social behaviour/crime that follows them around.

Hands up those that live in the Bankstown District? I do, and believe me, MEO is needed. It's not a racist thing, same as we needed and got other specialist crime gang squads. There are a lot of "anti-social" elements around the district that ruin it for the majority of the community. One of the biggest problems is how scared some sections of the community are to notify/name someone about these clowns. Unfortunate, but true....

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by 1tufel

The thing that ****es me off is they got a middle eastern unit, how about getting an asian unit down here in melbourne, the ammount of drugs and car thefts done by them are sky rocketing.

I believe they actually disbanded the Asian Squad recently, there was one but I don't think there is anymore.

There are so many issues that the average citizen can say "wtf are the police/government doing?"

Like (Melbourne):

* Numerous stations with Moonee Ponds & Stkilda in particular have at least 5-6 cars out the front at ANY TIME - why ? waste of $$ ? why not used ?

* TMU units who don't always wish to attend MVA's leaving it to tie up critical local divisional vans

* Boundary areas - some crimes 2 km from the local police station wait up to 30 minutes because its in another stations area which could be up to 10 km away.. etc etc

With regards to the MEO - it looks like the TT special was more of a publicity stunt and while it raised some good issues it hasn't really solved anything. Handing out tickets and taking cars away WILL NOT fix anything, just excerbate the problem IMHO.

[clontarf_x]

P.S The girl on the previous page is *not* hot...

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by djjase

I have been doing up cars since I was 14, its about time the cops spend more time catching the real crims like murderers, robbers, rip off artholes, those ripping of the tax payers etc.

Ask any traffic cop and he will tell you that they attend more MVA than any other crime.
The truth of the matter is that the majority of people who have "done up cars aren't angels on the road.

On another point, why would T/T go along to any street club meetings and do a story on "enthusiasts"
If it was a planned story, we would all be on our best behavior.
by 1Tufel's own admission, T/T took stuff from the commies website, But if they hadn't done whatever they aired they would have nothing to show.

Middle Easterners= Victim's of tall poppies syndrome. They are at the top of the food chain and we all want to cut them down.
No different to the Cabramatta/asian problem 15 years ago.
Now lets ask ourselves why they are at the top!
I remember my old man tellin me 25 years ago that Aussie kids have no drive and other nationalities prepared to work for next to nothing will take over our jobs and our country.
While the majority of us easy goin aussies were waitin in line for our fortnightly dole cheques, Hard working foreigners were scraping every cent together to build a life for their families.
Now we have a generation of kids that are given everything that they want because their hard working parents are proud of them and wish to show their own kids a life they could never get in thier homelands.
And where does that leave the rest of us?
Whingin that some 17 year old ethnic kid has a hot car that we could never afford.
So what do we do? We cut the tall poppy down!

[banarcus]

Thats a pretty good point BENT 8 but doesn't apply to each and every situation. Something that the mainstream media like TT and ACA love doing and I agree with you 100%.

I agree that the foreigners to work hard and work all the overtime and generally have a good work ethic however the MEO wouldn't be targeting those hard workers who landed on our shores 25 years ago to forge a new life. The MEO targets the children of those hard workers who are generally in the same group as those who wait in the queues for their dole, deal in drugs, murder others, bash others, rape others etc etc. Any person who is offended by percieved connotations of MEO has thin skin and has been brought up revering political correctness.

[EDManual]

yeah, thats funny... it just goes in your tank just like normal fuel....

[The Yeti]

That said, I can't remember the last time a loose seat or worn inside edge tyres have hurt or killed someone. A brand new cheap tyre can be worse than a half worn good quality brand name tyre, especially in wet conditions

If theres belt hanging out its buggered plain and simple thats not being picky

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by banarcus

I agree that the foreigners to work hard and work all the overtime and generally have a good work ethic however the MEO wouldn't be targeting those hard workers who landed on our shores 25 years ago to forge a new life. The MEO targets the children of those hard workers who are generally in the same group as those who wait in the queues for their dole, deal in drugs, murder others, bash others, rape others etc etc. Any person who is offended by percieved connotations of MEO has thin skin and has been brought up revering political correctness.

I agree that the MEO wouldn't be targeting the older generation but it is the foundations set in place 25 years ago that give these ethnic groups access and funds to deal in these situations.
For years people have been taking these foriegners for granted and not giving them the respect they deserve. Now the children of these people, who have dealt with racial vilification for years, are standing up and fighting back.
The only difference is that now they have large numbers who through our own racist actions have been forced into sticking together and present as organised gangs which in turn lends weight to the term organised crime.
As for political correctness, I haven't seen the government do one politically correct thing to address the problem as there is no point shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.

[Des]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I agree that the MEO wouldn't be targeting the older generation but it is the foundations set in place 25 years ago that give these ethnic groups access and funds to deal in these situations.
For years people have been taking these foriegners for granted and not giving them the respect they deserve. Now the children of these people, who have dealt with racial vilification for years, are standing up and fighting back.
The only difference is that now they have large numbers who through our own racist actions have been forced into sticking together and present as organised gangs which in turn lends weight to the term organised crime.As for political correctness, I haven't seen the government do one politically correct thing to address the problem as there is no point shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.

I can't see how freely allowing legal immigrants into Australia with open arms and giving them full access to all the rights and privilages that all Australian citezens have, giving all a fair go when it comes to work/religon/cultural diversity etc.,etc., is racist. Infact, I've heard some argue the opposite. That by settling immigrants by their respective cultural backgrounds into "like" groups has only help to foster the long running fueds that plagued these same people in their original countries.
My wife and in-laws came to Australia as refugees, so I get to see and hear it straight from the horses mouth (so to speak). My father-in-law harbours a deep set resentment towards certain peoples, but has taken on the traditional Aussie value of, "give everyone a fair go", and has pushed it aside and loves this country because of that very fact.

It's a value we all need to live by and promote at all times....

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Des

I can't see how freely allowing legal immigrants into Australia with open arms and giving them full access to all the rights and privilages that all Australian citezens have, giving all a fair go when it comes to work/religon/cultural diversity etc.,etc., is racist. Infact, I've heard some argue the opposite. That by settling immigrants by their respective cultural backgrounds into "like" groups has only help to foster the long running fueds that plagued these same people in their original countries.
My wife and in-laws came to Australia as refugees, so I get to see and hear it straight from the horses mouth (so to speak). My father-in-law harbours a deep set resentment towards certain peoples, but has taken on the traditional Aussie value of, "give everyone a fair go", and has pushed it aside and loves this country because of that very fact.

It's a value we all need to live by and promote at all times....

Honestly mate i dont know who you are trying to kid, but if you think giving a person who has nothing a few worthless priviledges in exchange for years of psychological abuse will not lead to future problems then you are very much mistaken.
How do you say" give everyone a fair go " in Aborigine.
Go tell them that "cos you get the same priviledges as any white Australian" that you are not subject to a life time of racism.
If you think segregating people by race or religion doesn't cause unrest then you have had your head in the sand for years

[Auslandau]

ummm.....read original thread and get back on track!!!! Now we are talking about saying "sorry" to aborigines!!! On these topics everyone has a different opinion that will be taken out of context 'written' To jump on a racial opinion will always get those with agendas to start lecturing..........leave it alone;)



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[Des]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Honestly mate i dont know who you are trying to kid, but if you think giving a person who has nothing a few worthless priviledges in exchange for years of psychological abuse will not lead to future problems then you are very much mistaken.
How do you say" give everyone a fair go " in Aborigine.
Go tell them that "cos you get the same priviledges as any white Australian" that you are not subject to a life time of racism.
If you think segregating people by race or religion doesn't cause unrest then you have had your head in the sand for years

It seems that you have an axe to grind and nothing anyone else has to say will change that. You actually agree with me by, "If you think segregating people by race or religion doesn't cause unrest then you have had your head in the sand for years", as this is exactly what I had said.

How do you say" give everyone a fair go " in Aborigine. I actually believe that we have the Aboriginee to thank for this ethos, as it is a core value to their culture. Infact, to turn your brother away in their time of need is very very bad. Believe me, this has saved my bacon before....
Whether you believe it or not, everyone does infact have a shot at "making a go of it" here in this country, something that can't be said of all countries.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Honestly mate i don't know who you are trying to kid, but if you think giving a person who has nothing a few worthless privileges in exchange for years of psychological abuse will not lead to future problems then you are very much mistaken.
How do you say" give everyone a fair go " in Aborigine.
Go tell them that "cos you get the same privileges as any white Australian" that you are not subject to a life time of racism.
If you think segregating people by race or religion doesn't cause unrest then you have had your head in the sand for years

I know where you head has been of the last few years. Mate don't start some thing that you A/ can't substantiate and B/ know nothing about. This is not the place for a racial or political debate on this particular subject. I dont really give a S%#t what happens in NSW or who they do it to. If you do some thing wrong then pay the price. We are all guilty of breaking the law when it come to our cars in one way or another. Bj

[Des]

Originally Posted by auslandau

ummm.....read original thread and get back on track!!!! Now we are talking about saying "sorry" to aborigines!!! On these topics everyone has a different opinion that will be taken out of context 'written' To jump on a racial opinion will always get those with agendas to start lecturing..........leave it alone;)

Agreed, I'm leaving it here.
Thanks.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Des

It seems that you have an axe to grind and nothing anyone else has to say will change that. You actually agree with me by, "If you think segregating people by race or religion doesn't cause unrest then you have had your head in the sand for years", as this is exactly what I had said.

How do you say" give everyone a fair go " in Aborigine. I actually believe that we have the Aboriginee to thank for this ethos, as it is a core value to their culture. Infact, to turn your brother away in their time of need is very very bad. Believe me, this has saved my bacon before....
Whether you believe it or not, everyone does infact have a shot at "making a go of it" here in this country, something that can't be said of all countries.

I dont have an axe to grind with you or anybody else on here but i just believe that when stories like this are presented with a certain segment of the population stereo typed as the typical suspects it makes me angry.
Pointing the finger at Middle Eastern people will only enrage the situation as these people are not stupid and know that you dont have to be Lebonese or something similar to be a car hoon.
I see it as just another form of racism
My other point is that we only have our selves to blame for this situation because if it was made harder for people to bludge years ago we would all be on a even playing field. you cant go around doing SFA all your life and then whinge when someone has more than you and try to pull them down to satisfy our own conscience

[BJ]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I don't have an axe to grind with you or anybody else on here but i just believe that when stories like this are presented with a certain segment of the population stereo typed as the typical suspects it makes me angry.
Pointing the finger at Middle Eastern people will only enrage the situation as these people are not stupid and know that you don't have to be Lebanese or something similar to be a car hoon.
I see it as just another form of racism
My other point is that we only have our selves to blame for this situation because if it was made harder for people to bulge years ago we would all be on a even playing field. you cant go around doing SFA all your life and then whinge when someone has more than you and try to pull them down to satisfy our own conscience

We could have stopped all of this years ago with the white Australia policy. But that my Friend is another story all together. If you want to educate people you first have to educate the educators, which in this instant are the ones who make the rules. The only thing that has come out of all this is that none of us like it but none of us are prepared to do anything about it. I have in the past tried to get events together for the media and have been turned down flat because it was not newsworthy. The sooner we learn that theses rules are here to stay the better of we all will be. Now i think we all need to get over this and move on. bj