US Elections - Boring or Important to Aust?

[CAT600]

Have a read of the actual E.O.'s that Trump has signed since the 20th:

https://www.federalregister.gov/exec...ald-trump/2017

Although the "Refugee Ban" is still not a signed E.O. it is legal and once it gets passed (after some adjustment it would seem) this will be the intent in wording of it, as supplied by the Whitehouse. (This is a NYT article but the layout they were provided is consistent with the EO layout mentioned above).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/u...rump.html?_r=0

Perhaps some time should be spent by people (not just here but anyone across the globe thats watching CNN or reading the Sydney Morning Herald) to see what has actually been signed in, its purpose and objectives before jumping to media inspired hysterical reporting.

I mean after all, being objective requires us to go straight to the point of origin and THEN begin to dissect for intent and function. You probably all know that these E.O.'s can be challenged by the SCOTUS approval which is a panel of supreme court judges.

Its not Nazi Germany in case anyone thought otherwise.

Daniel

[Hippy]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Sorry, did you stumble in here by accident?

not a stumble , and not sorry , just the truth , !
accidents don't happen , they are made ..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Hippy

not a stumble , and not sorry , just the truth , !
accidents don't happen , they are made ..

I think what FairmontGS meant was that this thread is about the US President, not Australian issues.

Just as a matter of interest, are you posting from your phone?

[BENT_8]

Well if you want my opinion I personally love the fact that Trump is President.

Not because I share any of his views or support any of his policies, no, I like him simply because it ****** some of you lot off...lol

[Hippy]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

I think what FairmontGS meant was that this thread is about the US President, not Australian issues.

Just as a matter of interest, are you posting from your phone?

no , home PC .

was merely a comment that US issues have become , somewhat more important than what we have on our own doorstep here .

no offense intended , thanks for the clarification GasOlane ..

i'll try ta stay on track ..

[PridenJoy]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

This,

I find Al Jazeera to be really good but also use BBC World frequently. I spend about two to three hours media watching each day because of my job and these two i consider as the most reliable. It's funny how we think something here is big news and it's not even on the radar in world news.

Al Jazzera is owned by Qatar. This shows in most of their 'reporting'.

[CoupeKing]

Don't know a great deal about this, but sounds good!

BYE BYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpW3OwjR_c

[Peterwl]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Don't know a great deal about this, but sounds good!

BYE BYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgpW3OwjR_c



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Great to hear, a public servant being sacked for not doing their job !

If only or politicians here had the testicles to do this, especially in education departments and universities ( in NSW anyway )

This would not have happened in the 8 years of the previous administration.

As a bit of trivia, I think that the last time such a thing happened in Australia was when prime Minister Paul Keating in about 1995 sacked Berni Frazer who was Governor of the Reserve Bank.

The Reserve Bank was supposed to be at "arms length" from the Government.

Berni opened his mouth to the media contradicting the PM, so Keating sacked him very publically.

I do remember Keating's words to the screaming media when they pounced on him, were , "He works for me"

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

Yes, you are definitely an ABC viewer !

Yep and proud of it too what's more...Best show on TV is Q&A...

[roddy1960]

Ford Man XF....I'll give you a tip.. Before you reply to a comment , at least read it in context.. I wasn't 'literally' using 99.9% as a stat , pedophile priest thing was an absurd comparison/ example only ..I never mentioned the bible or anything similar and so on and so on. I don't understand your comments there at all.. . It was an Australian terrorist expert commenting , not any extremist group .. Moderates means , normal , average , everyday people..
Trump's actions are not helping and only inciting hatred both Islamic and Christian..
Hatred goes both ways..Just look at what happened in Canada , one of the world's safest countries..Tell me that wasn't just as bad ..
READ IT AGAIN CORRECTLY..

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Yep and proud of it too what's more...Best show on TV is Q&A...

What a broad church AFF is! I'm an ABC watcher as well but the TV is firmly switched off before Q&A starts - nothing makes me cuss more than that show. It's just a talkfest of thought-bubblers.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

Do you ever have anything intelligent to say or add to a discussion ?

Perhaps the line under your Forum name says it all.

PS I did have a look at that site, looks OK, not the worst one I have seen.

I thought you'd like it

[Burnout]

Trump is just another blade on the windmill of time and not worth the worry. Come to think of it, I have never heard of a politician who was worth a zac anyhow....
Dont worry, be happy..... Wonder who said that, they were smarter than a whole bunch of you lot.

[Beastie]

There has been some great discussions / debate happening since my last post, so for a little bit of an interlude during the dinner break...



Edit: Copyright belongs to Cav the 'Chick Magnet'

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Beastie

There has been some great discussions / debate happening since my last post, so for a little bit of an interlude during the dinner break...

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Edit: Copyright belongs to Cav the 'Chick Magnet'

You are a very bad man!

[Davehoos]

My boss told me today that he not booked his 2nd American Trip due to the instability and riots. He was quoting reports that 90% of the population had gone nuts and rule of law had broken beyond repair.

He is a lefty and I think he must have turned on a living dead/ zombie TV drama confusing it for American mainstream news network.

[Davehoos]

I once wrote a complaint about the quality of a program on the ABC.

Jamie Olivers first show slipped in instead of a Australian production of Bush Mechanics.

They replied with a Chirpy response I should have saved. With a timetable of when I should get off my fat arseand go for a run-as they are happy to have payed top dollar for such a great production.

[FPV8U]

Funny, last I watched ABC would likely have been bush mechanics during high school

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by Beastie

There has been some great discussions / debate happening since my last post, so for a little bit of an interlude during the dinner break...

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Edit: Copyright belongs to Cav the 'Chick Magnet'

This explains SO much..

[roddy1960]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...s_Constitution ...Migrants, asylum seekers or refugees, visa holders , visitors or not..how does this not apply or do you have to be a U.S. citizen first ? Is that why Trump can do that ? Even so what about Freedom of speech.

So he sacks one of his new administration for speaking her mind (who knew , someone with a conscience )..Good one Donny Boy
THEN... there's freedom of the press and he keeps crapping on about how they're biased against him , while he uses it though to mock people, the hypocrite.

Now the Poms don't want him to visit and they'll take just about anybody.

Read it (the link) before bagging me..Do me that courtesy before shooting me down in flames again...Tell me why I'm naive or stupid enough to not get why this doesn't apply to the current ban and stuff associated with their Bill Of Rights..

Did you also notice one or two other countries are already retaliating by banning U.S visitors...Going to end in tears...

[roddy1960]

I GET IT.....after re reading the First Amendment stuff , missed it the first time , this coward is bypassing the Congress by signing off and hatcheting people via executive orders , something relentless Obama critics carried on about him to sneak stuff like this through..
Seems the Bill Of Rights stuff only applies necessarily via the Congress and Senate....
Too gutless to face Congress and Senators with it because it'd probably be shot down...WEAK TRUMPY WEAK...

[superyob]

Love the hypocrisy here roddy1960. When Obammy did exactly the same thing for longer, where were the snowflakes and their confected/rented outrage then???

http://www.xyz.net.au/straight-point...ars-hypocrisy/

[bingoTE50]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs

Been said before . Trump actually did it

[Cav]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7553341.html


Safe zone for refugees in the ME?

I didn't see that on the ABC.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3yesvvYEvs

Been said before . Trump actually did it

Trump 1988. A certain Willy Nelson song comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

[Squalo]

[Syndrome]

The Democrats and their supports are hypocrites:

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by ford man xf

Although I partially agree with you on this one, the severity of the crimes that "Apex" members are doing compared to what our lasagne & souvlaki eating friends of the 90's got up doesn't even come close.

It's all relative. If you go further back in time there were the razor gangs.

Many Middle Eastern countries have participated and continue participating in bombing the same places where these refugees are fleeing, how many refugees have they taken in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuge...rian_Civil_War

Regarding specifically Syrian refugees, 8 of the top 12 countries taking in these refugees are within the Middle East.

All those nations have adopted and have been heavily influenced by western values and culture and free market capitalism, which ironically is a western economic system. No mention of Saudi Arabia? Iran? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen? Libya? Syria? and the many other majority Muslim nations scattered around the world?

All the countries in the Middle East differ from each other. What kind of commentary do you want regarding all those others?

That's the ironic hypocrisy of it all, here are all these people protesting their utter hatred of the west; its values, its capitalist system, the secular state, our freedoms, heck its so bad in the west that so many people from those Middle Eastern counties among others want to come here, in fact they risk death to get here it's that bad here. And what's even more ironic a lot of the protest comes from within these western countries....

Time to put the tar brush down...

Protecting Australia's borders and enforcing the law will be a stain on Australia's legacy?

When refugees seeking asylum in Australia - which is a human right, which Australia is legally bound to honour - are dehumanised and held indefinitely in offshore detention, with murders and other preventable deaths occurring, this is something you *don't* believe is a stain on our legacy?

[mcflux]

PS - flying out to the Middle East tomorrow, I look forward to another 30 pages of discussion when I get back :-D

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

PS - flying out to the Middle East tomorrow, I look forward to another 30 pages of discussion when I get back :-D

Be safe...