FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by Bonn

was in the states week before last, and had a hire Camaro RS (Mustangs at Avis didn't have SatNav) and i must say, the paddle-shifters are a novelty, really.
The RS was dog-dick RED too, so a fun (temporary) excursion to the 'dark-side' :-)

We hired an SS Camaro in Hawaii, and the paddles were fun but a waste of time. Wouldn't even use them in the XR.

I thought that V8 sounded nice, until I heard a GT at full song one day and it changed my perception.

[PepeLePew]

The induced slur from our grandpa spec driving in the ZF does not represent it's capabilities

I disagree on the paddles.....they're too much looked at as a performance thing, to me it's convenience. I manual shift all the time with my ZF (as a manual driver trapped in a auto world), it'd be a helluva lot easier to do so with le paddles of power rather than remove le hand from le wheel. Modern auto's being so much fun to shift are a natural for it. Never thought I'd bother but the Miami is a treat to listen to and deserves a clutch really.

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

The induced slur from our grandpa spec driving in the ZF does not represent it's capabilities

I disagree on the paddles.....they're too much looked at as a performance thing, to me it's convenience. I manual shift all the time with my ZF (as a manual driver trapped in a auto world), it'd be a helluva lot easier to do so with le paddles of power rather than remove le hand from le wheel. Modern auto's being so much fun to shift are a natural for it. Never thought I'd bother but the Miami is a treat to listen to and deserves a clutch really.

Now that you mention it, it would be great to give it a shot. I enjoy smacking through the gears on my current ZF, I'm thinking the poor execution on the Camaro coloured my view. Any chance there is an aftermarket add-on with paddles?

[LoudPipes]

I’ve driven a few cars while in the US and Europe that were equipped with paddle shifts and the first thing you need to realise is, there are paddle shifts and there are paddle shifts.
It’s the same old story, you get what you pay for. I found the GM product to be slow to change when using paddles.

In saying that, most well set up cars will be quicker if you leave them to do the job for you.

Where the paddles really do come into their own is being able to hold gears while cruising.

You can hold a gear and maximise the engine and exhaust sound as you cruise through town, you also always have the power band right in the sweet spot for those moments when you give it a little extra stick with no kickdown required and in some of the Euro cars where the transmission rev matches on downshift, doing it manually with the paddles will increase the glorious sound of some engines.

I’d take a car with paddle shifts any day, you can always choose not to use them but when you want a little extra fun and driving input, they are there.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by FGX335

Now that you mention it, it would be great to give it a shot. I enjoy smacking through the gears on my current ZF, I'm thinking the poor execution on the Camaro coloured my view. Any chance there is an aftermarket add-on with paddles?

I think there is a thread somewhere by 'Datamine' where he converted a Bf FPV to flappy paddles.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

The question is will dealers price gouge XR8 like GTF and secondly will VF2 bring 317kw 6.2 standard in the redline

Let them fit the 6.2, the 335 will still smoke it.

[fgpsi]

The 317kw motor is complete garbage. Actually every GM motor offered in Aus is garbage apart from the LSA

[SensationFG8]

Holden do not have any possible way to match the XR8 unless they hurt the GTS.

They'd almost have to start offering walkinshaw SC packs as standard to even hope to meet the XR8 in battle.

[turbo4]

Does the XR8 have a Bi-Modal exhaust like the FPV V8s?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Holden do not have any possible way to match the XR8 unless they hurt the GTS.

They'd almost have to start offering walkinshaw SC packs as standard to even hope to meet the XR8 in battle.

Somehow I dont think Holden/HSV give a rats behind about the XR8.
The commodore SSV sedan / sportswagon will probably still outsell it 6 to 1.
XR8 will not be a volume seller , far from it, its numbers will be limited - it wont take sales away from anything.

Magazines like Wheels will still likely compare the XR8 to the GTS as they will want to compare the "current flagships" for performance. So it will probably be the same old story. The Ford will be the best BYFB bargain - the GTS will spank it every where else...... been done before - the love affair with the GTS will continue. In fact - they'll probably bag out the new falc interior for being almost identical to the outgoing FG2.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Let them fit the 6.2, the 335 will still smoke it.

I dare say that even if they fitted the LS7 in the VF SS, the BOSS 335 with R-Spec suspension would have its measure....

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I dare say that even if they fitted the LS7 in the VF SS, the BOSS 335 with R-Spec suspension would have its measure....

Why? When the GT-F was slower than the GTS around a track, 0-100 and over the 400m...
Has something else changed in the FG-X update?

Originally Posted by fgpsi

The 317kw motor is complete garbage. Actually every GM motor offered in Aus is garbage apart from the LSA

Of course they are.

[PepeLePew]

They're entitled to their opinion. If you disagree fair enough but lets not derail the thread yet again please.

[Cymrucaveman]

Was the Overboost feature on the GTF something that all 335 engines had, and Ford only decided to let the world know for the GTF? or was/is that specific to the 351 motor/tune?

I guess the question i'm asking is, if the new XR8 gets the same donk, will it get the overboost feature? If not, is that restricted by engine components or just the tune?

I'd also be interested to know about the Bimodal exhaust too...

Cheers.

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by Cymrucaveman

Was the Overboost feature on the GTF something that all 335 engines had, and Ford only decided to let the world know for the GTF? or was/is that specific to the 351 motor/tune?

I guess the question i'm asking is, if the new XR8 gets the same donk, will it get the overboost feature? If not, is that restricted by engine components or just the tune?

I'd also be interested to know about the Bimodal exhaust too...

Cheers.

Transient overboost is common to all of these SC engines that FPV developed. Some are saying that the power output could be up to 20% more than claimed. But due to the nature of the overboost, it can't be consistently delivered, and therefore they claim what the engine can do. I think it gives you up to 8 seconds of overboost.

For example, when one of the mags did the GTS vs GTF dyno comparison, they had to run the GTF 6 times to the GTS's 3 times, because it just wasn't consistently hitting its numbers. But for a drag race to the death, you'll be sweet.

I'm hearing that this will have the bi-modal, and if so, I'll be disconnecting mine if I think it needs a ballsier sound.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by mcnews

The ZF is not all that ultra quick at all, definitely not in standard form anyway. It is nothing remotely like a proper DSG box or something worthy of paddle shift

And that's a god damn blessing, I've yet to drive any dsg box that can match the smoothness of a good conventional auto in stop/start traffic, which the majority of this countries population has to sadly endure.

[XR Martin]

I think you'll find its an underboost feature, not an overboost
It makes a minimum 335kw, but in ideal situations its making closer to 400kw.
If its 5 degrees then it will make 400kw all day no problems, however in 35degree+ days it will detune itself

[stevefreestyle]

Does anyone know if Ford have done or will do a video of the hand built Miami 335 engine production ???? similar to the FPV - www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPeYEG76ii8

[mattrobbo26]

Went down to the local dealer today put a deposit down on their first allocated xr8 auto in kinetic.

[FGX335]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Does anyone know if Ford have done or will do a video of the hand built Miami 335 engine production ???? similar to the FPV - www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPeYEG76ii8

It would pretty much be the same thing. The spy pic we saw of the first one undergoing testing looked like it was in the same rig as seen in that video. Only difference might be location and the people involved, but there could be more to it that only a true insider would know.

I'd love to see a similar video as to how the XR8 is built, including the engine build. I would watch that so much that the TV would have a Ford logo burned in, the disc would have holes in it from copping so much laser, and the power company would disconnect us due to usage and unpaid bills in the tens of thousands. Oh, and I'd probably lose my job as I forgot to go in for yet another week.

[Blem]

Back to paddles.
On the track with an XR6T or XR8, paddles will be by far more "user friendly" & slightly faster.
For general use with such a good box ( ZF ) it is **** factor.
I'd buy the XR8 in manual & the XR6T in auto if the car looked easier on MY eye

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Somehow I dont think Holden/HSV give a rats behind about the XR8.

Volume restriction aside, I don't see why Holden would be concerned about the XR8 anyway. The XR8 will be quick in a straight line, but these days for $55k it'll get murdered for not having more features. For the person buying it, it won't matter. But I don't think reviewers will say nice things.

And regarding the R Spec suspension tune, I've read a few comments saying it's going to give the XR8 the handling edge. I don't think these people appreciate how competent the Redlines are. Consider that in Motor Trend's testing, the SS Redline pulled the same figure eight track time as the all-new 2015 Mustang GT. Let that sink in for a minute. For being a rocket I think the new XR8 is the bargain of the century, but I don't expect it to win any reviews I'm afraid.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Was an impressive drawing. Both were sale as a pair for $900! Tempting to put up on the bar.

Just to put the pic up again as I had to take a snap of it ...... as I couldn't afford to buy it!

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They were priced at $350 each. When I arrived the sedan print was sold and I took a few minutes as to decide whether I would take the coupe one, only to some guy buying it.

[fgpsi]

Can you get the xr8 with the xr6t rims ?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Can you get the xr8 with the xr6t rims ?

Would depend if they fit over the Brembos, standard Ford alloys generally don't.

[Tbm1121]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Can you get the xr8 with the xr6t rims ?

Very interested to know this as I think the turbo wheels are the pick of The bunch.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Volume restriction aside, I don't see why Holden would be concerned about the XR8 anyway. The XR8 will be quick in a straight line, but these days for $55k it'll get murdered for not having more features. For the person buying it, it won't matter. But I don't think reviewers will say nice things.

Holden definitely won't be concerned about the sales volume competition but one thing will burn them, their SS will lose the "V8 performance crown" unless they drop in a "HSV engine".

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

They were priced at $350 each. When I arrived the sedan print was sold and I took a few minutes as to decide whether I would take the coupe one, only to some guy buying it.

Yep .... that would be correct. It was $900 for the 2 Mad Max prints which I also would have liked.

Wouldn't have minded that Cobra pic ...... but it wasnt for sale

[snajper]

Drove g6e ecoboost on Saturday that belongs to ford employee. Imho Looks better than xr6 due to aurion like rear rear spoiler etc..like some interior touches

[DFB FGXR6]

Would anyone know if the "8" in XR8 boot lid badge still be red on a Emperor coloured car or black like was for earlier XR8's?