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02-05-2021, 08:23 PM | #10441 | ||
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Just an observation, and I haven't gone back through old posts to confirm, but it seems that those who were generally supportive of the lock downs last year are now questioning the severity of the penalties for breaking the international travel ban on citizens. Vice versa, those who were generally critical of the lock downs are now supportive of the penalties applied for international travel. Not saying who is wrong or right.
Also here is an interesting article from BBC. The news of potential jail terms for returning citizens is getting some international attention. Interpret it anyway you like, positive or negative. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56953052 "So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament." There was a lot of media and public attention put towards the State Of Emergency that Victoria tried to extend last year through parliament, it seems this one snuck through without a mention. |
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02-05-2021, 08:28 PM | #10442 | |||
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02-05-2021, 08:54 PM | #10443 | ||
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They absolutely use it to trace people returning from interstate, my text message after returning from qld came from it. As for enforcing, 2 out of my last 5 flights had people at the gate checking
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02-05-2021, 09:13 PM | #10444 | ||
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My flights into Melbourne/Brisbane/Bundy on the 23rd were the first time i have not been met with checkpoints at the gate since March 2020.
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02-05-2021, 11:32 PM | #10445 | |||
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In the event of an emergency (wife’s elderly mum ain’t the best), we have virtually no hope of a return anytime soon. And if we did happen to snag one of the rare, exorbitantly priced seats out of the US, it is then illegal and virtually impossible for us to return here to our home! When we first moved here, airfares could be had for Au$1700 return... The world was such a small place! Those days are now gone forever, I suggest?
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03-05-2021, 12:01 AM | #10446 | ||
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I also cynically wonder just how much of the feds hardline stance with huge fines and possible gaol time is politically motivated/vote grabbing?
I say this after listening to 3AW talkback yesterday... Overwhelmingly, callers were of the opinion to slam shut Australian borders and not allow ANYONE back in... Gaol them, lock em up at Christmas Island... Reeks of the typical “Feck you Jack, I’m ok” attitude! These same hypocrites would be the first protesting and complaining to Aussie Government if their sons/daughters/mums/dads were stranded and unable to get back!
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03-05-2021, 01:41 AM | #10447 | ||
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One of the ironies in this, being that a poll by the Lowy Institute confirms your observed 3AW attitude.
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03-05-2021, 08:56 AM | #10448 | |||
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By bro in law recently came back from the US to visit his ill mum, US$3k return, but you add hotel quarantine on top of that which is AU$3k. He booked only a few weeks in advance as the illness was unexpected. Flew back out after a couple of weeks no problems. Just got news from my sister that they, as a family, managed to get a flight back from US to AU in July for US$2800 (one way). That is 2 adults and 2 kids. They will have to pay for quarantine on top of that, its a few Gs. They are always aware that it could get cancelled any time. I don't think there is any issues going back out if you are going back to live. But any other reasons, even if it meets the gov criterias, you may need to jump through a few more hoops. Those prices seem reasonable to me in this current situation. There are cheaper flights, but you have to transit through a few places making your trip 40hr+ Good luck! Last edited by T3rminator; 03-05-2021 at 09:05 AM. |
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03-05-2021, 09:26 AM | #10449 | |||
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03-05-2021, 09:39 AM | #10450 | ||
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Ya, I didn't think we had any restrictions with Costa Rica that would prevent him coming or going. Or is there one between Costa Rica and US? Sorry, just trying to help.
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03-05-2021, 09:48 AM | #10451 | ||
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No need to apologise mate i wasn't having a shot 😀
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03-05-2021, 11:15 AM | #10452 | |||
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I am still astounded that people are upset about the temporary .....temporary closing of returnees from India. If you take New Zealand out, India is the most common country to return from. (670 in Feb versus 600 for UK and 490 from US) https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/in...sident-returns India expats would more likely than not have family to reside with, (i have literally hundreds of contractors at work that regularly return to the sub continent for family reasons every year) versus more self sustained people who have work contracts in the UK and USA, this plus I am way more comfortable that there was a lot more control with those two countries returnees at their peak issues than what is currently happening in India. It should be reopened as soon as we know the full scope of what is happening and can decide if that is manageable for our quarantine system, anything else would be irresponsible.
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03-05-2021, 11:21 AM | #10453 | ||
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT May 2nd, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 49 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.051% but 35 of those cases are an adjustment to previous data. 5 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.993% and active cases 24. The UK had a lower 1,671 cases yesterday and 14 deaths. Just under 46k new cases in the USA yesterday and 707 deaths sees CMR at 1.782%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: (weekend reporting) Global cases pass 153M, the last 1M in 2 days; Maldives (508); Sri Lanka (1,891); and Nepal (7,137) - the previous high on 21/10/20 ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average and no countries drop below.
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03-05-2021, 05:38 PM | #10454 | ||
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I don't mind making exceptions on compassionate grounds to returning travellers.
But cricketers touring to make a few bucks? Not on your bloody life....let 'em sit it out there.
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03-05-2021, 09:05 PM | #10455 | ||
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NZ will soon have a 2 way bubble with some of the surrounding Pacific Islands.
I know we had some discussion about the same but was anything made official like NZ? Any country NZ enters into agreement with must automatically be included in our travel agreements by default seeing as both populations will mix in NZ anyway. Same with us and Singapore - apparently the next bubble. However Singapore is in talks with Hong Kong to make their own bubble, which means as soon as that happens with Singapore, and we get the bubble underway with Singapore then we should also be allowed to go to Hong Kong directly. I'm hoping that more travel agreements come into place soon... I'm itching to spend some time back in Asia.
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04-05-2021, 01:13 AM | #10456 | |||
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04-05-2021, 09:46 AM | #10457 | ||
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Well this is different....could have saved some time by just looking at whats happening in other parts of the world.
England holds experimental music festival to test whether such events spread COVID-19 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-...read/100111524 "Around 5,000 people ditched face coverings and social distancing rules in the name of science and music. They attended the outdoor event having tested negative for COVID-19, and promised to get themselves tested again five days after the festival. Their data will be used by the government's Events Research Programme to help understand the effect of crowds on the spread of the virus." |
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04-05-2021, 10:49 AM | #10458 | ||
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT May 3rd, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 12 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 3.050%. 2 new cases and 0 deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.992% and active cases 25. The UK had a lower 1,649 cases yesterday and only 1 death. Just under 41k new cases in the USA yesterday and 321 deaths sees CMR at 1.781%. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Global cases pass 154M, the last 1M in 2 days; India passes 20M cases; Maldives (585); Sri Lanka (1,923); and Nepal (7,388) ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. No countries move above the 90th percentile for their 10 day average while France and Bangladesh drop below.
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04-05-2021, 11:16 AM | #10459 | ||
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Wow....! They just eased some restrictions back on 12 April, like allowing non essential retail to open. Now will be about the end of that incubation period, if numbers keep dropping and no more deaths, that is a big success for the vaccination roll out.
This needs to be publicised more to get immunisation rates up. |
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04-05-2021, 11:57 AM | #10460 | |||
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It all seems a bit too good to be true.
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04-05-2021, 12:32 PM | #10461 | |||
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https://www.service.vic.gov.au/servi...er-permit/home We just did a return trip and I completely forgot until I read this post. No matter, as there was no-one checking at Tullamarine. Last edited by FairmontGS; 04-05-2021 at 12:49 PM. |
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04-05-2021, 01:09 PM | #10462 | |||
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From 2015: Disclaimer: I'm a bit of a bojo fan so call me bias. Was a fantastic major for London when I was living there. UK in the beginning were accused of under counting, then they came up with that ridiculous generic method and was accused of over counting, not sure how they are doing it now. The trend is really positive. There are enough critics in the media to keep them honest. |
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04-05-2021, 01:14 PM | #10463 | |||
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Australia has done well containing Covid outbreaks compared to other countries. There are many reasons for that. One of the reasons is the public’s willingness to get onboard with all the public health measures. It would help if those measure where consistent and uniform across the country. I believe that has been mentioned before....
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04-05-2021, 01:23 PM | #10464 | |||
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04-05-2021, 02:21 PM | #10465 | |||
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Granted they have travel records but still, as work horse said this is where that covid app should be being used and have the ability to scan QR's etc...that way there would have been less bitching about the app in the first place and it would have actually been useful! Link the bugger to your medicare number and get the tin foil hats at the ready. Ah well, maybe next pandemic we can give it a go.
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04-05-2021, 02:50 PM | #10466 | |||
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04-05-2021, 04:11 PM | #10467 | ||
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I wonder how much of whats happened in the last couple of days has changed the course of thinking? Anyway...kudos for having some common sense and at least considering it.
PM considers Victorian quarantine proposal https://www.theage.com.au/national/p...04-p57osz.html |
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04-05-2021, 06:08 PM | #10468 | |||
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Michael Slater calls India travel ban a 'disgrace', as Australians face jail time for returning home Quote:
It's a bloody disgrace alright! Mr 'what have I missed' almost f'd up the Covid-19 pandemic within Australia, f'd up the quarantine arrangements for returning Australian's, f'd up the vaccination roll out, and now wants to put Australians in jail for trying to come home!?? He's on a roll! |
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04-05-2021, 06:20 PM | #10469 | ||
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slater the cock head was chasing his $$$ in some covid fermenting third world **** hole
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04-05-2021, 08:13 PM | #10470 | ||
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Who wants to play spot the rednecks of AFF?
When you consider (just even in the last 12 months or so) how the Indian Sikh community has lent a helping hand to fellow Australians after the devastating bushfires, during our lockdowns, Covid-19 impacted residents, etc, etc, pretty much anyone in hardship or in need.., to call these people a product of a "third world **** hole", you are an absolute f***ing disgrace. https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...18-p55d9a.html https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sikh-gro...led-as-legends https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...-need-c-753336 https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbour...singh/12482508 Bet you any money the poster above (and his mates) have not done a single thing, or anywhere near what the Indian community have done to help fellow Australians, particularly in the last year or so. Couldn't even bother to lift a f***ing finger to help a fellow Australian. Yet, they're quick to hit the 'Thanks' button to an defamatory comment. Last edited by Tickford.; 04-05-2021 at 08:19 PM. |
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