Covid 19 -

[Citroënbender]

From what the GP I recently saw said, they’d be ecstatic if a pushy patient went elsewhere.

The NSW system can be “gamed” as the burden of proof for being a carer is not at all rigorous or required to be checked. I have heard directly - not anecdotally - of this occurring.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Nah it wasn't said is a nasty manner, just that they had one for him, and mum was supposed to get it before he did. I reckon GPs actually wouldn't mind if you went elsewhere, because the amount they get reimbursed from the Feds is barely enough to cover their cost

I was however a bit iffy with him shopping around, because they wouldn't have had his medical history, and he is the kind of person who can be a bit vague and not give all the important details sometimes. But, I have learnt, when a old fart wants to do something, you can't really stop them.

Dunno about covering costs,but I understand the Govt will pay the scheduled fee for injections.Trouble is so many doctors are too greedy to accept what is a pretty fair fee for 4 mins but want even more.No charity with most of the medical profession.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Dunno about covering costs,but I understand the Govt will pay the scheduled fee for injections.Trouble is so many doctors are too greedy to accept what is a pretty fair fee for 4 mins but want even more.No charity with most of the medical profession.

I think it's a flat fee that covers about 10 mins. On the surface it sounds OK, but the whole process takes more than that. You don't just drive in, get jab, then drive out.

You need to manage the appointments, the vaccine management, the consultation, then the after care. Some GPs are claiming that the consultation alone can take 15 to 20 mins for patients with a long medical history.

Basically they are running at a loss, but are willing to take the hit for the greater good.

[Tickford.]

Perth records positive community-transmitted coronavirus case on day one of lockdown

The WA Health Department has confirmed a positive COVID test result has been returned from a person within the community on day one of Perth's snap lockdown.

The man in his 40s presented for a COVID-19 test on Friday as he had gone to one of the locations visited by the COVID-positive Victorian case.

WA Health said the new positive case had attended the Kitchen Inn in Kardinya, but that all restaurants where cases had dined were "higher risk".

Anyone who went to any of the five restaurants listed on the Healthy WA website must get tested and self-isolate for 14 days from the date of their exposure.

The restaurants deemed "higher risk" are:

Morley: Kung Fu Kitchen April 21 5:00pm - 7:00pm

Northbridge: Good Fortune Roast Duck House, April 19, 5:00pm – 8:00pm

Northbridge: City China Garden, April 20, 5:00pm – 8:00pm

Northbridge: Fortune Five Chinese Restaurant, April 18, 5:30pm – 7:00pm

Kardinya: Kitchen Inn, 19/17-23 South Street, April 18, 12:00pm – 2:00pm

East Victoria Park: Anything La Corner, U5-6/910 Albany Highway, April 17, 5:30pm – 8:00pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...erth/100093168

[Tickford.]

No new local cases in the last 24 hours for VIC. Signs look good. So far anyway.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 24th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

30 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.069%.

1 new case and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.000% and active cases 33.

The UK had a lower 2,061 cases yesterday and 32 deaths.

Just over 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 853 deaths sees CMR at 1.787%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 147M, the last 1M in 1 day;
Global deaths pass 3.1M, the last 50k in 4 days;
Global cases set a new daily high of 897,839 (23/4);
Asia sets a new daily high of 485,859 cases (23/4);
India sets a new global record for daily cases (349,313);

Costa Rica (1,830);
Thailand (2,839); and
India (349,313)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while none drop below.

[FairmontGS]

Peter Dutton’s warning to Mark McGowan not to be like Dan Andrews after hotel quarantine COVID outbreak

Appearing on ABC Insiders on Sunday, Mr Dutton was asked about the WA outbreak took a swipe at Mr McGowan for his handling of hotel quarantine.

“(WA Premier) Mark McGowan has made a mistake with the Mercure Hotel; nobody is being critical of him for that and he doesn‘t need to be defensive,” Mr Dutton told the ABC.

“He doesn’t want to be the next Dan Andrews where (Victoria) had significant problems. (WA) has other hotels that have been perfectly fit for purpose.

“WA had already identified the Mercure was not fit for purpose. The lesson has been learnt and they can move on from that.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/pet...reak-c-2681464

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

A couple of cases and another lockdown in WA. Full blown overreaction of course.

The sooner people get jabbed we can avoid this ****.

Dude, that current was visiting a lot of places in 5 days, innocently potentially spreading the bs,
Suggest dont recommend something (without knowledge) when spread is in progress, and of course (??) jab is not there.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by russellw

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 24th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

30 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.069%.

1 new case and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.000% and active cases 33.

The UK had a lower 2,061 cases yesterday and 32 deaths.

Just over 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 853 deaths sees CMR at 1.787%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 147M, the last 1M in 1 day;
Global deaths pass 3.1M, the last 50k in 4 days;
Global cases set a new daily high of 897,839 (23/4);
Asia sets a new daily high of 485,859 cases (23/4);
India sets a new global record for daily cases (349,313);

Costa Rica (1,830);
Thailand (2,839); andIndia (349,313)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while none drop below.

Yes... Seems to have returned with a vengeance here!
The last week has seen 1800+ new cases per day Twice... (both are records)
As from Monday, driving restrictions are back!
(Odds & evens weekends + 9pm-5am curfew!)
Govcos reasoning behind this is to reduce motor accidents that inundated hospital system simply can’t cope with.. (IC beds are presently at 99% due to Covid)

[buggerlugs]

That this Government let an Indian National leave this country to attend a wedding in India, then comes back to Australia beggers belief.................

[LG17]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

That this Government let an Indian National leave this country to attend a wedding in India, then comes back to Australia beggers belief.................

The thing I don't understand is why we are basically not allowed to leave, it seems to be ok to allow others to come here.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by LG17

The thing I don't understand is why we are basically not allowed to leave, it seems to be ok to allow others to come here.

I know a few people that have left to live overseas in the past 8 months. They had no issues at all.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by cs123

I know a few people that have left to live overseas in the past 8 months. They had no issues at all.

Same. You can leave if you are planning to leave "permanently".

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

That this Government let an Indian National leave this country to attend a wedding in India, then comes back to Australia beggers belief.................

Find out who the person is, and it might not be so mind boggling I reckon. I bet it won't be a pleb like you or me.

Looks like the US have lifted the ban on vaccine raw materials to India. Good news. Some of the comments from Indian officials on social media have been interesting when the first request was rejected.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...0bb9d18abcc273

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by cs123

I know a few people that have left to live overseas in the past 8 months. They had no issues at all.

No problems at all if you have no plans to return, try booking a return and you will find plenty of hoops and hurdles

[Tickford.]

Update on the VIC situation:

Update: contact tracing
Work continues to test, trace and isolate individuals associated with the interstate acquired case announced Friday.

The individual’s 4 household and social contacts have tested negative.

There are 241 passengers of interest to Victoria from QF778. 135 have to date tested negative. Contact messages have been sent to everyone and follow-up contact tracing work continues.

The remainder of the flight’s passengers are in other states and have been formally referred to the relevant health authorities for their ongoing management.

10 airport staff are linked to the interstate acquired case. 6 have to date tested negative.

42 arrivals in Victoria have identified as having attended WA exposure sites and are also required to quarantine for 14 days. 32 have to date tested negative.

1,217 red zone permit holders have been contacted and advised of their obligation to get tested and quarantine for 14 days. 177 have to date returned a negative test.

Victorian health officials have contacted 9,308 people who are now considered orange zone arrivals advising them of their obligations to isolate and test. 867 have to date returned a negative test.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavi...-25-april-2021

Well done VIC DHHS. That is Gold Standard contact tracing right there.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

No problems at all if you have no plans to return, try booking a return and you will find plenty of hoops and hurdles

Looks like old mate had no problem coming back with a bride and Covid

https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...25718b6b610d12

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Looks like old mate had no problem coming back with a bride and Covid

https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...25718b6b610d12

The news is still new, I'll bet there is way more to this that has to come out yet.

My employer has organised a crew (11) to go to Singapore next month to pick up a ship and return to Darwin, the amount of carp they and the individuals have had to go through is mind boggling, so glad I'm on the opposite swing...

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Update on the VIC situation:

Update: contact tracing
Work continues to test, trace and isolate individuals associated with the interstate acquired case announced Friday.

The individual’s 4 household and social contacts have tested negative.

There are 241 passengers of interest to Victoria from QF778. 135 have to date tested negative. Contact messages have been sent to everyone and follow-up contact tracing work continues.

The remainder of the flight’s passengers are in other states and have been formally referred to the relevant health authorities for their ongoing management.

10 airport staff are linked to the interstate acquired case. 6 have to date tested negative.

42 arrivals in Victoria have identified as having attended WA exposure sites and are also required to quarantine for 14 days. 32 have to date tested negative.

1,217 red zone permit holders have been contacted and advised of their obligation to get tested and quarantine for 14 days. 177 have to date returned a negative test.

Victorian health officials have contacted 9,308 people who are now considered orange zone arrivals advising them of their obligations to isolate and test. 867 have to date returned a negative test.

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavi...-25-april-2021

Well done VIC DHHS. That is Gold Standard contact tracing right there.

yes good to see following the leader

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Same. You can leave if you are planning to leave "permanently".

Not true. The Federal government have always allowed ordinary Australian citizens to leave Australia, and arrive back, on compassionate grounds, business purposes, etc, etc. You have to provide proof, necessary documentation, etc, but it has been happening all along.

Here's a snippet from the Department of Home Affairs website for permanent residents:

Australians and permanent residents

If you are an Australian citizen or a permanent resident you cannot leave Australia due to COVID-19 restrictions unless you have an exemption. You can apply online but you must meet at least one of the following:

• your travel is as part of the response to the COVID-19 outbreak, including the provision of aid
• your travel is for your business/employer
• you are travelling to receive urgent medical treatment that is not available in Australia
• you are travelling outside Australia for a compelling reason for three months or longer
• you are travelling on compassionate or humanitarian grounds
• your travel is in the national interest

.

Read the full details here:
https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia


Yep, Morrison and his goons didn't even want to get involved when people wanted to cross state boarders on urgent medical grounds last year, when the state borders were closed (playing political games), but they allow people to leave the country to get married??

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by cs123

I know a few people that have left to live overseas in the past 8 months. They had no issues at all.

Where I am working ATM there is movement between AUS, UK and Asia. Not sure how they are finding the flights.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT April 25th, 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

10 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.067%.

0 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.000% and active cases 33.

The UK had a lower 1,712 cases yesterday and 11 deaths.

Just over 53k new cases in the USA yesterday and 741 deaths sees CMR at 1.787%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Asia passes 37M cases;
India passes 17M cases;
India sets a new global record for daily cases (354,531);

Only -

India (354,531)

... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while Poland and Azerbaijan drop below.

[Charliewool]

Western Bulldogs now 6-zip...
I think under humanitarian grounds it’s imperative that I can return for the grannie in Sept!
Quarantine preferences...Anglers Tavern or Westwaters... At a pinch Taylors Lakes hotel.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Not true. The Federal government have always allowed ordinary Australian citizens to leave Australia, and arrive back, on compassionate grounds, business purposes, etc, etc. You have to provide proof, necessary documentation, etc, but it has been happening all along.

Ah yes, sorry, I was meant to say it seems "easier" for you to leave if you are planning to leave "permanently". My cousin last year applied to leave, met a number of the conditions, but had declared he planned to come back after 3-4 months. First application was rejected. He waited a couple of months, then reapplied again, which was then approved. Weird.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Western Bulldogs now 6-zip...
I think under humanitarian grounds it’s imperative that I can return for the grannie in Sept!
Quarantine preferences...Anglers Tavern or Westwaters... At a pinch Taylors Lakes hotel.

As far as I'm aware, you don't need the government's permission to come back if you are a citizen or resident. If you can find a flight, you are free to come. You might not be able to get back to Costa Rica though

My bro in law recently flew back from the US and I don't think he needed to apply for anything. His biggest challenge was finding a seat without having to sell a kidney. Its the number of airline seats available that is holding things up. And that ultimately comes down to quarantine capacity.

[FairmontGS]

Greg Hunt has 'full confidence' in hotel quarantine system as Gladys Berejiklian calls on states to 'pull their weight'

Health Minister Greg Hunt said he has "full confidence" in the states' ability to manage hotel quarantine after NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian urged other states to pull their weight.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...8-c277b9b85ec1

Gladys Berejiklian says it's up to states to ensure hotel quarantine is safe as responsibility row intensifies

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has weighed in on the stoush between WA and the federal government over who is responsible for making the hotel quarantine system safer, saying the states have been tasked with managing the quarantine system since the start of the pandemic.

“It is the Commonwealth that decides what the cap is on Australians coming home... While there are obviously different responsibilities … it was made clear to us that the quarantine system was something the states had to look after," she told the media on Monday morning.

Ms Berejiklian said it was up to the states and territories to ensure their quarantine systems are as strong as possible, and it was "not healthy to have these blame games" whenever there are COVID-19 outbreaks.

“Once that decision was made New South Wales kicked into action and we got our police force to run the system," she said.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/gladys-b...ow-intensifies

Don't reduce arrivals, NSW tells WA

The NSW premier has discouraged Western Australia from reducing the number of returning Australians it hosts in hotel quarantine, saying the measure would increase NSW’s quarantine burden.

“We’ve been (taking) the overwhelming majority of people coming back to Australia through Sydney Airport,” Ms Berejiklian told reporters.

“I’d be very disappointed if, because of an incident, a premier decided they didn’t want to welcome as many people home, because it does put extra pressure on NSW ... these incidents are going to happen, we deal with it.

https://thewest.com.au/news/health/d...s-wa-c-2688776

[MITCHAY]

All the states have the same problems with quarantine but some just get on with it and others just want to offload onto others.

I agree that by now we should have proper dedicated facilities but that is the same ****en problem for everyone.

I should note that ACT is not going to take anymore flights since there are not that many ACT residents waiting. We will pay probably NSW to handle it.

[T3rminator]

McGowan is 10,000% correct but he ain't going to win this battle. So best to just cop the criticisms, keep calm and carry on.

We know the drill now. If/when there is leak, and its in the community, use the snap lock downs to give yourself time. It has worked every single time.

Ignoring cheap jibes coming out of a certain state tends to help too

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

All the states have the same problems with quarantine but some just get on with it and others just want to offload onto others.

I agree that by now we should have proper dedicated facilities but that is the same ****en problem for everyone.

Agree. History shows those who can do, and those who can’t lock down.

[EgoFG]

OK, I have a theory, purely me 'farting in the wind'.

What if the only thing that will actually stop this is herd immunity, whether through infection, or immunisation ? Sounds like a reasonable assumption.

Then what is the purpose of masks, physical distancing, lockdown ?
From an individual perspective It can only be to delay personal infection until personal vaccination or herd immunity or perhaps until there are more hospital beds available.
From a community perspective it can only be to wait for immunisation or manage the number in care.
The negative of more extreme masks, physical distance, lockdown is evident in India, and Michigan - we have pushed all the cases as far forward as the population can tolerate, and now we have a deferred uncontrolled explosion.

My postulation:
If
1) hospitals are not nearing any limit, and
2) the vulnerable are getting vaccinated, masking and lonely,
then, for everybody else, lets forget Masks, physical distance, lockdown. Allow naturally acquired herd immunity of the strong to grow.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

OK, I have a theory, purely me 'farting in the wind'.

What if the only thing that will actually stop this is herd immunity, whether through infection, or immunisation ? Sounds like a reasonable assumption.

Then what is the purpose of masks, physical distancing, lockdown ?
From an individual perspective It can only be to delay personal infection until personal vaccination or herd immunity or perhaps until there are more hospital beds available.
From a community perspective it can only be to wait for immunisation or manage the number in care.
The negative of more extreme masks, physical distance, lockdown is evident in India, and Michigan - we have pushed all the cases as far forward as the population can tolerate, and now we have a deferred uncontrolled explosion.

My postulation:
If
1) hospitals are not nearing any limit, and
2) the vulnerable are getting vaccinated, masking and lonely,
then, for everybody else, lets forget Masks, physical distance, lockdown. Allow naturally acquired herd immunity of the strong to grow.

That’s what the original plan was. Flatten the curve so the hospitals could keep things under control. The problem was managing that curve as the virus was so infectious.

But eventually that is what will happen. Vaccinations and infections should get us to herd immunity. The big question for me is the rate at which we are vaccinating. We are at risk of being left behind globally as other nations open up sooner. We won’t be ready.