Teen critical after road-spike crash - Page 3

red_hotxr6 · 01-12-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

another wonderfull american invention. and as most of them designed to be "SAFE"...

now dont get me wrong....what those kids where doing is stupid and wreckless. but spikes....come on... there has to be other Methods....

Actually i thought it was an kiwi invention>

Wally · 01-12-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

What a load of

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There is always one

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yes, luckily for you and the other drongos, there are mature, educated people out here who counter balance the ignorants. The morbid satisfaction at knowing someone has either been killed or maimed is nothing short of primitive thinking. No doubt if these boys were wayward bothers of yours, you would be howling for vengeance, but you are the type who console themselves that no brother of yours would be that way, even though you indicate a low level of civic duty in your comments.

Oh and another motorcyclist was killed when he hit a tree yesterday while being pursued in NSW. That should be good for a belly laugh don't you think? Serves him right.

AWD Chaser · 01-12-2006, 09:32 AM

Pfftt... As much as I like the occasional winge at the cops... I think they did right here.... this tool could have stolen a car with retreads on it, gone over 130kph and had alot worse happen to him... or someone else.... bottom line is - cops stopped the bad guy... thats their job....

GCFordChic · 01-12-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

yes, luckily for you and the other drongos, there are mature, educated people out here who counter balance the ignorants. The morbid satisfaction at knowing someone has either been killed or maimed is nothing short of primitive thinking.

So because we are glad the police intervened and prevented a possible collision with an innocent person we are ignorant drongos that are immature and uneducated? :yeees:

I have no satisfaction that the idiots were hurt, but i would NEVER defend them and suggest the police were using ridiculous measures to do their job and catch criminals! I am happy the police are doing things to PROTECT the community from selfish, small-minded, idiotic, arrogant and dangerous criminals.

While you are at it, i think Saddam needs someone out there defending him by suggesting it is everyone else's fault.

pb02 · 01-12-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

yes, luckily for you and the other drongos, there are mature, educated people out here who counter balance the ignorants.

As I said in my previous post, it's always the minority that ***** and get their way..... and it's very obvious that you are that minority.

Since you are apparently the only mature person here, what would your suggestions be??? Do you honestly think that if we let criminals run free all the time they will turn themselves in??? I would love to hear your logic on this??

Sledgehammer · 01-12-2006, 09:57 AM

They're actually lucky they didnt get shot at by the police up their in shepparton .......wouldn't be the first time.

Redrum · 01-12-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

another wonderfull american invention. and as most of them designed to be "SAFE"...

now dont get me wrong....what those kids where doing is stupid and wreckless. but spikes....come on... there has to be other Methods....

Spikes are the first and thus far only resolution strategy used by Victoria Police for pursuits. They are designed to deflate the tyres, not blow them out. The sticks are hollow metal tubes, sharpened ends inside their containments. When a vehicle's tyre hits one, it is supposed to deflate the tyre over about 15 seconds so not to cause an accident. But Vic Pol policy still only allows their use on open road.

photn · 01-12-2006, 10:02 AM

come on guys lets no let this get into a sledging match (no pun intended sledghammer) lets keep on topic otherwise the thread will be closed...

Redrum · 01-12-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

I bet there are a couple of cops now who had a smug idea initially, but are wishing they hadn't been so clever. They may have no remorse over their daily revenue raising from average mum and dad, but this one will probably cause them a few nightmares when they realise what a grave risk they put those boys in...... and trust me, when you are much older you realise that at 18 they are still impulsive children.

I am happy to say, you don't have a clue!!

XR Martin · 01-12-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

yes, luckily for you and the other drongos, there are mature, educated people out here who counter balance the ignorants. The morbid satisfaction at knowing someone has either been killed or maimed is nothing short of primitive thinking. No doubt if these boys were wayward bothers of yours, you would be howling for vengeance, but you are the type who console themselves that no brother of yours would be that way, even though you indicate a low level of civic duty in your comments.

Oh and another motorcyclist was killed when he hit a tree yesterday while being pursued in NSW. That should be good for a belly laugh don't you think? Serves him right.

Nothing like using insults and abuse to try and get a point across, shows how poorly educated and ignorant you are. You really dont do yourself any favours buy resorting to such.

Smoke Pursuit · 01-12-2006, 10:40 AM

least u got the right user name, Ya WALLY.

Wally · 01-12-2006, 10:45 AM

Ah, but unlike you I do have a clue. Nonsense logic that a guy in a stolen car coulda, shoulda, woulda is all just speculation.

If we are so hell bent on throwing up red herrings on injury to third parties, what about the police pursuing the bloke at 170 kph on a road that is also being used by other motorists? What if this guy was travelling at 170 kph and he hit a car coming the other way at 100 kph? The only reason he was doing that speed in the first place is that he was trying to escape. They may not be the sharpest pencil in the pack, but cops like any driver know that speed kills. If I went out and threw a spiked strip in front of a moving car that was packed with suspected thugs, killers and terrorists I would be hauled before the courts and prosecuted for a dangerous act, not withstanding the fact the victims hadn't been successfully prosecuted through the courts and found guilty.

It's not an issue of whether the young guys committed a crime of stealing a car, it's an issue of how much you value someone's life and how quick people are to applaud the unnecessary taking of it. Police aren't allowed to take a thug who has just raped and beaten an 80 year old pensioner and kill him, yet they are allowed to create an environment that encourages the death and serious injury of a lout that has stolen a piece of inanimate metal and create a dangerous situation for all the other drivers sharing the strip of bitumen.

Even on this forum we have members who make wholesale changes to their vehicles and don't get the necessary permits. I know in my case I am apparently the first guy in Qld to get the proper road transport approval in shoe horning a 302 into an XP. Does that mean every member here that has broken the rule of law, posted here that they have a problems with their brakes, but continued to drive, had engine problems, but continued to drive etc must be severely dealt with and mocked by his peers? Maybe it does, but I don't think so.

Wally · 01-12-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

least u got the right user name, Ya WALLY.

Well gee how long it it take you figure that one liner out... I thought of it first you dill.

Auslandau · 01-12-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

If we are so hell bent on throwing up red herrings on injury to third parties, what about the police pursuing the bloke at 170 kph on a road that is also being used by other motorists? What if this guy was travelling at 170 kph and he hit a car coming the other way at 100 kph? The only reason he was doing that speed in the first place is that he was trying to escape.

Oh please! Really?

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Grouse! So if I do something silly in my car now, I only have to travel at 80KPH in a 60 zone and I wont be caught! Bring it on!

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pb02 · 01-12-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

It's not an issue of whether the young guys committed a crime of stealing a car, it's an issue of how much you value someone's life and how quick people are to applaud the unnecessary taking of it. Police aren't allowed to take a thug who has just raped and beaten an 80 year old pensioner and kill him, yet they are allowed to create an environment that encourages the death and serious injury of a lout that has stolen a piece of inanimate metal and create a dangerous situation for all the other drivers sharing the strip of bitumen.

It's an issue of taking responsibility for your actions! The CRIMINAL creates a dangerous situation for EVERYONE when they decide to break the law and also run.
The Police called of the chase AFTER they reached speeds of up to 170km/per hour. They have done the responsible thing by the public.

You have yet to come up with any other ideas on how the Police should deal with this situation?!?!?!!?!?

XR Martin · 01-12-2006, 10:59 AM

So since you believe the police are creating the environment for criminals to run, not the fact these people dont want to get caught at any price. Then using that same logic, you would also believe that a girl wearing skimpy clothing is also creating the environment for her to be raped, not the fact the criminal is a low life piece of shit.

But in effect you are right, without police, criminals wouldnt need to run - they could do whatever they want, because they know there is no fear of prosecution. But again using your logic, there wouldnt be crime if there wasnt police, because police are creating the environment for crime.

Also if someone is running from the police on foot, should they pursue? The criminal could injure and perhaps even kill someone while trying to escape through a busy footpath or shopping centre. So again using your logic, they shouldnt pursue, because other people may be at risk.

gozza · 01-12-2006, 11:04 AM

Wally...your theory regarding the criminals speeding that fast to get away from the cops is just a vicious circle

the cop didn't say "hey lets play chasies"...the crims actions justified police inquisistion....they chose to speed off...

GCFordChic · 01-12-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

Ah, but unlike you I do have a clue. Nonsense logic that a guy in a stolen car coulda, shoulda, woulda is all just speculation.

If we are so hell bent on throwing up red herrings on injury to third parties, what about the police pursuing the bloke at 170 kph on a road that is also being used by other motorists? What if this guy was travelling at 170 kph and he hit a car coming the other way at 100 kph? (1) The only reason he was doing that speed in the first place is that he was trying to escape. (2) They may not be the sharpest pencil in the pack, but cops like any driver know that speed kills. (3) If I went out and threw a spiked strip in front of a moving car that was packed with suspected thugs, killers and terrorists I would be hauled before the courts and prosecuted for a dangerous act, (4) not withstanding the fact the victims hadn't been successfully prosecuted through the courts and found guilty. (5)

It's not an issue of whether the young guys committed a crime of stealing a car, it's an issue of how much you value someone's life and how quick people are to applaud the unnecessary taking of it. Police aren't allowed to take a thug who has just raped and beaten an 80 year old pensioner and kill him (6) , yet they are allowed to create an environment that encourages the death and serious injury of a lout that has stolen a piece of inanimate metal and create a dangerous situation for all the other drivers sharing the strip of bitumen. (7)

So you seriously cannot see that your argument is flawed?!

1. The precise reason the strips were used was to prevent them having a collision with anyone else.

2. They were not going 170km/hr because the cops were chasing, they were going that speed because they stole a car and did not want to get caught.

3. So now you're insulting the cops that were out there risking being hit by this speeding vehicle to protect you, your family and the rest of the community?

4. You have not been trained and are not a member of the police force. They have the power to do so, you do not.

5. VICTIMS

I guess if the police could have made them steer towards a drive-through court then all would be well. The police had to stop the offenders before they can take them to court!!

6. No, but they are allowed to arrest and detain a suspect.

7. They are reducing the danger to other motorists and stopping the stolen vehicle in a way that is the least dangerous to the police and the criminals themselves. The crim could not handle the vehicle. Not the police's fault.

Was the car travelling at 170km/hr when it hit the strips, or was that just the highest speed the pursuit got to so they called it off? I read it thinking that the pursuit got to 170km/hr, the police called it off, and put strips on the road where the theif was heading. By the time the crim went over the strips i doubt they were at that speed. So the crim lost control at, what, around 110km/hr? I dont know that area.

Ultimately, the other option was to let them get away.

We all have to deal with the consequences of our actions. It was their actions that caused this event to occur.

Laminge · 01-12-2006, 11:12 AM

Amazing how quickly arguments change, apart from being bloody amusing, it just goes to show how pathetic the original argument was.

Wally · 01-12-2006, 11:20 AM

[QUOTE=GCFordChic]So you seriously cannot see that your argument is flawed?!

1. The precise reason the strips were used was to prevent them having a collision with anyone else. Is that so... you know this to be true?

2. They were not going 170km/hr because the cops were chasing, they were going that speed because they stole a car and did not want to get caught. Really... you have the facts that he was doing 170 kph prior to the police pursuit?
3. So now you're insulting the cops that were out there risking being hit by this speeding vehicle to protect you, your family and the rest of the community? So it's ok to egg a frightened and agitated driver up to 170 kph on a road that is built for 100 kph and missing vehicles coming the other way by a couple of feet?
4. You have not been trained and are not a member of the police force. They have the power to do so, you do not. Tell that to the commissions that are currently holding an inquiry into these matters and the Qld coroner who damned the practice, resulting in new procedures in this state. I guess a coroner wouldn't know anything about unecessary deaths.
5. VICTIMS

I guess if the police could have made them steer towards a drive-through court then all would be well. The police had to stop the offenders before they can take them to court!! The police are the enforcemnt arm of the law... they are not the law and are supposed to serve and protect. The courts have jurisdiction over guilt and innocence.

6. No, but they are allowed to arrest and detain a suspect. Exactly and they are not allowed to use undue force.

7. They are reducing the danger to other motorists and stopping the stolen vehicle in a way that is the least dangerous to the police and the criminals themselves. The crim could not handle the vehicle. Not the police's fault. So you reckon you could handle a strip suddenly being thrown out in front of you, puncturing your tyres and send the car into an incontrollable slide?

Was the car travelling at 170km/hr when it hit the strips, or was that just the highest speed the pursuit got to so they called it off? That is one of my first points.. the 170 kph is media hype to make it sound more thrilling I read it thinking that the pursuit got to 170km/hr, the police called it off, and put strips on the road where the theif was heading. By the time the crim went over the strips i doubt they were at that speed. So the crim lost control at, what, around 110km/hr? I dont know that area.

Ultimately, the other option was to let them get away. yes and you know thecops have a pretty good rate of arrest in catching up with the felons in this circumstance

We all have to deal with the consequences of our actions. It was their actions that caused this event to occur. Well I guess the public should be warned that if you steal a car you have a pretty good chance of being killed by zealous police [/QUOTE]

GCFordChic · 01-12-2006, 11:23 AM

Seriously Wally, you are a fool if you believe this was the fault of the police officers.

gozza · 01-12-2006, 11:27 AM

your also missing the point that because they stole the car the cops chased them

the cops didn't force them to speed off

**Raptor** · 01-12-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wally

...the public should be warned that if you steal a car you have a pretty good chance of being killed by zealous police ....

Best comment you've made so far

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They used to hang horse thieves, why that ever changed with the car I dunno

4Vman · 01-12-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Best comment you've made so far

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They used to hang horse thieves, we that ever changed with the car I dunno

Sends a strong message doesnt it...., DONT run from the cops. Its terrible a life is in the balance, but you CANT condone it by letting them go, nor can you lay any blame on the POLICE for simply doing their job, in fact i can sympathise with the Police involved for having to deal with this rediculous event in the first place.
I hope the parents are hauled over this too.

mcnews · 01-12-2006, 11:36 AM

Personally I would fit the copper choppers with stinger missiles and blow the car up with the thieves inside. With the money saved in court costs etc. by the poor person who had their car stolen a brand new one out of the public purse and pay for the funerals of the thieves.

**Polyal** · 01-12-2006, 11:56 AM

Wally = most apt username on the site!

GXL078 · 01-12-2006, 12:05 PM

So you put a 302 ina an XP. Big deal they came out with V8s in the States anyway. At least 289s. You should become a Liberal polititican, you are conservative enough. Sir Wally.

XR6_661 · 01-12-2006, 12:29 PM

Serves the little bastards right.

People, I swear, are just stupid these days.

You steal a car, you crash...YOUR FAULT!! How hard is it for people to come to grips with it. The police were just doing their job.

In saying that, I suppose the media are doing their job as well.

I'm sick of people always passing the buck.

MAGPIE · 01-12-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

No doubt if these boys were wayward bothers of yours, you would be howling for vengeance, but you are the type who console themselves that no brother of yours would be that way

Not at all, I'd be disapointed with what they had done and I'd be greatly relieved that they hadn't harmed an innocent party. I would also have no sympathy whatsover.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

MAGPIE · 01-12-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

The morbid satisfaction at knowing someone has either been killed or maimed is nothing short of primitive thinking

: Where did I say anything like that

In my job I have to clean up the mess, idiots like these leave behind, and I take no satisfaction when I have to hose there sticky body parts of the tarseal !